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I would like to get some opinions from players that played both of this char at high lvls

i know for a fact that war/cleric can tank better because 1h+shield + healing buffs/skills > ice+shield

but excluding grind pt (blader cant lure), which is the better all around defensive unit? if you have to stand and spam healing stuff with euro, wouldnt it be much easier to be mobile and still have great defense as a chinese ?

for instance, if you go jobbing or FW, and ofcourse your task is to be first line of defense, would a blader be better at moving around without concering too much with buffing as to a warior/cleric who has to monitor his healing closely ?


my ultimate question is, i would like a defensive char and i prefer a blader, but would it be that much weaker in tanking in comparison with a war/cleric ?


* the reason i dont say cleric/war (cleric main) is to put emphasis on being mobile and still be some kind of a threat in the pvp, not just a tank pinyata

I think the blader would be a better tanker cuz while he is tanking, he can still move around and attack or whatever he has to do. However, the warrior/cleric has to buff himself to tank and he can't move around and stuff. So if I were you, I'd pick a blader since you already like bladers and in my opinion they are better tankers than warrior/clerics

sn1kzZe wrote:I would like to get some opinions from players that played both of this char at high lvls

i know for a fact that war/cleric can tank better because 1h+shield + healing buffs/skills > ice+shield

but excluding grind pt (blader cant lure), which is the better all around defensive unit? if you have to stand and spam healing stuff with euro, wouldnt it be much easier to be mobile and still have great defense as a chinese ?

for instance, if you go jobbing or FW, and ofcourse your task is to be first line of defense, would a blader be better at moving around without concering too much with buffing as to a warior/cleric who has to monitor his healing closely ?


my ultimate question is, i would like a defensive char and i prefer a blader, but would it be that much weaker in tanking in comparison with a war/cleric ?


* the reason i dont say cleric/war (cleric main) is to put emphasis on being mobile and still be some kind of a threat in the pvp, not just a tank pinyata

If you don't want to be a tank dummy then i'll definitely go with blader. In FW or jobbing, im pretty sure there're some full time cleric healing and checking your HP, but still as an euro ur healing is a big issue. if you get mobbed by players, u'll have a harder time as compared to a blader.

lets face it. if a warrior/cleric can get healing buffs, bladers can too. he can just add a cleric in his party to keep check on his HP and it'll be the same as having a cleric subclass, without really having 1

Whats more, Bladers are much cooler

warrior/cleric has bless, skins, healing cycle, 2h/1h/axe and if you're using grains you can tank better than a blader AND hit harder than a blader

so why do u think u cant tank and kill as warrior/cleric? it just takes more skill to play than a blader, that's all

pizzagirl2008 wrote:warrior/cleric has bless, skins, healing cycle, 2h/1h/axe and if you're using grains you can tank better than a blader AND hit harder than a blader

so why do u think u cant tank and kill as warrior/cleric? it just takes more skill to play than a blader, that's all

Exactly what i was thinking.

Only Blader has cooler skills IMO..There alot more appealing to the eye and they have speed.

pizzagirl2008 wrote:warrior/cleric has bless, skins, healing cycle, 2h/1h/axe and if you're using grains you can tank better than a blader AND hit harder than a blader

so why do u think u cant tank and kill as warrior/cleric? it just takes more skill to play than a blader, that's all

Why cant bladers get bless and healing cycle? He's talking about jobbing and FW. There's bound to be 1 or 2 clerics in the party to cast that on bladers. on top of that bladers have their own shield skill that increase def by a lot. Whats more Chinese + vigors + Hp pots + cleric buffs = Way better tanks than warrior/cleric. and we get a lot more armour choices so...Bladers hands down.

larrylhm wrote:

pizzagirl2008 wrote:warrior/cleric has bless, skins, healing cycle, 2h/1h/axe and if you're using grains you can tank better than a blader AND hit harder than a blader

so why do u think u cant tank and kill as warrior/cleric? it just takes more skill to play than a blader, that's all

Why cant bladers get bless and healing cycle? He's talking about jobbing and FW. There's bound to be 1 or 2 clerics in the party to cast that on bladers. on top of that bladers have their own shield skill that increase def by a lot. Whats more Chinese + vigors + Hp pots + cleric buffs = Way better tanks than warrior/cleric. and we get a lot more armour choices so...Bladers hands down.

It's not just about bless and healing cycle. A warrior/cleric can wear heavy armor, light armor, and robe.

