INT archer...why not?

[ocheagle]

I have heard some say that you should never choose bow for a pure INT character. My thought is this...a pure INT will have such low HP and phys. defense, wouldn't be best for a character like this to attack from a distance and avoid the phys contact as much as possible? Are there other factors I should be considering here?

[Jabo]

best archers are the INT Hybrid, because you need some HP at high levels, but you need to attack a lot while the monster is running to you

[Dempster]

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 775#228775

i realize you didn't say "hybrid" but in the end its the same thing.

[Stress]

Int and bow dont belong together. Come on.... bows rely on good crits. int chars dont have good crits, so pure STR is reccomended. Dont even think about a hybrid. Hybrid bows are bad, VERY BAD.

[Nin]

distance doesnt really mean much anymore, firstly, ALL other books have ranged attacks, secondly, when your pvping, it would take like maybe a second tops for someone to reach you, and without the extremely overpowered attacks your screwed once a pure str gets a hit on you. Bows are good as pure str, since when your fighting a nuker, the moment you start you better damn well know that there gonna nuke you first off. with a pure str bow, you can get some decently high hits pretty quick, espeicaly when combined with frost nova which will usually work, im sure at least some of you know to keep some pills with you, then ice is useless, just make sure after your frozen to double click on the opponent. Now, the reason this wont work for a pure int, pure ints have very low health, and most nukers can kill a int with 1-2 hits. i mean sure, you first throw a nuke, then after that is basicly a meelee fight, and and ill tell ya something right now, after a nuke hits you, and a int with a spear hits you, your dead. when its int vs int is more of getting as much damage crammed in there as hard as you can, cause the lack of power from the bow just doesn't mix well with a pure int.

[canakin]

pure int sword/shield= extra defence
pure int spear = extra damage extra hp
pure int bow = nothing but low crits while archers are all about crits..
and when it comes to distance a nuker will use ranged attacks by its nature it isnt worth sacrifying advanteges of s/s or spear for distance attacks of bow which will be weak for an int

[Hunter_Orion]

Int and bow dont belong together. Come on.... bows rely on good crits. int chars dont have good crits, so pure STR is reccomended. Dont even think about a hybrid. Hybrid bows are bad, VERY BAD.

+1

[LadyB]

do whatever you want. there is no such thing as a "useless build". all builds are strong in 1 way with a weakness in the other. people who are saying all this stuff probably havent made a fully farmed pure int bower at lv 70. they are just looking at what other people say, think they are cool and agree with them.

[Ell]

best archers are the INT Hybrid, because you need some HP at high levels, but you need to attack a lot while the monster is running to you

-1
Why not just nuke people? Have you ever tried an INT hybrid archer?

[user]

best archers are the INT Hybrid, because you need some HP at high levels, but you need to attack a lot while the monster is running to you

-1
Why not just nuke people? Have you ever tried an INT hybrid archer?

since bow is not an INT wpn, why u want to nuke w/ it?

[LadyB]

best archers are the INT Hybrid, because you need some HP at high levels, but you need to attack a lot while the monster is running to you

-1
Why not just nuke people? Have you ever tried an INT hybrid archer?

since bow is not an INT wpn, why u want to nuke w/ it?

user. i dont think you should start to even talk dude. BOWS have more magical damage THAN SWORD, lower than SPEAR. but more than SWORD. so they CAN nuke and do everything a regular nuker is. the only weakness is they dont havea shield like a sword does so they cant. quit criticizing builds and if you do, MAKE ONE FOR YOURSELF, SHOW ME A PIC OF YOU THAT LEVEL, PURE INT LV 70. and then ill believe you.

[Kitty]

I recommened the tried and true STR archer. There is no clear evidence of an int hybrid archer "owning".

S+S has block. Spear has high damage. Bow has nothing going for it.

[Stallowned]

Most people who are even replying in this thread are probably below level 40 and have no experience whatsoever.

While int based builds may not be the best for bow, if played carefully they can be pretty decent. The multi hit (and very fast) hit combo can be very deadly when timed correctly with other skills. Int/int hybrid bow is one of the if not the only build that actually requires thought put into it and some strategy when pvping, not just spam of knockdown/stab+stab or soul spear/ghost spear or whatnot.

Edit- like others have said the main disadvantage of a bow is that unlike a sword/blade where you have the knockdown + block and a spear/glavie where you have stun and knockback, there is nothing that will save your life as a bow, it is just you up against the other weapon with nothing inbetween.

