White hawk for nukers??

[flexo]

hi all,

i'm a nuker and lately i notice that some nukers use a white hawk
for a higher attack Rating.

Now my question is if it's worth the trouble (of
having to switch to bow everytime you summon it) and the sp.

Will it really make your nukes do a lot more dmg??

[purified]

Dont even get that skill, skill is useless even for STR chars. It wastes mastery levels. Nukes require NO attack rating at all.

[Susanoo]

Actually you are NOT right. Its VERY important for nukers to have a good amount of attack rating. Since Nukers dmg can vary a lot and you want your damage to be on the high side and not the low side. BUT I do not suggest a hawk for a non bow character anyway. With the 'new' alchemy you can get enough attackrating by adding attack rating (strike stones) and trying to get the white attack rating up (focus stones) you should have enough.

[Dempster]

personally i wouldn't spend the sp on it... but it would indeed make a big difference

[imporkchop]

i havent tried it yet but i am planning to invest in it to test. Since nukes have too much of dmg range higher attack rating might help.

and since everything is maxed @ lvl 69..ill probly maybe try it out and im sure we got long time for next cap and i can always delvl it.

From what i am guessin right now....Attack rating wont make u do more dmg BUT it wil make u do more consistent dmg.

[Priam]

Dont even get that skill, skill is useless even for STR chars. It wastes mastery levels. Nukes require NO attack rating at all.

lol @ you.

Attack rating makes you hit the top (or close to) of your nuke damage more often.

Therefore it is usefull. though i wouldn't get it, it makes my masteries messy :/

[LadyB]

you guys are all wrong. nukes do need attack rating but their weapons are able to get that. 100%+ are the best and that can do great amounts of damage.

[IguanaRampage]

doesnt cost that much sp. I would get it.

[hellsharpt]

Dont even get that skill, skill is useless even for STR chars. It wastes mastery levels. Nukes require NO attack rating at all.

Purified that information is incorrect. Everything that increases damage is important. While leveling to the blue hawk would be silly, getting a level or 2 in white costs almost nothing, and in return you'll get some extra damage.

Priam has the definition of AR correct.

[purified]

Wastes precious Mastery levels, useless on my point of the assertion

[Cyndaine]

i think it is quite useful, i have it on my other bow char. and like everyone said, nukers DO need a good attack rating

[Mauler109]

Just level your pacheon skill to 10, you get level 1 hawk, maybe two not sure, and the passive
Not much but could help some.
Again like people before me said, use the alchemy to add AR to your equipment,

My .02

[CaptainJ]

if u are 8d user , just get a couple 10% focus stone ( reset AR) , with 40% AR+ , resetting to higher % = effect from white hawk

[3t3rnal]

lol, white hawk is useless w/ ar alchemy & the ar scrolls

& even w/ ar alchemy & ar scrolls i dont notice much difference

white hawk's a waste (esp. those going for just that lvl 1 or 2 or so), u mite as well get the blue hawk to best effect, =P

[oVerdrive]

Dont even get that skill, skill is useless even for STR chars. It wastes mastery levels. Nukes require NO attack rating at all.

A level 7x who doesn't know this simple stuff? I learned it when I was in my 1x. I smell botter.

Anyway, White Hawk helps, I only got it because I raised my pacheon during SP farming.

[Nave47]

I tried using a Hawk. but I reallised that I don't Need MORE damage(cause i'm a nuker), But I needed MORE HP and I replaced it with Heuksal Passive.

[flexo]

alright thnx all... i'm gonna pass out on the white hawk..

I also noticed that the increase in attackrating is a numer not a percentage..
so at higher lvl's the lvl1 hawk will do not much...

[Slayer007]

it dosnt do crap lol its for a bow build not a nuker who uses spear or s/s

[skandal]

it dosnt do crap lol its for a bow build not a nuker who uses spear or s/s

+1 on ppl who know nothing about the game.

Actually, when i got to 42 i did a little test, and tried to nuke the sht out of some gund powders...the damage variation was somewhere at 500 (2500 to 3000 if i recall). So if you say it doesn't do crap, and it's for a bow build, you're probably as weak as the AR improve ...It is usefull, but ONLY IF U CAN AFFORD THE SP AND MASTERY CONSUMED. Imho, it is usefull until lvl 40 or so,when maybe you can't aford to waste 4M on stones(course that depends on your luck).After that delevel and get AR on your gear instead.