Warriors also have :
- skins that increase defense
- passives that increase crit, defense, damage, blocking, crit blocking, damage return, immunity to statuses
- vital that increases hp
- knockback 80%, knock down 50%, stun

if you guys were to open this thread instead of me, you would have seen that your opinions are kinda "biased". i still cant decide which one is better for my specific request, because theres not enough reasons.

the reason is that you only talk positive about the build you like more (or used to play).

did anyone actually compared and played both builds at cap ?

I will give an example so you can understand me better:

If you put a blader and a warrior on starting position, and both have to walk in a straight line for about 40 meters, along the line there will be placed some archers, nukers, glavies etc (lets say in theory they dont have KB or KD so they cant slow you down). who would be able to survive and run towards the end of the line without stopping for one sec, not switching gears, not rebuffing, no anything.

i can also include some terms into this:
1. the blader runs only with his buffs VS euro war/cleric with his own buffs
2. the blader runs with euro buffs + chinese buffs VS euro war/cleric with his own buffs

now can i get an answer?

* i realize if a war/cleric standing can out tank the blader, and if you master this build you can make it mobile no less than the blader, but the blader is so well rounded and i want to be deffinately sure its not a good build for my purpose before i start all over again with a euro warrior......

(thanks for reading and answering)

There is no bias. A 100FF warrior/cleric will own a 100FF blader/ice/light as a tanker because it has higher hp, higher defense, and can keep aggro.

A warrior without cleric, specifically holy word/spell will crumple easily.

My friend has a 100 ff warrior/bard, and without the holy spell, i could rape her easily at lvl 94.

Tbh, I think the best tanking build other than warrior / cler is dual wep. Going blade and glaive, with give you the defense or a blader, and the hp of a glaiver. Just to be different, and more 'tank', you could take 100 cold - Phys def, freezing, and massive show shield ?

sn1kzZe wrote:if you guys were to open this thread instead of me, you would have seen that your opinions are kinda "biased". i still cant decide which one is better for my specific request, because theres not enough reasons.

the reason is that you only talk positive about the build you like more (or used to play).

did anyone actually compared and played both builds at cap ?

I will give an example so you can understand me better:

If you put a blader and a warrior on starting position, and both have to walk in a straight line for about 40 meters, along the line there will be placed some archers, nukers, glavies etc (lets say in theory they dont have KB or KD so they cant slow you down). who would be able to survive and run towards the end of the line without stopping for one sec, not switching gears, not rebuffing, no anything.

i can also include some terms into this:
1. the blader runs only with his buffs VS euro war/cleric with his own buffs
2. the blader runs with euro buffs + chinese buffs VS euro war/cleric with his own buffs

now can i get an answer?

* i realize if a war/cleric standing can out tank the blader, and if you master this build you can make it mobile no less than the blader, but the blader is so well rounded and i want to be deffinately sure its not a good build for my purpose before i start all over again with a euro warrior......

(thanks for reading and answering)

umm just want to point this out. it's kinda weird for only 1 tank to be running and having so many people attacking him, but thats just me. In that case i'll vote for Warrior/Cleric with speed drugs. He can cast Bless spell + RD + Healing Orbit + Other warrior buffs before starting and it'll be a 100% gurantee safe.

but lets face it. bladers are much cooler, i mean, does YOUR warrior get ranged attacks?

well you guys gave some good points.....in fact i now agree with your opinions.

the problem is its too late, i was so sure my build was correct for my goals .

only thing left for me is to try to get to cap and compare it myself, and also try to trade for a warrior/cleric or even just a farmed euro noob char :/

or just keep your blader? lol
Youll have fun with it.

it seems u just need to play and practice more with your warrior/cleric.

Lets put it this way:

a warrior/cleric in LA +5 set 100FF'd can tank any suns in the game (exception sun staff in life turnover, sun dagger in desperate, sun 2h double daredevil crit)

blader in protector/garment +5 set cannot

pizzagirl2008 wrote:it seems u just need to play and practice more with your warrior/cleric.

Lets put it this way:

a warrior/cleric in LA +5 set 100FF'd can tank any suns in the game (exception sun staff in life turnover, sun dagger in desperate, sun 2h double daredevil crit)

blader in protector/garment +5 set cannot

I tend to disagree. A 100FF +5 blader with the same cleric buffs as a warrior (remember he said job wars and fortress so this will be the case) can tank just as well imo.

_c0nflict_ wrote:

pizzagirl2008 wrote:it seems u just need to play and practice more with your warrior/cleric.

Lets put it this way:

a warrior/cleric in LA +5 set 100FF'd can tank any suns in the game (exception sun staff in life turnover, sun dagger in desperate, sun 2h double daredevil crit)

blader in protector/garment +5 set cannot

I tend to disagree. A 100FF +5 blader with the same cleric buffs as a warrior (remember he said job wars and fortress so this will be the case) can tank just as well imo.

