[GUIDE] SKILL CASTING TIMES AND DAMAGE!!!!

Post by **Stress** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:33 pm

Disclaimer: the following is based on my PERSONAL observations. Please let me know if I am wrong. Take your time and read this because I think it helps.

Perhaps you have observed that every offensive skill has the following form: DAMAGE followed by a PROCENTAGE.
e.g. Flame wave arrow lv.1: 123~205 (250%). Heaven lion shout lv.1: 126~233 (100%). Everybody can observe that at a specific level (for example 40) the flame wave will do way more damage then the shout. The damage ranges being roughly equal, the conclusion can be drawn, that actual damage has something to do with that procentage. Nothing new so far. I think the procentage after the damage has something to do with the skill’s casting time. Another example: after precise measurements I have determined that the casting time of Strong Bow is precisely 3,5 seconds. The damage of Strong Bow Spirit lv.1 is: 70~95 (350%).
Let’s have a look on Anti Devil Bow – Wave lv.3: the casting time is exactly 2 seconds; damage: 70~95 (200%). So the procentage is consistent with the casting time, but Strong Bow deals more damage then Anti Devil Bow, roughly 1,5 times more. Damages also have to do with parry ratios and I haven’t fount any formula for damage yet, but theoretically, the damage of the skill should be enhanced with the procentage to produce the actual damage. In general: CASTING TIME * 100 = PROCENTAGE AFTER DAMAGE. This applies to all offensive skills. As a conclusion: the longer a skill takes time to execute, the more damage it deals. In addition to that, if you imbue your weapon, the imbue will take effect precisely one second after pressing the key. This is also consistent with the numbers (Extreme Fire Force lv.1: 62~103 (100%) )
There is one more thing that needs to be settled: combos. Soul Spear Soul lv.1 has the following figures: 275~353 (175%). Multiply the procentage by the number of successive shots/hits, divide by 100 and you obtain the casting time of the skill (in this case: 3,5 seconds – it has been verified). Billow chain (5-hit) lv.1: 71~86 (68%). Casting time: (68*5)/100 = 3,4 seconds: measured and proven. If you can come up with a counter-example, please write so I can modify. Hope it helps.

NOTE: don't be too hard at me if i've said something wrong; i'm just a maths freak who's done some easy calculations and measurements.

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:09 pm

sweet thanks for the info

StealMySoda · Post by **StealMySoda** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:51 pm

=) This is good. Hope its right =)

I know many people believed that it is the casting time that is the %, but many people looked down on it as the combos didn't follow the trend, but if your info is correct, then you've settled the dispute =]

Shine · Post by **Shine** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:10 pm

Yes, I sort of agree that % = casting time/damage. But some skills kind of ruin this, but for all others it works. Like the bow skills. Anti Devil Arrow has the same casting time for all 3 books(I believe, I'm not an archer, so, feel free to prove me wrong

) but the % goes higher every book. And then the Arrow combo, it has 50% for each book, but gets slightly longer(again, just by observation, the 4 hit looks longer than the 2 hit). Great work btw.

Post by **Stress** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:12 pm

Yeah, arrow combo is 50 % for each book, but to obtain the real casting time, multiply procentage by number of succesive shots, and divide by 100. The result is: (50 * 4) / 100, consistent with the 2 seconds of casting time. Btw watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNWyysKZpk0. Chain spear dragon in particular. it has: damage 399~514(86%), with 6 succesive hits. Casting time: 86 * 6 / 100 = 5,16 secs with slight after chain cooldown time. Just look at the video and see for yourself. Hope this settles the combo problem.
Btw @Shine, i'm a (former) archer and anti devil cast times grow from 1,5 secs book 1 to 2 secs book 2 and 2,5 secs book 3.

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:46 pm

tiglari51 wrote:Btw @Shine, i'm a (former) archer and anti devil cast times grow from 1,5 secs book 1 to 2 secs book 2 and 2,5 secs book 3.

Yep, each book takes longer to cast than the previous.

Porpoise · Post by **Porpoise** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:03 pm

[EDIT] useless info

(not the guide)

Shine · Post by **Shine** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:48 am

Ok, like I said, I'm not an archer so I'm not upset that I got some info wrong. I guess this proves that % = attack speed. ty for the info

Shimohime · Post by **Shimohime** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:26 am

Hmm, nice observations =)

I knew about the skill %'s, but thanks for the info about the combos.

IguanaRampage · Post by **IguanaRampage** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:30 am

ive had this theory for a while, but the one part where it fails is on the skill devil arrow. The casting time is NOT consistent with the % on this skill from what I have seen.

Post by **Stress** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:19 am

What do you meen by devil arrow?? explosion arrow or anti devil bow?? Explosion arrow CERTAINLY follows the script. As for Anti Devil Bow, there is another discussion. Take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIz6buF-RGg, the guy shooting the anti devil bow is between lv 39 and 42, so is using the second book. If you look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj8KjP_Myyg, in the second part. Guys are using a moon bow, so lvl 64+. They use the third book of the anti devil bow. if you compare the two you can clearly see that the third book takes a bit (aka 0,5 seconds) more to cast then the second book. Hopefully that settles the anti devil bow issue.