[flexo]

it dosnt do crap lol its for a bow build not a nuker who uses spear or s/s

+1 on ppl who know nothing about the game.

Actually, when i got to 42 i did a little test, and tried to nuke the sht out of some gund powders...the damage variation was somewhere at 500 (2500 to 3000 if i recall). So if you say it doesn't do crap, and it's for a bow build, you're probably as weak as the AR improve ...It is usefull, but ONLY IF U CAN AFFORD THE SP AND MASTERY CONSUMED. Imho, it is usefull until lvl 40 or so,when maybe you can't aford to waste 4M on stones(course that depends on your luck).After that delevel and get AR on your gear instead.

lol listen to what you are saying.. the increase is 500 on a mob like 15lvl's below you.. so imagine what it will be at a player at your lvl.. excactly NOTHING. This topic is from when i was a newbie...(not noob newbie;) ). Now I know.. and it s.ucks...it alright for archers.. but s.ucks for every other build.

[skandal]

lol listen to what you are saying.. the increase is 500 on a mob like 15lvl's below you.. so imagine what it will be at a player at your lvl.. excactly NOTHING

Pfft, yeah I must appologise for being such a noob, after i read your post i just went and tried nuking a guy like 90 times, and i got the exact same dmg every time.wow, how right could you be......

This topic is from when i was a newbie...(not noob newbie;) ).

And not much has changed since, at least that we can all tell. Even now you don't know what attack rating is.

I can't remember saying anything about increase flexo, i said variation(look for it in the dictionary). So higher attack rating means higher chance that your nuke will do a higher damage on somebody. Nukes vary in damage, you know. I didn't say get blue hawk last level, just said maybe it's worth up to lvl 30-40, because after then, AR on your weapon will increase your attack rating far more(AR 20% on my 42+3 sos spear makes an increase compared to blue hawk lvl 1 at least. So yes, I'd rather hit some 200 maybe 300 dmg more, but i wouldnt go through all the sp waste to get a blue hawk. I'd just AR my wep(which i did after all). If what you say is true, then why in hell's name do people get crit 10+ glaives, since it doesn't improve their damage. Only get a "lousy" crit from time to time.Or BR 15+ shields. Because that Crit, or Block can save their life, and there are a lot of people who can testify for that(hell even NPC thiefs coz they have badass BR shields ^_^). This AR increase will save your life enough times by possibly removing the need for an extra skill , it's just not as obvious because there's no message appearing on your screen, as in the case for crit and block. And as an int, i prefer knowing my dmg is somewhere on the higher end of the dmg radius, then beg on my knees please god, please lemmme crit this SST(which would both be the same since int's crits suck )

Later edit : i've decided to do a research and tryied hitting some mobs with my fire nuke(lvl 46, bungs/maongs,both are white to me, lvl 1 flame wave burning + poison fire force, 42+3 sos spear with 61% mag and 128 AR). Result :

bungs : 3445,3609,3002,2843,3101,3608.

maongs: 4239,4239,4035,4173,3972,4239,4066,3962,3672,4071.

bung dmg variation : 3609-2843 ~= 766.
maong dmg variation : 4239 - 3672 ~= 567.

If that is not obvius that you dont know shit about what what you're talking about, what is. Notice that out of 10 hits on maongs, i only hit 3672, while i hit 4239 like 3 times, and 7 out of 10 times the damage was higher than 4k? Maybe that 20% attack rating on my spear helped? I know this figures are not precise, since bungs are higher lvl than maongs, but they are obvious for my cause, so i didn't go for a precise research.

Truth is that bird would su.ck for bladers, since their damage is kinda crappy no matter what , but for an int, if you have the SP and mastery levels to spare, trust me its kinda worth it, up to acertain level, after that it becomes too sp and mastery lvl hungry so then it's the case to stop levelling it.

[alZen]

lol ... lost thread digger ...

[flexo]

lol listen to what you are saying.. the increase is 500 on a mob like 15lvl's below you.. so imagine what it will be at a player at your lvl.. excactly NOTHING

Pfft, yeah I must appologise for being such a noob, after i read your post i just went and tried nuking a guy like 90 times, and i got the exact same dmg every time.wow, how right could you be......

