Whats better at surviving and at damage out put?

[ahmeda0526]

Between a Chinese bow and a Euro Rogue. Rogue will be Rogue/Cleric and bow will be bow fire light since im more of a PvE/group PvP type of person. but which would be a better range choice? and pros and cons of each please

[aishsharma]

I would say that bow has better survivability and rogue has more dmg output

In terms of range: rogue wins

If you want uber crits go rogue

[ahmeda0526]

i thought bow had more crit rate??? lmao dont bow have more crit rate because each skill gives crit points? then rogue just has higher damage on skills. plus chn bow has AoE for plvl and such but rogue is pure 1vs1

[aishsharma]

i thought bow had more crit rate??? lmao dont bow have more crit rate because each skill gives crit points? then rogue just has higher damage on skills. plus chn bow has AoE for plvl and such but rogue is pure 1vs1

alchemy ur weapon...and by uber crits i meant uber high crit dmg. daggers can 1 hit crit most warriors, bows cannot.

Also only 2 bow skills have crit increase, strong bow and anti devil.

if ur 90+ u can use that skill book that shoots 3 bolts at once to 1 hit ongs and such iirc

[ahmeda0526]

oh ok. thanks for the info! onlything i greatly dislike about rogue. is that they have no AoE :/ and the xbow is greatly underpowered compared to daggers

[_Equal_]

oh ok. thanks for the info! onlything i greatly dislike about rogue. is that they have no AoE :/ and the xbow is greatly underpowered compared to daggers

Ugh, just use rapid shot and see how many mobs you get really quickly. It's not the same as a wiz AOE for sure, and not the same as mind bow, but it's getting there.

Xbow isn't overpowering, but I figure the ability to hit someone from longer than bow range makes up for the slight crit reduction. crit 20 max on xbow, 25 on daggers iirc.

[ahmeda0526]

hmm yea that and also a dagger gets all those increase stealth, increase run speed for a short time, extra attack rate, extra poison damage on so on. they should have put all that on xbow also lol

[_Equal_]

hmm yea that and also a dagger gets all those increase stealth, increase run speed for a short time, extra attack rate, extra poison damage on so on. they should have put all that on xbow also lol

yeah, but doesn't scud work if you switch to xbow?

Daggers are OP for sure.

[ahmeda0526]

nope. sadly scud wont work if you equip xbow -_- even though it seems more needed for a range char to need to escape fast lol....

[_Equal_]

nope. sadly scud wont work if you equip xbow -_- even though it seems more needed for a range char to need to escape fast lol....

I mean, switch to daggers, cast scud, switch to xbow, run away.

[ahmeda0526]

true true. but watch you be dead by then xD

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Yeah, likely.

[ahmeda0526]

lol, also another amazingly strong phy char would be Heuskal Pacheon fire. lol reasons is Pacheon for all the passive attack rate plus birds attack rate/phy power if u want, and fire imbue + phy attack% and heuskal damage skills i may try it! lol or u can use pacheon also for fun too

[aishsharma]

lol, also another amazingly strong phy char would be Heuskal Pacheon fire. lol reasons is Pacheon for all the passive attack rate plus birds attack rate/phy power if u want, and fire imbue + phy attack% and heuskal damage skills i may try it! lol or u can use pacheon also for fun too

Oh that build is epic, I played it a lil on ESRO(friend's char) was pretty fun

[ahmeda0526]

lol yep. i always wanted to know does the pacheons attack rate effect a nukes skills? like if i use all that attack rate as an int bow would the attack rate effect the nukes?

[aishsharma]

lol yep. i always wanted to know does the pacheons attack rate effect a nukes skills? like if i use all that attack rate as an int bow would the attack rate effect the nukes?

Ofcourse it would, problem is that as a pure int bow ur nuke dmg would be considerably lower when compared to a sword or a spear nuker.

[ahmeda0526]

nope a bow has more mag power than a sword but less than a spear, just not as much hp as a spear or block rate as a sword, but still alot of high damage from attack rate

[dragonkid]

At 110 cap, bow has more range with strongbow WILL + crit inc.
I have seen bowmen critting self lvl wizz at 30-35k with this.

Rogue does not have back-to-back KB's.

So BOW FTW!

[ahmeda0526]

Are you sure for a fact that at lvl 110 cap that a Bow will outdamage a rogue? because that part is a bit unresolved to me xD idk which to stick with now lmao

[ahmeda0526]

plus even though bow doesnt have KB a rogue has knock down and his damage out put is greater so wouldnt crits in the end do more damage?

[aishsharma]

Uhm all euro's have more damage than their chinese counterpart classes, so if you only want to look at dmg then go euro. IMO you should pick a race/class that agrees with your play style.

Generally, euro classes excel at one thing but don't fare so well at others...

For example, compare the damage between a spear nuker and a wizard. Wizard wins hands down, but nuker has snow and other buffs to help it survive and can even be made hybrid, wiz has none of that and will most commonly be killed easily if it tries to fight any1 1v1

[omier]

plus even though bow doesnt have KB a rogue has knock down and his damage out put is greater so wouldnt crits in the end do more damage?

Wat?

[ahmeda0526]

plus even though bow doesnt have KB a rogue has knock down and his damage out put is greater so wouldnt crits in the end do more damage?

Wat?

i meant rouge not bow xD my bad lol

[omier]

But rogue still has KB, 2 of them.

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yeah, 2 KB attacks plus two KD attacks. Although I think some of them like blast shot and power shot are on the same cooldown.

Plus bow can't switch to daggers.

[aishsharma]

Just to add, bow kb can be used back to back and will be 100% successful while xbow attks may not succeed in either kd or kb.