[LadyB]

Most people who are even replying in this thread are probably below level 40 and have no experience whatsoever.

While int based builds may not be the best for bow, if played carefully they can be pretty decent. The multi hit (and very fast) hit combo can be very deadly when timed correctly with other skills. Int/int hybrid bow is one of the if not the only build that actually requires thought put into it and some strategy when pvping, not just spam of knockdown/stab+stab or soul spear/ghost spear or whatnot.

Edit- like others have said the main disadvantage of a bow is that unlike a sword/blade where you have the knockdown + block and a spear/glavie where you have stun and knockback, there is nothing that will save your life as a bow, it is just you up against the other weapon with nothing inbetween.

that may be true. but that doesnt make it a useless build. people can still try and make that build and could turn out great. there are 2 pure int bowers i know of in olympus and they turned out pretty good. BBAutoAim_2 and ezaycheese.

[Stallowned]

Most people who are even replying in this thread are probably below level 40 and have no experience whatsoever.

While int based builds may not be the best for bow, if played carefully they can be pretty decent. The multi hit (and very fast) hit combo can be very deadly when timed correctly with other skills. Int/int hybrid bow is one of the if not the only build that actually requires thought put into it and some strategy when pvping, not just spam of knockdown/stab+stab or soul spear/ghost spear or whatnot.

Edit- like others have said the main disadvantage of a bow is that unlike a sword/blade where you have the knockdown + block and a spear/glavie where you have stun and knockback, there is nothing that will save your life as a bow, it is just you up against the other weapon with nothing inbetween.

that may be true. but that doesnt make it a useless build. people can still try and make that build and could turn out great. there are 2 pure int bowers i know of in olympus and they turned out pretty good. BBAutoAim_2 and ezaycheese.

Why are you but-ing me?
Where do you see me saying anything that suggests I think it's a useless build.
I thought it got my point across

[IguanaRampage]

I agree that INTs need something to save themselves---KD, KB, Stun.
INT sword has defense, KD, and block.
INT spear has attack, stun, and KB
INT bow has crits that make nearly no difference...
Logically, the build really doesn't make much sense. A str bow can be very good, and maybe even a str hybrid, but I am not a fan of INT bows, having tried one (well, in the days before autopot )
Any build can be good when played with skill, but I would go for a str hybrid anything before an INT-based bow personally.

[user]

user. i dont think you should start to even talk dude. BOWS have more magical damage THAN SWORD, lower than SPEAR. but more than SWORD. so they CAN nuke and do everything a regular nuker is. the only weakness is they dont havea shield like a sword does so they cant. quit criticizing builds and if you do, MAKE ONE FOR YOURSELF, SHOW ME A PIC OF YOU THAT LEVEL, PURE INT LV 70. and then ill believe you.

Although I may not like what you said about me, but I will respect your opinion.

Of course the blade should have lower magical damage than the bow. If you use sword, you would pretty much expect lower damage compared to two-handed weapons due to common sense; if not, swordsman would be rigged due to the fact they have extra defence and high damage. Having high damage is useless when you are facing down on the road, otherwise why people would create INT-heavy hybrids.

Winston Churchill once said during a heated argument: "Increase your validity of your argument, not your voice."

[Ell]

best archers are the INT Hybrid, because you need some HP at high levels, but you need to attack a lot while the monster is running to you

-1
Why not just nuke people? Have you ever tried an INT hybrid archer?

since bow is not an INT wpn, why u want to nuke w/ it?

Thats my whole point to Jabo saying why bother to go for bow when you can already deal a lot of ranged magical damage as a nuker. Why not just get spear for more damage or sword/shield for more defense. Read the post...

[LadyB]

best archers are the INT Hybrid, because you need some HP at high levels, but you need to attack a lot while the monster is running to you

-1
Why not just nuke people? Have you ever tried an INT hybrid archer?

since bow is not an INT wpn, why u want to nuke w/ it?

Thats my whole point to Jabo saying why bother to go for bow when you can already deal a lot of ranged magical damage as a nuker. Why not just get spear for more damage or sword/shield for more defense. Read the post...

again. i will say, it depends on how you play your character.

[senapanaga]

Winston Churchill once said during a heated argument: "Increase your validity of your argument, not your voice."

your english is atrocious.


Anyway, I like the 80:80 balances build for bow.

