My Bow build (lvl 64) and story (I own ^^)

liquidsmooth · Post by **liquidsmooth** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:02 pm

If you wanted to know the build, sorry, Blame De_realist. I wont' be posting in this topic again.

Tasdik · Post by **Tasdik** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:37 pm

Yah I hear alot of people are comming across great bow builds i think i might try your build only i'm on venice :roll:

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:24 pm

Str Hybrid Bower FTW!

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:14 pm

so we've finally found the true bow build.

nice.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:56 pm

that s good to see someone succesfull with bow while almost every1 s going fire/glaive or light/spear

i m building my char as pure str fire with bow and here s my question:
is it really important to get a soX weapon because almost every high lvl i saw holds a soX weapon. should i go grind or use my time to do "buy cheap, sell higher" job (btw im good at it

) to obtain a soX bow ?
can u elaborate on ur weapon work pls, thanks

dark_killer · Post by **dark_killer** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:16 pm

i was wondering with your 9 gap that you have right now, whats the percent that you are getting, when you kill a monster?

Waisha · Post by **Waisha** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:36 pm

@ the topicstarter:
try pressing enter after every sentence u write. its impossible to read that packed text.

jdoex · Post by **jdoex** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:45 pm

Dont wanna rain on your parade, but the _one_ big reason you did well is your gear. Just looking at your balance tells all: 96% x 64%. The sum is near max balance achievable. Basically you have tons of alchemy and so thats why you did well.
Remember, gear is king in this game...not build.

liquidsmooth · Post by **liquidsmooth** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:02 pm

If you wanted to know the build, sorry, Blame De_realist. I wont' be posting in this topic again.

Da_Realest · Post by **Da_Realest** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:59 pm

You shouldn't be shocked at how well you was doing at 5x. The majority of players are unfarmed with most of their force masteries in the high 3x or low 4x. You say only one piece of sos. Most players never had an sos and will never get one. The amount of str on your gear is average but the amount of int is near perfect. Anyway, nice that you found a fun bow build and nice that you had such good luck to only need tabs from your monkey to achieve such a balance.

liquidsmooth · Post by **liquidsmooth** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:11 pm

If you wanted to know the build, sorry, Blame De_realist. I wont' be posting in this topic again.

:.:.: · Post by **:.:.:** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:31 am

its pretty stupid to make conclusions in the lvl 5x-6x
at 5x the last book of imbue had more damage than my nukes...
bladers only get they pvp skills at 63 and 69
glaivers only start to own when they get sss and mars
nukers only do well when they complete the farm
cuz nuker=damage and damage=maxed skills.
so u cant see a build until u are 80 full farmed against anohter 80 full farmed

TwelveEleven · Post by **TwelveEleven** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:28 am

Yes that's so true, i'm doing a Full str Build archer right now! It's only lvl 16 now. But i'm farming anyways. Still gotta get me that sos bow lvl 16, for 3m -.-'

They're all 5+m and i don't have that much money

.
I'm on Alexander btw. And the people i see stalling have gotten their sos bows there for weeks...

Anyways i'm gonna see how this build works, i hear it's a great one.
My old guild leader on Rome was a full str bower, and he pretty much "pwnt" any other builds on his lvl and up. (that was in the lvl 5x~6x too) so i'm not drawing conclusions about lvl 70~80 yet.

But i know i love the lvl 52 and 62 bow

. And i like the fact that you can kill people that are running away.

Anways that was for my first post. Hope my sig and ava work fine.

Temptation · Post by **Temptation** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:55 am

Did you 0 gap to 43 or something?

liquidsmooth · Post by **liquidsmooth** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:02 am

If you wanted to know the build, sorry, Blame De_realist. I wont' be posting in this topic again.

Morlaf · Post by **Morlaf** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:08 am

I would not have given out my build like this lol

:.:.: · Post by **:.:.:** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:25 am

liquidsmooth wrote:
:.:.: wrote:its pretty stupid to make conclusions in the lvl 5x-6x
at 5x the last book of imbue had more damage than my nukes...
bladers only get they pvp skills at 63 and 69
glaivers only start to own when they get sss and mars
nukers only do well when they complete the farm
cuz nuker=damage and damage=maxed skills.
so u cant see a build until u are 80 full farmed against anohter 80 full farmed

So what are you saying, you need speical help later in the game to stay afloat? Haha that's the kinda of cr@p you nukers and tanker spew when I whip the floor with you, "oh this and that...."

i said to u wait till others get they pvp moves so u can say u build is good
at lvl 70+a glaiver will eat any bower for breakfast
good luck tryn to kill a blader that will kd before u laucnh u crap bow slow moves with they 100 crit on shield and iron wall
or a glaiver with 21k of life stunning and doind 5k in a crit with mars
while u can do what to stop they moves? run to the safe zone, lol.
rolf u fight glaivers without sss, lol what a joke.

jdoex · Post by **jdoex** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:48 am

i said to u wait till others get they pvp moves so u can say u build is good
at lvl 70+a glaiver will eat any bower for breakfast
good luck tryn to kill a blader that will kd before u laucnh u crap bow slow moves with they 100 crit on shield and iron wall
or a glaiver with 21k of life stunning and doind 5k in a crit with mars
while u can do what to stop they moves? run to the safe zone, lol.
rolf u fight glaivers without sss, lol what a joke.

