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PvE only barebones build! What would YOU use?
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:56 am
by Drunk Wex
Just as the title says. I'm wondering what builds others would use to get to level 70 to farm with. Personally I'd use a caster. Using only lightning would give me some great powers, but I have my doubts. Would a lightning only build even be viable?! Keep in mind this is for PvE only! This is what I've come up with and it's pretty freakin' basic.
Required SP: 73,538
Lightning - 70
-- Max all books except for concentration series and the passive series...
That's it. Is that too rediculous to even try?
What type of character would you use if you were targeting 100K SP or less?
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:46 am
by cuchulainn
Pure int lightning only nuker. Maybe 20 into heuksal for a bit of hp and basic weapon skills.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:07 am
by Devotia
I see your 73,538, and raise you 50,448
Lightning imbue
Must Pierce
Grasswalk flow
Lightning nuke both books
Garments for the speed/mp cost reduce.
1-30 using a bow. Once you hit 30 farm only on things that you can OHK, two hit when book 2 rolls around. Only farm on magical mobs after 30. That is, ravine till they're blue, dead ravine till they're blue, white spiders until you can kill shades, then shades till blue, sonars/planars till blue, and then, i guess hope like hell you can survive nachals. You'll probably die a lot, but hey, more daeth = more endgame sp. And at 0 gap, 2% is nothing.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:29 am
by cuchulainn
Devotia wrote:I see your 73,538, and raise you 50,448
Lightning imbue
Must Pierce
Grasswalk flow
Lightning nuke both books
Garments for the speed/mp cost reduce.
1-30 using a bow. Once you hit 30 farm only on things that you can OHK, two hit when book 2 rolls around. Only farm on magical mobs after 30. That is, ravine till they're blue, dead ravine till they're blue, white spiders until you can kill shades, then shades till blue, sonars/planars till blue, and then, i guess hope like hell you can survive nachals. You'll probably die a lot, but hey, more daeth = more endgame sp. And at 0 gap, 2% is nothing.
Nah, just do yetis from 60-66, then move on to nachals.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:27 am
by Drunk Wex
Devotia wrote:I see your 73,538, and raise you 50,448
Lightning imbue
Must Pierce
Grasswalk flow
Lightning nuke both books
Nice. I almost went that route. I've heard lion shout is good for finishing off those mobs that you didn't quite get with your nukes. It's low on my totem pole though. If I'm lacking SP that'll be the last thing leveled.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:42 am
by kitary
bare bone pve build
full int lightning sword in armor
bisheon mastery enuf to take lvl 1 billow chain
lvl 1 billow chain
lvl2 shield block passive
lightning mastery
lightning imbue
lvl1 graswalk flow
must pierse force
lion shouts
lightning nuke
skill combo on mobs , nuke+shout or shout+nuk+ shout or nuke+billowchain depending on your chars gear and the mobs you fight
vs anything bigger than a normal mob nuke+shout + billowchain . repeat
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:31 am
by WindSlicer
Just go fire/lightning nuker. You may run into some sp problems into the 50s (if so, just cut out the fire once you get the second lightning nuke), but at lv 44 I've got 44 fire and 43 lightning (with 20 heuksal and 10 pacheon). I actually did a 1 lvl gap for most of my lvls, so I might have a little more than a 0 gap, but not much more.
You can use your fire nukes with the lionshout finishers (and keep your lightning nuke updated). The fire nuke at 42 will be a blessing b/c you won't get your second lightning nuke til 50. I wouldn't suggest upgrading your fire nuke lv 1 that much because you don't need it lv 9 to get the second fire nuke like most skills.
Note: in order to keep the imbue/nukes/lionshouts/flow pierce buff updated, I didn't have sp for any fire or cold buffs, and my grasswalk kind of lags at lv 7.
Being able to 2 nuke mobs is nice if you want a change and want to hunt red/orange mobs. I think that getting .1 exp per mob with the expense of having to 2-nuke is worth it. (And if you get your hands on a sos weapon, you can get some awesome exp -- I'm getting .08% exp per kill with nuke + lionshout on lv 50 mob)
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:54 am
by kitary
do you even know wat barebone means ??
one of the 1st things you mention is sp problems
thats not wat we want to hear when talking about b a r e b o n e 's
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:55 am
by WindSlicer
kitary wrote:do you even know wat barebone means ??
one of the 1st things you mention is sp problems
thats not wat we want to hear when talking about b a r e b o n e 's
Did you read what I wrote?