This topic is from when i was a newbie...(not noob newbie;) ).

And not much has changed since, at least that we can all tell. Even now you don't know what attack rating is.

I can't remember saying anything about increase flexo, i said variation(look for it in the dictionary). So higher attack rating means higher chance that your nuke will do a higher damage on somebody. Nukes vary in damage, you know. I didn't say get blue hawk last level, just said maybe it's worth up to lvl 30-40, because after then, AR on your weapon will increase your attack rating far more(AR 20% on my 42+3 sos spear makes an increase compared to blue hawk lvl 1 at least. So yes, I'd rather hit some 200 maybe 300 dmg more, but i wouldnt go through all the sp waste to get a blue hawk. I'd just AR my wep(which i did after all). If what you say is true, then why in hell's name do people get crit 10+ glaives, since it doesn't improve their damage. Only get a "lousy" crit from time to time.Or BR 15+ shields. Because that Crit, or Block can save their life, and there are a lot of people who can testify for that(hell even NPC thiefs coz they have badass BR shields ^_^). This AR increase will save your life enough times by possibly removing the need for an extra skill , it's just not as obvious because there's no message appearing on your screen, as in the case for crit and block. And as an int, i prefer knowing my dmg is somewhere on the higher end of the dmg radius, then beg on my knees please god, please lemmme crit this SST(which would both be the same since int's crits suck )

Later edit : i've decided to do a research and tryied hitting some mobs with my fire nuke(lvl 46, bungs/maongs,both are white to me, lvl 1 flame wave burning + poison fire force, 42+3 sos spear with 61% mag and 128 AR). Result :

bungs : 3445,3609,3002,2843,3101,3608.

maongs: 4239,4239,4035,4173,3972,4239,4066,3962,3672,4071.

bung dmg variation : 3609-2843 ~= 766.
maong dmg variation : 4239 - 3672 ~= 567.

If that is not obvius that you dont know shit about what what you're talking about, what is. Notice that out of 10 hits on maongs, i only hit 3672, while i hit 4239 like 3 times, and 7 out of 10 times the damage was higher than 4k? Maybe that 20% attack rating on my spear helped? I know this figures are not precise, since bungs are higher lvl than maongs, but they are obvious for my cause, so i didn't go for a precise research.

Truth is that bird would su.ck for bladers, since their damage is kinda crappy no matter what , but for an int, if you have the SP and mastery levels to spare, trust me its kinda worth it, up to acertain level, after that it becomes too sp and mastery lvl hungry so then it's the case to stop levelling it.

ROFL d.amn I forgot all about this tread ::D:D

but hey i'll awnser you.. I know the dmg variation on a nuke is big.. especially the light nuke. And variation on a nuke becomming smaller and nuke beingn more on the high end.. doesn't that mean it's dmg increases??? LOL @ you.. really i need to explain everything here....
and I know AR is important for a nuker... But what I also know is that It's not worth lvl'ing a entire tree just for some AR when you can do the same with a stone a.k.a. alchemy.. (in case you don't understand that either)
Yes it will have a higher chance on doing some more , but you can really not compare the dmg increase of AR with the dmg increase of a pure str crit. ... crit dmg increases are insane... where AR dmg increase are only like 300-400....And again.. pure int hardly needs more dmg.. it needs more def so put that SP in heuksal passive (or even cold is better) and forget that pacheon tree (that's the bow or archer one.. ).

So if you wanna come here comparing crit and blocks ... with AR then go somewhere else and spray your noob (= person who thinks they know when they really still have the knowledge of a newbie) statements there.. cause if there is anybody .. that learned nothing over a period almost 6 months (from when this topic was created) then it's obviously you.

final conclusion: AR is worth getttin just not with SP and not that important to a pure int.. as the 400dmg increase is not much to the insane dmg a pure int already does. Go read up somewhere and then try and come convince me otherwise... of better yet.. take another 6 months then come and say that you were noob and that you are sorry. Maybe I will forgive your noobness.

Peace out!!

[shadowman20875]

hawk will help, 10 points in pacheon is NOT worth it at all

[skandal]

God damnit stupid people everywhere.

increase = both high and low end increase. like 400-600 becomes 420-620(for example).