You don't have to be so pessimistic about it ... geez. You don't think bow skills just stop at level 50 don't you? They get devil arrow at 69...etc

(1) As a bower, you don't run to the safe zone, you just run while your enemy tries to get within melee range. An archer's greatest advantage is range and that's what they should take advantage of.

(2) How often are you gonna find a player with a shield w/ 100 crit or a glaiver with 21k hp? As a full str or near full str health you can easily pot away 5k of crit.

(3) If it makes any difference, 1v1 pvp are pretty meh. Group fights are where each class can show their strengths.

Oh and for the OP, I forgot to say earlier, congrats on your build and gear. It looks really sweet.

Da_Realest · Post by **Da_Realest** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:15 am

:.:.: is pretty much right except I'm not so sure about that diction wise. Bladers aren't really strong until they get double stab. Glaivers are even better when they get mars so now they have 2 skills that can stun you and 2 that can knock you back. Nukers aren't really a threat until they are farmed. A fully farmed nuker in armor can be very lethal. I believe 80 vs 80 are pot fights though. The only str build that can consistently at 80 is a glaiver.

jdoex wrote:(1) As a bower, you don't run to the safe zone, you just run while your enemy tries to get within melee range. An archer's greatest advantage is range and that's what they should take advantage of.

I agree.

jdoex wrote:2) How often are you gonna find a player with a shield w/ 100 crit or a glaiver with 21k hp? As a full str or near full str health you can easily pot away 5k of crit.

If the most damaging build, a spear nuker, has trouble bringing down a level 80 glaiver then how can any other str build even hope to killing one? From what I seen level 80 glaivers do about 5k to 6k with a normal hits from mars. About 7-9k on a critical.

jdoex wrote:(3) If it makes any difference, 1v1 pvp are pretty meh. Group fights are where each class can show their strengths.

True, but unless you're fighting with friends or guild members no one is going to bother and go and save the archer.

jdoex wrote:Oh and for the OP, I forgot to say earlier, congrats on your build and gear. It looks really sweet.

Yea, liquidsmooth does has a nice build.

LadyB · Post by **LadyB** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:44 am

i dont get it, so whats the bow build you got? hybrid str or 70:70?!?!

IguanaRampage · Post by **IguanaRampage** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:57 am

Hybrid str, OP seems to think it is similar to 70:70, which should be clarified that it is not.
This may well be an ok bow build, but tbh you have all 3 offensive forces and wep mastery maxed
Most people who have this own. For example, 90D in venice (when he played) was int hybrid spear with all 3 offensive forces and masteries at 61. Even with masteries at 61 he managed to beat lvl 70 sword nukers (at lvl 68 ) and he beat bladers his lvl close to 100% of the time. The only people I ever saw him lose / knew he loses to are Elite (70 pure str glaive sos +7 glaive and full sos garms), Anh_Thu (70 pure str glaive sos +7 glaive and full sos garms), and nubx (lvl 70 fully farmed int sword, maxed str and stamina on all equipment, not to mention a lot of sos and good alchemy). All these people were fully farmed. So why was he so good?

1)Skills

2)SOS Spear +5, fully pimped. 100 BR, full str and int, etc.etc. Never seen anything like it since.

3)Frost Immunity

4)All 3 offensive forces and heuskal

5)Skills

With 80 cap u cant max out 4 masteries though

liquidsmooth · Post by **liquidsmooth** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:26 am

If you wanted to know the build, sorry, Blame De_realist. I wont' be posting in this topic again.

BOEE · Post by **BOEE** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:51 am

liquidsmooth wrote:kk last comments before I goto bed for the evening. As a high level bower I may not have stun or any of that but I will have Frost Nova Storm and Cold wave-Shackle. And also a nice move as a bower if soembody wants to be gay and keep stunning me, I put my 2,3,4 arrow combos in a row (all pretty close to 0 line) and hit them with ice attached to the arrows... I keep people a block of ice if that's how they want to go about it. Then I slowly start easing into anti bow series, coupled with a high crit bow it starts to do some dmg.
Right now i'm maxed all skills to 55 in cold, fire, lighting and pacheon except for the lighting imbue. I plan on going to 80pach-70cold-80fire-60light and that will leave me a few masterys for the update ^^ And if the update to 90 has some really cool things i'm just going to keep backing down lighting and uping pacheon and fire.