Try again.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:58 am
by kitary
yes i read it , its not bare bone , couse you sad your self , you might run into sp problems , barebone builds dont run into sp problems and usualy have a 0 gap
your move
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:27 am
by WindSlicer
The fact is, my build will give him more power and options while running into sp problems can be easily fixed by not worrying about the fire tree.
The main reason to get the fire tree would be because you get the second fire nuke 8 levels before you get your second lightning nuke, and that gap of lvling would go a lot faster with the second fire nuke.
The original poster not only wants barebones, but wants to lvl up quickly I assume. By making room to get the second fire nuke, he could achieve this with a relatively low sp cost.
As I said, if sp became a problem he could easily abandon the tree for later sp farming at 70.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:39 am
by kitary
you 2 hit things with fire nuke + lion shout , or lightning nuke + lion shout
so why #$%#% would we lvl up fire mastery and spend sp on it when we already have lightning mastery and a good enuf nuke to kill mobs with ?? fire mastery is not needed to cap with
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:13 am
by cuchulainn
WindSlicer wrote:The fact is, my build will give him more power and options while running into sp problems can be easily fixed by not worrying about the fire tree.
The main reason to get the fire tree would be because you get the second fire nuke 8 levels before you get your second lightning nuke, and that gap of lvling would go a lot faster with the second fire nuke.
The original poster not only wants barebones, but wants to lvl up quickly I assume. By making room to get the second fire nuke, he could achieve this with a relatively low sp cost.
As I said, if sp became a problem he could easily abandon the tree for later sp farming at 70.
The fact is, all he needs if just light nukes and maybe lionshout to finish off mobs. Once he gets book 2 nuke, he can just chain those to two hit higher mobs. Barebares us just the essentials. You said it yourself that fire wasn't necessary, therefore it isn't barebones.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:41 am
by Vintar
I agree, fastest leveling with lowest SP count is probably to go for heuksal lvl20 - max lightning. Increase heuksal if you can afford it, I don't know exactly how many SP you'll need.
1 lvl in each spear attack skill, after lvl 30 kill mobs with nuke + ghost petal.
You should be able to kill 2-3 mobs at once. Finish with lion shout if necessary

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:21 pm
by Troo
For pure int: Lightning+ (optional) some spare sp in heuksel for the +hp passive
For pure str: *weapon mastery* + fire-10 (10 lvls below your lvl) + 32lightning
Atleast that´s the way I see it.
For pure int it won´t be much of a problem to carry only Lightning, you might only add a little bit in Heuksel for the hp passive..
For pure str.. they need atleast their weapon mastery max, and their main force mastery 5-10 lvls below it (so it won´t cost much sp/mp to use it). Apart from that they also need about 32 lightning to atleast ghost-walk.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:25 pm
by Freedom-Fighta
Nuker, Pure Int (Goal of 90% phys balance, so we'll have SOME str for more HP)
Level 1-70, before farming at level cap.
Fire: 70 ranks, Keep at your level unless you want to SP farm b4 cap for stronger nukes.
Imbue: Maxed
Fire Shield: Book 1 level 1 (Optional)
Fire Nuke: Book 1 level 1, Book 2 Maxed, Book 3 level 1
Lightning: 60 Ranks, dont raise if SP gets tight (at 0 level gap 1-70 u have enough SP for this build, but SP may hit tight spots when you start raising both nukes).
Piercing Force: Book 1 maxed, Book 2 maxed, Book 3 level 1
Grasswalk: Book 1 level 12, Book 2 level 1
Lion Shout: Book 1 maxed, Book 2 level 1
Concentration: Book 1 level 1 (Optional)
Lightning Nuke: Book 1 maxed, Book 2 level 1
Passive: Level 5 (Optional?)
Heuskal Mastery: 20 ranks
Wolf Bite Spear, level 1
Soul Spear Move, level 1
Ghost spear: book1 level 1
Passive: Level 2
After you hit level 70 (if you do), youll want to farm enough for the following:
Fire:
Nuke: Book 3 maxed
Fire Shield: Book 2 maxed (optional, but reccomended)
Lighning: Mastery to rank 70
Piercing Force: Maxed
Grass Walk: Book 2 Maxed, Book 3 Maxed (Choice)
Lion Shout: Book 2 or more maxed
Lighning Nuke: Maxed
Passive: Level 7 (optional, but reccomended)
Heuskal: Mastery level 50-60
Passive: Level 5/6
Im using this build currently, and im planning to do level 60 with 1 rank gap, 62 with 2 rank gap, 63 with 3 rank gap, 64 with 4 rank gap, 65 with 5 rank gap, then ill raise up my Fire Mastery and level up the Fire Nuke book 3, and put remaining points into my Lightning Mastery and nuke book 2. Then ill go 66 with 1 rank, 67 with 2, 68 with 3, 69 with 3 or 4, and 70 with 0.