But then a dual wep could tank better than both of them

Kah00ner wrote:

_c0nflict_ wrote:

pizzagirl2008 wrote:it seems u just need to play and practice more with your warrior/cleric.

Lets put it this way:

a warrior/cleric in LA +5 set 100FF'd can tank any suns in the game (exception sun staff in life turnover, sun dagger in desperate, sun 2h double daredevil crit)

blader in protector/garment +5 set cannot

I tend to disagree. A 100FF +5 blader with the same cleric buffs as a warrior (remember he said job wars and fortress so this will be the case) can tank just as well imo.

But then a dual wep could tank better than both of them

you're still going on with ur dual weapon huh

blader will make better tanker no doubt abt it. and we get pretty decent ranged attack too

larrylhm wrote:

Kah00ner wrote:

_c0nflict_ wrote:I tend to disagree. A 100FF +5 blader with the same cleric buffs as a warrior (remember he said job wars and fortress so this will be the case) can tank just as well imo.

But then a dual wep could tank better than both of them

you're still going on with ur dual weapon huh

blader will make better tanker no doubt abt it. and we get pretty decent ranged attack too

haha Well, that isn't true. How could a blader tank better than a blader / glaiver ? A dual wepo has all the skills a blader has, plus better hp, and if needed a magical defense boost aswell lol.

Warrior/cleric, HP>Then Glavier and Block>Blader. It also gets anti crit passives and higher phy def. Grains solve the potting problem as well ( even more effective with vital). Above that you have plenty of self buffs that make you temporarily unkillable. In pure tanking ability a blader aint gonna beat a warrior/cleric.

You mentioned that with a blader you still get heals but they died kinda fast without buffs, but with a warrior/cleric the cleric actually stays alive. It kinda works 2 ways in a europe party.


If you want the real ´300´ effect make a euro party with atleast 2 warriors. Then you have 8 tanks in 1 party which is the real strenght of a warrior ( If you play it right). If you play with more warrior-clerics keep up a cycle with bless/screens/skins and you can tank everything while using 2hand ( No vital).


Anyway bladers are way cooler ! Altough I dont have much experiences with playing in mixed party's, I atleast know our euro party's would totally destroy the mixed and chinese party's.

warrior-cleric
better tanker :]

i guess people can kill blader-cold more easier than warrior-cleric.

the reason "why" is easy.

-holy spell - no debuffs that make your defence weaker
-bless + high selfheals
-cleric passive, Glory Armor,Favor Armor
-cleric defence buffs,Body Deity,Soul Deity
-shield.

easy math ->
cold buff+passive = 336 phy def
cleric passive+body diety = 420 phy def!

fire buff = 277 mag def
cleric passive+soul diety = 633 mag def!

if you talk in jobs..is all about sitauation -.-'
and how much chars attack you , if blader-cold and you have bless+heals+str+int+defece+skins+bard dances+warriorbuffs on you. so u cant die same with bow cold if he put shield same with glavier-cold if he put shield
and same with warrior-cleric if you have all those buffs on u

but i gave you my imo in 1v1. you can take blader and warrior with +0 set.
and let them buff themself [blader with coldbuff , and warrior with cleric+shield+diety buffs on himself+the passives]

the warrior will get more phy+mag def =] for sure.

MeNii wrote:warrior-cleric
better tanker :]

i guess people can kill blader-cold more easier than warrior-cleric.

the reason "why" is easy.

-holy spell - no debuffs that make your defence weaker
-bless + high selfheals
-cleric passive, Glory Armor,Favor Armor
-cleric defence buffs,Body Deity,Soul Deity
-shield.

easy math ->
cold buff+passive = 336 phy def
cleric passive+body diety = 420 phy def!

fire buff = 277 mag def
cleric passive+soul diety = 633 mag def!

if you talk in jobs..is all about sitauation -.-'
and how much chars attack you , if blader-cold and you have bless+heals+str+int+defece+skins+bard dances+warriorbuffs on you. so u cant die same with bow cold if he put shield same with glavier-cold if he put shield
and same with warrior-cleric if you have all those buffs on u

but i gave you my imo in 1v1. you can take blader and warrior with +0 set.
and let them buff themself [blader with coldbuff , and warrior with cleric+shield+diety buffs on himself+the passives]

the warrior will get more phy+mag def =] for sure.

He said he wanted the char for jobbing and pvp on a larger scale than 1v1. meaning he will have the same buffs as a cleric. So your simple math goes out the window. In jobbing with a committed healer on both sides, id bladers are better tanks, tho a warrior will do more damage.