With AR increase you will still hit the bottom line(min damage) plenty of times, just that chances are you will hit more to the higher end of the spectrum. And again, i didnt say level a entire tree(btw basic grammar tells us that before a vowel you put an, not a) to 80, just maybe to 10-12 so you ca get the passive and maybe a white hawk. Unlike you, i can spare 50 skill points for that. And unlike you again, i will have those (500k or what?) to spare when i reach mastery cap so i delevel my lvl 12 pacheon(by then it would have become obsolete anyway).

as the 400dmg increase is not much to the insane dmg a pure int already does.

4000 / 400 = 10, so 400 is 10% out of 4000 right? At my level, the light magic buff is 10% increase. So if i was to listen to you, that buff is useless since i already do that "insane" 4k damage . Trust me, no atter what damage you may do, even with a 8D sosun +9 spear, it is never enough. More damage is welcome anyway. And yeah, int is better to have some better defence, but we're not discussing int's needs here.

And once again, AR, Crit and block work the same fuging way.
AR - substracts adversary's PR to decide the chance that your shot will hit higher rather than lower.
Crit - substracts crit on the shield of the enemy(if he has one) to decide your chances to crit a shot.
Block - substracts BR on the weapon to decide the chance that your shield would block a shot.

Dunno exactly what is the formula for the last 2, but all those 3 work almost the same way. And i never compared the damage a crit does for a str to the variation in damage AR gives a nuker. Just compared the mechanisms. maybe it's time your L33T brain stops hitting a BR 100 shield( like this -> ) whenever it tries to think.

And sorry for digging the thread up, was jus looking through the threads that i posted in when i stumbled across this.[/quote]

[Drake]

between passive and lvl1 buff your nukes will hit closer to you max ranges more consistently but the %increase in damage by usin that 10 mastery to lvl your other mastery you attack with will increase your max attack and thus your att range so use 10 bow when lower for more consistent hits but loose at higher lvls to boost worthwhile masteries

[flexo]

man i was laughing my a.ss off while reading your post.. know that this is the last post i'm spending on this topic as I've stopped trying to convince ppl that start calling names and go personal instead of focussing on the subject. So here it goes.

God damnit stupid people everywhere

increase = both high and low end increase. like 400-600 becomes 420-620(for example).
With AR increase you will still hit the bottom line(min damage) plenty of times, just that chances are you will hit more to the higher end of the spectrum.

you are accually contradicting yourself here. First you say the spectrum moves up and then you say AR makes you hit more on the high end of the spectrum. As far as I know it just makes you do the last.. makes you hit higher up the spectrum. If this is not the case plz someone pm me. (not you skandal i'm done with you after this....pm will be deleted without reading.)

And again, i didnt say level a entire tree(btw basic grammar tells us that before a vowel you put an, not a) to 80, just maybe to 10-12 so you ca get the passive and maybe a white hawk. Unlike you, i can spare 50 skill points for that. And unlike you again, i will have those (500k or what?) to spare when i reach mastery cap so i delevel my lvl 12 pacheon(by then it would have become obsolete anyway).

boooooooooring skipped this part...grammar bitching.. plz STAY TO THE SUBJECT and don't find other things to bitch about that have nothing to do with this.

as the 400dmg increase is not much to the insane dmg a pure int already does.

4000 / 400 = 10, so 400 is 10% out of 4000 right? At my level, the light magic buff is 10% increase. So if i was to listen to you, that buff is useless since i already do that "insane" 4k damage . Trust me, no atter what damage you may do, even with a 8D sosun +9 spear, it is never enough. More damage is welcome anyway.

ok listen up.. i'm not talking of your sad dmg of 4k i'm talking of the 10k+ that higher lvl's do. yes more dmg is always welcome but not when it adds to your total-mastery-level when the cap is already way too low. I wasn't talking about some temporary skills but as a main part of your build.

And yeah, int is better to have some better defence, but we're not discussing int's needs here.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL not discussing ints needs.. let me explain something.