Note that its not necessary but with only 1 level of the third book fire nuke and 1 level of the second book lightning nuke, you would probably have troubles killing monsters around level 65 without increasing their levels.
Or maybe im wrong in my assumption, but either way the first build is doable with 0 rank mastery gap for the entire game (DONT DO QUESTS!!!111) and the second build levels can be done if you farm at cap for those skills. I dont reccomend PvP past level 61 or so until you have maxed out your fire and lightning nukes as well as Piercing Force.
EDIT:
http://www.silkroadtavern.com/forums/index.php?act=portal&site=8&pick=110
This is the guide i got this build from.
EDIT EDIT: I forgot to mention that you need to register an account to use the forums.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:52 pm
by Drunk Wex
After your guys input my build would have to look something like this:
Bicheon - 20
--
Shield passive + Illusion Chain book 1
Heuskal - 20
--
HP passive
Lightning - 70
--
All maxed except concentration and passive
The character would wear garment and use a sword/shield. The 20 bicheon and heuskal with skills would only raise the SP required by 834. It wouldn't be a shabby farmer at all for only 74,732SP. If for some weird reason you were ever hurting from SP with a 0 gap you could level lion shout last. Without lion shout at all the build would cost 62,618SP. You probably wouldn't run into SP issues though.
It definitely is looking like the best build for a barebones farmer is a lightning nuker. I've toyed with the idea of a bow/ice, but I can't get the SP down low enough. As with all my other builds I want too many skills.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:52 pm
by Troo
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=9878 if you're looking for a way to vieuw the guid without subscribing to tavern
I think going pure lightning is also known as the Korean way, atleast I think. With only adding Lightning Mastery you'll be fine. The idea here is to farm later at the cap to add Fire or/and other mastery's. Why farm at the cap: fastest (?! it's said that farming here goes faster), money, you can actually be usefull in other activities such as jobbing etc.. just incase you get bored.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:54 pm
by WindSlicer
cuchulainn wrote:WindSlicer wrote:The fact is, my build will give him more power and options while running into sp problems can be easily fixed by not worrying about the fire tree.
The main reason to get the fire tree would be because you get the second fire nuke 8 levels before you get your second lightning nuke, and that gap of lvling would go a lot faster with the second fire nuke.
The original poster not only wants barebones, but wants to lvl up quickly I assume. By making room to get the second fire nuke, he could achieve this with a relatively low sp cost.
As I said, if sp became a problem he could easily abandon the tree for later sp farming at 70.
The fact is, all he needs if just light nukes and maybe lionshout to finish off mobs. Once he gets book 2 nuke, he can just chain those to two hit higher mobs. Barebares us just the essentials. You said it yourself that fire wasn't necessary, therefore it isn't barebones.
Wrong. He wanted the best build less than 100k SP.
He won't need to SP farm with the small amount of fire he is adding, so why not?
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:59 pm
by kitary
yeah it seems to be very hard for some ppl to understand the word bare here
or read the part about 100k sp or less
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:28 am
by cuchulainn
WindSlicer wrote:cuchulainn wrote:WindSlicer wrote:The fact is, my build will give him more power and options while running into sp problems can be easily fixed by not worrying about the fire tree.
The main reason to get the fire tree would be because you get the second fire nuke 8 levels before you get your second lightning nuke, and that gap of lvling would go a lot faster with the second fire nuke.
The original poster not only wants barebones, but wants to lvl up quickly I assume. By making room to get the second fire nuke, he could achieve this with a relatively low sp cost.
As I said, if sp became a problem he could easily abandon the tree for later sp farming at 70.
The fact is, all he needs if just light nukes and maybe lionshout to finish off mobs. Once he gets book 2 nuke, he can just chain those to two hit higher mobs. Barebares us just the essentials. You said it yourself that fire wasn't necessary, therefore it isn't barebones.
Wrong. He wanted the best build less than 100k SP.
He won't need to SP farm with the small amount of fire he is adding, so why not?
Easiest is to just 0 gap the whole way with just lightning tree and level 1 weapon skills as a pure int nuker. Then farm your heart out at nachals at the cap. This would work better on one of the more recent servers since caves are crowded on the old ones. The fire is nice, but leveling one mastery zero gap is easiest with lightning.