_c0nflict_ wrote:

MeNii wrote:warrior-cleric
better tanker :]

i guess people can kill blader-cold more easier than warrior-cleric.

the reason "why" is easy.

-holy spell - no debuffs that make your defence weaker
-bless + high selfheals
-cleric passive, Glory Armor,Favor Armor
-cleric defence buffs,Body Deity,Soul Deity
-shield.

easy math ->
cold buff+passive = 336 phy def
cleric passive+body diety = 420 phy def!

fire buff = 277 mag def
cleric passive+soul diety = 633 mag def!

if you talk in jobs..is all about sitauation -.-'
and how much chars attack you , if blader-cold and you have bless+heals+str+int+defece+skins+bard dances+warriorbuffs on you. so u cant die same with bow cold if he put shield same with glavier-cold if he put shield
and same with warrior-cleric if you have all those buffs on u

but i gave you my imo in 1v1. you can take blader and warrior with +0 set.
and let them buff themself [blader with coldbuff , and warrior with cleric+shield+diety buffs on himself+the passives]

the warrior will get more phy+mag def =] for sure.

He said he wanted the char for jobbing and pvp on a larger scale than 1v1. meaning he will have the same buffs as a cleric. So your simple math goes out the window. In jobbing with a committed healer on both sides, id bladers are better tanks, tho a warrior will do more damage.

and like i said in jobbing is about situation,
because blader-cold can get alot euro buffs like dances screens bless diety defence holy spell , warrior buffs. - and he can be f*cking tanker.

and can be warrior with same shit like what the blader have, and he can be f*cking tanker.

but if go to math theory , warrior have better defence.

1 1/2 words.... pot fight.

MeNii wrote:

_c0nflict_ wrote:

MeNii wrote:warrior-cleric
better tanker :]

i guess people can kill blader-cold more easier than warrior-cleric.

the reason "why" is easy.

-holy spell - no debuffs that make your defence weaker
-bless + high selfheals
-cleric passive, Glory Armor,Favor Armor
-cleric defence buffs,Body Deity,Soul Deity
-shield.

easy math ->
cold buff+passive = 336 phy def
cleric passive+body diety = 420 phy def!

fire buff = 277 mag def
cleric passive+soul diety = 633 mag def!

if you talk in jobs..is all about sitauation -.-'
and how much chars attack you , if blader-cold and you have bless+heals+str+int+defece+skins+bard dances+warriorbuffs on you. so u cant die same with bow cold if he put shield same with glavier-cold if he put shield
and same with warrior-cleric if you have all those buffs on u

but i gave you my imo in 1v1. you can take blader and warrior with +0 set.
and let them buff themself [blader with coldbuff , and warrior with cleric+shield+diety buffs on himself+the passives]

the warrior will get more phy+mag def =] for sure.

He said he wanted the char for jobbing and pvp on a larger scale than 1v1. meaning he will have the same buffs as a cleric. So your simple math goes out the window. In jobbing with a committed healer on both sides, id bladers are better tanks, tho a warrior will do more damage.

and like i said in jobbing is about situation,
because blader-cold can get alot euro buffs like dances screens bless diety defence holy spell , warrior buffs. - and he can be f*cking tanker.

and can be warrior with same shit like what the blader have, and he can be f*cking tanker.

but if go to math theory , warrior have better defence.

would you like to tell me why warrior have better defence if they both have the same buffs? assuming warrior wears heavy armour he'll have a lot of phy def but he'll be lacking in magical def, so...am i missing something here? bladers can wear heavy armour too yea. so i dont see why warrior have better def

i dont love heavy for warrior-cleric
LA much better because Passives

im not say in assuming , i say "if" you job and they got some defence buffs [i gave examples of defence buffs], they are same good tankers.

so in job you cant see "who is more tanker" is all based on how much "defence buffs" you have from outside.

but in 1v1,if you make math theory , the warrior will get more.

not hard , maybe yes because my english is shit

MeNii wrote:i dont love heavy for warrior-cleric
LA much better because Passives

im not say in assuming , i say "if" you job and they got some defence buffs [i gave examples of defence buffs], they are same good tankers.

so in job you cant see "who is more tanker" is all based on how much "defence buffs" you have from outside.

but in 1v1,if you make math theory , the warrior will get more.

not hard , maybe yes because my english is shit

yes it is, but im sure i cant speak your language either.

But, the question was not of 1vs1, in which case yes a warrior would have a higher defense, and more than likely higher damage, unless your blader will be rockin sun weaps. The difference is, that defense is at least partially made up by the chinese quick pots. Plus it wont have to change weaps to buff and is much more mobile depending on build...

end result in 1vs1 = pot fight, or huge crit by warrior and chinese death.