I MADE THIS TOPIC!! if you read my first post you would know that this is about pure int aka nukers and white hawk for them or using the sp for something else like (just gonna call out .. something random here) beter defense. So int is deffenatly the subject here guess you really flunked there :D man this part you really killed me.. took me like 3min to catch my breath LOL @ you

And once again, AR, Crit and block work the same fuging way.
AR - substracts adversary's PR to decide the chance that your shot will hit higher rather than lower.
Crit - substracts crit on the shield of the enemy(if he has one) to decide your chances to crit a shot.
Block - substracts BR on the weapon to decide the chance that your shield would block a shot.

Dunno exactly what is the formula for the last 2, but all those 3 work almost
the same way. And i never compared the damage a crit does for a str to the variation in damage AR gives a nuker. Just compared the mechanisms. maybe it's time your L33T brain stops hitting a BR 100 shield( like this -> ) whenever it tries to think.

And sorry for digging the thread up, was jus looking through the threads that i posted in when i stumbled across this.

bladieblaa bladie blaaat.. bs the whole d.amn piece ..the thing I said that was not the same is not this formula math shit you bring up here.. but the fact that the dmg increase from a crit is not the same as the dmg increase from a white hawk so really this all has nothing to do with anything.. so lot of words that don't really have anything to do with the subject at hand.. Common try to focus here!!



so the big conclusion.. you completely missed the point of this tread. You dug it up from some dark hole all 6month and older treads go too. Don't even want to know what you were doing there.
Then when you found someone not agreeing with you.. you went weak and attacked me personally. Sure sign of ppl not knowing what to say is that they bring in all kinds of stuff that have nothing to do with it. Grammar, me being noob or not, br, crit.. all just subject brought in to lead the attention away from the subject. That might work great on your mom but i've seen this tactics been used many times and many times a lot better too. So go try on someone else, but practice some more first.. okay.. don't want you embarissing(<-for you cause I know you'll love correcting this) yourself again.

So see ya.. reply if you want.. i've turned notification off and won't be back. So really don't care what you think or how you feel. Hope you enjoy getting out all my grammer (just for you again ) mistakes when you are done hang it above your bed then you have something to look to, when you feel you accompliged nothing with your insignificant little life and then you'll know that it's true.

[skandal]

Did not attack you. You felt attacked because, i dunno even why the frax you felt atacked. But i guess if you say so, prolly i did. I did not say aything of the spectrum going up, i was just trying to explain the notion of increase so you can finally get it.

Pffft, when you honey will hit 10k+, the variation will be even higher(about 1k or so, which is still 10% ^_^). I wasn't talking about a main part of the build but simply as a teproary skill.

I MADE THIS TOPIC!! if you read my first post you would know that this is about pure int aka nukers and white hawk for them or using the sp for something else like (just gonna call out .. something random here) beter defense. So int is deffenatly the subject here guess you really flunked there man this part you really killed me.. took me like 3min to catch my breath LOL @ you

W/e. If it is me to say, we misunderstood each other and we're fighting here like dumbas.ses because you felt attacked. You made this topic and asked if white hawk is worth it. I answered but you just wet driving your car into the trees. Already told you, i was not about leveling an entire tree to 80 just to have a blue bird cr.ap on your head ^_^, but with those (maybe 50-100 SP, which you can delevel later anyway), you can prolly upgrade cold(for defence), up to lvl 10 ^^.

So if you wanna come here comparing crit and blocks ... with AR

If you really want to argue on me pls rephrase the above setence.or else you're fighting yourself.

So if you say you turned notification off...w/ethen it means you won'tbe here anymore to flame me just because you hink i attacked you/your build/whatever. Good for us.End of topic.

[SneakyLilBastard]

I say it's worth it only if you can afford it. It's like saying is it worth having a +85% magical sword over a +65% magical sword -- sure, if you can afford it as every little increase helps. Same with enchanted armor, I can keep all my stuff at +3 when +4 only increases the defense a few points, but I'd rather milk everything I can.

Yes, AR stones on a weapon increase attack rating, but that doesn't mean the hawks become worthless all of a sudden because with a hawk, you can still increase it even more. If AR were capped at a certain amount and you reached that cap with just AR stones then yes, it'd be a waste, but hit ratio can go higher and higher, so there's no such thing as it being a waste -- it's all about what you can afford to get with your build. Personally, I use hawks and I have 40% AR increase on my weapons for that extra little oomph.

- N

[borat2]

every single thing that can rise your damage or rise your defense is worth it especially when you are fully farmed.