In all probability this unique build has a very high likely-hood to turn out uber awesome with a side of leet cakes. With that being said I could of never come to this realization without the 70:70 bow thread. Maybe this will lead to something better, although I highly doubt it, ha ha! :)

~Best wishes and I hope this helps some people out. If there's some good posts for the morning I'll be sure to respond.

But don't a archer need the light tree why are you delvling it??

Waisha · Post by **Waisha** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:11 pm

@ the topicstarter:
wow wow wow. that wasnt a flame, i read it now and i liked it. just wanted to give u a tip. but im sorry. :oops:

/suicide

ziddy1232 · Post by **ziddy1232** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:43 pm

*Skips all posts after seeing name*

Thanks for ks'ing my champion Yeti with your lvl 64 bow.

I think you can all come to your own conclusion at what im getting at. :roll:

:.:.: · Post by **:.:.:** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:03 pm

liquidsmooth wrote:kk last comments before I goto bed for the evening. As a high level bower I may not have stun or any of that but I will have Frost Nova Storm and Cold wave-Shackle. And also a nice move as a bower if soembody wants to be gay and keep stunning me, I put my 2,3,4 arrow combos in a row (all pretty close to 0 line) and hit them with ice attached to the arrows... I keep people a block of ice if that's how they want to go about it. Then I slowly start easing into anti bow series, coupled with a high crit bow it starts to do some dmg.
Right now i'm maxed all skills to 55 in cold, fire, lighting and pacheon except for the lighting imbue. I plan on going to 80pach-70cold-80fire-60light and that will leave me a few masterys for the update ^^ And if the update to 90 has some really cool things i'm just going to keep backing down lighting and uping pacheon and fire.

ato 80 everyone is ice immune so all that wont work
one more reason to wait till cap to see if the build is good or bad.
as a bower u dont have ANY skill that will make the player dont hit u, u will take ALL the damage he gives to u, the only thing u can do is run, and ucant attack while running, so when u run to take the "advantage" u enemy will drink a x-large pot every 0,5 secs.

Dont get me wrong, bow was my first char back in december 05, but in each update joymax gimped the bow, u can see in all other games the ranged class have to kill the enemy before he get close to u, joymax wanted to do the same here, thats why bow have +attak rating and critical buffs, joymax thought the bowers could kill a player with 3 skills doing the max damage possible in each and with at least one critical, they just forgot the part that glaivers have 21k hp bladers will block/ironwall/ghostphantom to u face before u send u first skill.

liquidsmooth · Post by **liquidsmooth** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:01 pm

If you wanted to know the build, sorry, Blame De_realist. I wont' be posting in this topic again.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:10 pm

So.
What are u going to do till lvl cap 140?

glavie · Post by **glavie** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:19 pm

Thanks smooth. I get tired of people badmouthing bow cause theirs sucked, or they can kill a few on their server.

Maybe up to LVL 64 bows rock and after they suck, but I doubt.

When your done farming and you start lvling give us another update
:wink:

:.:.: · Post by **:.:.:** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:21 pm

liquidsmooth wrote:
BOEE wrote:quote] But don't a archer need the light tree why are you delvling it??
I am not going to. When the new gap comes out there not going to inc. masterys. If there are some nice damaging skills i'd rather get those. And to be able to afford them mastery wise i'd have to back down lighting, since it's has the least value to me.

:.:.: wrote:
liquidsmooth wrote:

ato 80 everyone is ice immune so all that wont work
one more reason to wait till cap to see if the build is good or bad.
as a bower u dont have ANY skill that will make the player dont hit u, u will take ALL the damage he gives to u, the only thing u can do is run, and ucant attack while running, so when u run to take the "advantage" u enemy will drink a x-large pot every 0,5 secs.

Dont get me wrong, bow was my first char back in december 05, but in each update joymax gimped the bow, u can see in all other games the ranged class have to kill the enemy before he get close to u, joymax wanted to do the same here, thats why bow have +attak rating and critical buffs, joymax thought the bowers could kill a player with 3 skills doing the max damage possible in each and with at least one critical, they just forgot the part that glaivers have 21k hp bladers will block/ironwall/ghostphantom to u face before u send u first skill.

You can be level eight million five hundred and fortey two bajallion and your not immune to cold/fire. You still need all the costly alchemy for that, and not everybody by far has it. You again assuming by level 80 that I won't be able to kill something before it gets to me which is reasonable but not a fact. Right now 60-61 monsters I crit 1 hit (with anti devil not even my strongest skill strong vision). I'm still level 64 with a 9 gap. I'm pretty sure if I closed gap to 0 I could go and 1 hit crit 66 monsters. I'm trying not to sound like this is an all mighty build and I by all concerns just stumbled on it, but the only flaws anybody can point out thus far is that I don't have stun and people generalize that I don't get any new skills where every other class gets nice skills in the 80s. We'll just have to see.

lol cmon
i spend 10k to be ice imune
any lvl 80 will be imune to ice.