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Fire Shield Is a % (Proof)
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:45 pm
by cuchulainn
My fire shield:
My Jewelry:
Burn w/o Fire Shield on:
Burn w/ Fire Shield on:
Now the math:
To get the base burn effect, we have to take out the effect of the jewelry
So 132=.87*burn since I have 13% reduction from jewelry, the full unreduced burn effect is given by solving this.
We get burn=151.7= ~152
Now that we have the full burn effect, we'll calculate the result of fire shield both by % and with absolute reduction to see which gives the correct number
First by absolute: Final=Burn-.13*burn-64
So by this we get final effect number as 68.24= ~68
This obviously is not correct since my final effect with fire shield on was 34, not 68
Not Absolute Reduction
Now we calculate by %: Final=Burn-.13*burn-.64*burn
So by this we get the final effect as 34.96= ~35
Hmm. which is closer 35 or 68? The minor error is probably due to Joymax rounding down, rather than up.
So Final Conclusion:
Fire Shield is a % Reduction!!!!!
If I see any more threads stating fire shield is an absolute reduction I will mercilessly spam it with links to this post.
PS: Maybe a stickie so people can easily find this?
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:03 pm
by bleaK
A+
now let's hope other people understand this.
EDIT: wow u play ~8 hours of silkroad a day. 55/7 = 7.857142857. lucky you and ur night shift.
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:05 pm
by cuchulainn
bleaK wrote:A+
now let's hope other people understand this.
EDIT: wow u play ~8 hours of silkroad a day. 55/7 = 7.857142857. lucky you and ur night shift.
That's actually low. Closer to 10+ hours a day.
I took a week off work to visit home last week and I didn't play as much as I normally do. I'm back at work now and I have 6 graveyard shifts in a row XD
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:19 am
by Chief
10.......*faints*
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:14 am
by Ice_Warrior
ok i dunno how you work this out, but i have maxed out book 4 fore shield and have 25% ice reduce on jewelry but they are still freezing me for a split second and slowing my skills? have i done something? please help me.
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:47 am
by cuchulainn
Ice_Warrior wrote:ok i dunno how you work this out, but i have maxed out book 4 fore shield and have 25% ice reduce on jewelry but they are still freezing me for a split second and slowing my skills? have i done something? please help me.
SS all your jewelry and your fire shield skill and post them here.
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:15 am
by Ezeckiel
Thanks for the info. I'll check if my tests gives the same results
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:20 pm
by hellsharpt
Cuch photoshopped the results to make it look like he was correct... don't believe a word he says.
btw i'm joking, just wanted to see the bold all caps in giant font again.
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:28 am
by vulperin
Phiew...luckily i never ask this question. In other words, it is possible to get 100% of immunity.
By the way it took me 10 minutes to fully understand what he meant...so those new players out there like me, please think a little bit more before asking such questions
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:02 pm
by sugaholic
vulperin wrote:Phiew...luckily i never ask this question. In other words, it is possible to get 100% of immunity.
That still has yet to be comfirmed, either way. There is speculation both ways. It's one of those things that people are going to argue about, and you'll only really be able to find out yourself.
It really depends on how the game does its calculations.
Does it add up all it's percentages and then calculate them all in one run? If so, it'd be like Diablo 2's calculations. 25% on an amulet and 25% on a spell makes 50%. (although they set a max resist cap of 95% with spells)
However, if they calculate armour and then spells, one after the other, then it would be mathematically impossible to get 100% reduce (unless it was all on one item, or all on your armour, or whatever). Ok, example.. It's easier to think of in my head this way.
An item costs 10 dollars in a store, and is 25% off. The store is also having 25% off the whole store. 25% and 25% does NOT mean the item is 50% off (5 dollars). You take it one at a time. 25% off makes it 7.50. then 25% off of that makes it 5.62.
You could get really close to 100%, but there's still be a small amount left. This would explain Ice_Warrior's freezing.
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:01 am
by cuchulainn
sugaholic wrote:vulperin wrote:Phiew...luckily i never ask this question. In other words, it is possible to get 100% of immunity.