:]


or more str than int.

I wouldnt really make an int bow... cuz nukes are ranged attacks, your bow is a ranged weapon, you dont need the nukes. And so what if you did good dmg with the nukes, you dont have stun, knockback, knockdown, or block, to save you. Nukes dont crit so ya...

I just wouldnt make an int or int hybrid bow.

Str or Str hybrid me thinks.

-edit-

btw i would not reccomend STR hybrid for any other weapon, even though weve all seen some Ksro'ers do str hybrid spears, we also saw those Str hybrid spear lose .

The reason i think str hybrid is do-able for a bow is cuz if you are intelligent youll know not to sit there and let your opponent hit you. But then again if you plan your build for 1v1 you will be sorely dissapointed no matter what. Sure there are 1v1's every now and again but, all guild wars and job wars are definitely not 1v1.

I think the 80:80 balances (or more) is a good build for a bow, cuz you can stand away form the heat of the battle, if a nuker nukes you you have decent hp and high mag def so it wouldnt really do much dmg, and if a str comes after you (since you should be wearing protector anyway cuz youre a hybrid = you need hybrid gear) they probably wouldnt do amazing dmg either. So your defenses will be very good ^^.

You gotta fight, run, see what hurts your enemy the most, then use it to your advantage. If your enemy isnt carrying pills use nova wind or if you have it, ice imbue, then they will die easily.

If youre enemy seems to be hurt alot by your crits then use anti-devil alot, The main thing is that you should never use SB in pvp, unless its for fun and youre fighting someone lower lvl or you just want to mess around. But in a serious PvP SB is probably the worst move you can use.

well im gonna go now... -_-"

bye.

[bambskiii]

I think you got some good replies here, sena, good going with ur paint sig, very stylish;)

[senapanaga]

thanks lol, did you read my edit? I changed some of my ideas.

I really do think 80:80 balances are the best for a bow. And if you max all int and str and everything on your gear (like everyone at the cap always does anyway) maybe you could get higher than 80:80, but idk so dont take my word for it. My highest lvl was only 64, plus i didnt have the chance to really do much alchemy, so im not sure how much you can beef up your balances.


But since its all about gear anyway then ya. 80:80 bower in maxed protector with a good bow would probably fare well in most pvp situations. just my opinion though, which is why im making one.



^_^

[user]

Winston Churchill once said during a heated argument: "Increase your validity of your argument, not your voice."

your english is atrocious.

How would you rephrase my sentence then?

[Stallowned]

Winston Churchill once said during a heated argument: "Increase the validity of your argument, not your voice."

your english is atrocious.

How would you rephrase my sentence then?

[user]

best archers are the INT Hybrid, because you need some HP at high levels, but you need to attack a lot while the monster is running to you

-1
Why not just nuke people? Have you ever tried an INT hybrid archer?

since bow is not an INT wpn, why u want to nuke w/ it?

Thats my whole point to Jabo saying why bother to go for bow when you can already deal a lot of ranged magical damage as a nuker. Why not just get spear for more damage or sword/shield for more defense. Read the post...

Read the post after me, LadyB counter our points.

[user]

Winston Churchill once said during a heated argument: "Increase the validity of your argument, not your voice."

your english is atrocious.

How would you rephrase my sentence then?

[Stallowned]

Winston Churchill once said during a heated argument: "Increase the validity of your argument, not your voice."

your english is atrocious.

How would you rephrase my sentence then?

Why are you just quoting me without doing anything?

[user]

Winston Churchill once said during a heated argument: "Increase the validity of your argument, not your voice."

your english is atrocious.

How would you rephrase my sentence then?

Why are you just quoting me without doing anything?

Because you quoted me without saying anything.

Edit: Apologize for my mistake, thanks to Ell for pointing out my mistake. A huge thank you to Stallowned for correcting the problem in the quote.

[Ell]

Winston Churchill once said during a heated argument: "Increase the validity of your argument, not your voice."

your english is atrocious.

How would you rephrase my sentence then?

Why are you just quoting me without doing anything?

Because you quoted me without saying anything.

Yes he did >>

[shadowskill]

Winston Churchill once said during a heated argument: "Increase the validity of your argument, not your voice."

your english is atrocious.

How would you rephrase my sentence then?

Why are you just quoting me without doing anything?

Because you quoted me without saying anything.

Yes he did >>

what is point of making this many quote?