That still has yet to be comfirmed, either way. There is speculation both ways. It's one of those things that people are going to argue about, and you'll only really be able to find out yourself.
It really depends on how the game does its calculations.
Does it add up all it's percentages and then calculate them all in one run? If so, it'd be like Diablo 2's calculations. 25% on an amulet and 25% on a spell makes 50%. (although they set a max resist cap of 95% with spells)
However, if they calculate armour and then spells, one after the other, then it would be mathematically impossible to get 100% reduce (unless it was all on one item, or all on your armour, or whatever). Ok, example.. It's easier to think of in my head this way.
An item costs 10 dollars in a store, and is 25% off. The store is also having 25% off the whole store. 25% and 25% does NOT mean the item is 50% off (5 dollars). You take it one at a time. 25% off makes it 7.50. then 25% off of that makes it 5.62.
You could get really close to 100%, but there's still be a small amount left. This would explain Ice_Warrior's freezing.
it all adds up. I have 67 from fire shield and 35% from jewelry. Anyone on troy is welcome to cape me and try to freeze me, I'm immune. Hell, I'll even make a vid if peopel want.
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:06 am
by Irukandji
i think i vid is what we need - it will stop all this nonsense of people saying you can't be immune
[offtopic]
cuch i was reading a book for my summer project and i was suprised to see your name. I finally know the story behind it lol.
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:02 am
by Vintar
Is there any people here with a maxed frost nova on Troy, to make a vid ? ^^
Btw I'm cold immune too and I never get frozen, even with the cold imbue book4. Never.
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:35 am
by cuchulainn
bump
sticky anyone?
I seem to have to bump this once it gets buried half a dozen pages because someone new comes saying you can't get immune
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:56 am
by Lance
so with fire shield maxed, which gives a status error 78 reduce, u only need 22% from rings etc, and your completely immune?
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:56 am
by cuchulainn
Lance wrote:so with fire shield maxed, what is the minimum of % reduce on rings etc you need ? 35%?
Maxed fire shield gives 78% reduction, so you'd need a minimum of 22% to be immune
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:57 am
by Lance
lol, damn, you quoted me too fast
ahh i see, daymnn, now i know wt ppl mean by how ice got really screwed over, i thought u needed atleast 20% on each ring etc
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:14 am
by Kenshin
fire shield is kinda cheap now that i think about it. but o well, who cares. XD
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:43 pm
by senapanaga
and the best part is you dont even have to be a blader/sword user.
just max fire shield and buy a lvl 1 shield, do the buff, and get your wep out again....
................Lol ok my work is done here...
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:36 pm
by isight
I always thought this was obvious o.0
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:14 pm
by cuchulainn
isight wrote:I always thought this was obvious o.0
For awhile I thought it was an absolute reduction until I tested it myself. Now people won't take my word for it so I had to give them proof that I could refer them too every time they said "no, ur wr0ng"
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:45 am
by beav
awwwww thats bs then, im a delvl my frost nova XD
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:43 pm
by Weist
Well, i have a very very very noob question here...
Do i need to equip a shield to use fire shield? the description says infusing force into the shield....
PLS dont laugh at me
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:06 pm
by eis39
senapanaga wrote:and the best part is you dont even have to be a blader/sword user.
just max fire shield and buy a lvl 1 shield, do the buff, and get your wep out again....
................Lol ok my work is done here...
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:26 am
by Kenshin
i know which is kinda weird since that doesnt ahpen in real life...LOL
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:16 am
by Elysium
so if I get it right when u have 64 reduce with that fire shield skill and u got jewelery for examle: ice for 36% or higher u can't get frozen/frostbite?
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:35 am
by cuchulainn
Elysium wrote:so if I get it right when u have 64 reduce with that fire shield skill and u got jewelery for examle: ice for 36% or higher u can't get frozen/frostbite?
Yep
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:37 am
by Elysium
cool I gonna make that
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:37 am
by rabbit
u can have immunity to ice in the early 30's if u wanted to waste gold on alchemy then ^^ fire shield slower 41% stat reduce w/ 4 pieces of 15% reduction wud get u full immunity ^^
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:02 am
by Elysium
which lvl does 41% reduce of the fire shield?