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Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:48 pm
by Devilman
Which one would you prefer? Why?
I'm interested in other's opinions ;)

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:23 pm
by -.-
i'd give each 50/50 for winning :S
people say warrior/cleric has holy and healing, but well, with stun/sleeps you can wait out the skin/blesses. The healing you can use scorn on bad pvpers and get them to heal you.

other than that, if rogue just stun/sleep, they can hit hard enough and crit to win. but warrior can use same pattern to beat rogue as well, since it has fast stun/kb as well.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:41 pm
by Ningyotsukai-san
Devilman wrote:Which one would you prefer? Why?
I'm interested in other's opinions ;)


I'd take the Rogue / Warlock simply because I find warrior / cleric boring

There's no real rush in the sense of "kill or be killed" w/ the top pvp build ...

Rogue / Warlock takes more thought, however slightly, to kill your opponents (w/o using trap + sleep), especially those w/ a cleric sub...it's not a tank, so you gotta kill whoever you're fighting fast...which takes thought 'n some other variables ....

Warrior / cleric needs good weapon switching ...'n at least decent gear (+5 or higher)

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:43 am
by Fimero
rogue/lock over kill especially against non clerics
warrior/cleric everyone knows about them even if they dont play sr
i would go rogue/lock just because warlock is underrated and underused same as rogue

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:45 am
by karimgh
Well no I would take 100% Rogue lock For the following techique:
1-Stealth and hit him from the back with a stun.
2-Change to rod then daze,burn,dull, sleep......
3-Change to rogue and finish him with combos....
4- Mostly no scratch on you :D

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:02 pm
by hyma
pvp? rogue/lock
pvp+everything (but uniques maybe ^^) war/cleric

even if being a war/cleric is boring sometimes i belive its more playable in different fields, which i find better.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:41 am
by very intelligent
probably warrior will win in this match-up, but chinese own them both.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:15 am
by Puma60
Rogue is so underrated. In 1 vs 1 Rogue/Warlock would make easy work of any build.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:32 am
by very intelligent
lol against clerics warlock is useless.

rog/cler vs war/cler would be more interesting, depends on how they play.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:10 pm
by Fimero
very intelligent wrote:lol against clerics warlock is useless.

rog/cler vs war/cler would be more interesting, depends on how they play.

the warrior would win
the rogue would have to get a crit or kd and then some crits to win
i hardly see any rogues beat warriors

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:24 pm
by Puma60
very intelligent wrote:lol against clerics warlock is useless.

very intelligent wrote:Don't underestimate a build that you dont have.


very intelligent wrote:probably warrior will win in this match-up, but chinese own them both.

That couldn't be more untrue. A Rogue/Warlock is overkill on any chinese. A Rogue/Cleric can hit 46k crit on a Blader, now imagine the damage when the Blader is fully debuffed, the chinese would have no chance in hell of winning. Also everyone knows Warrior/Clerics own Chinese in PvP, it's just common knowledge.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:47 pm
by Fimero
Puma60 wrote:
very intelligent wrote:lol against clerics warlock is useless.

very intelligent wrote:Don't underestimate a build that you dont have.


very intelligent wrote:probably warrior will win in this match-up, but chinese own them both.

That couldn't be more untrue. A Rogue/Warlock is overkill on any chinese. A Rogue/Cleric can hit 46k crit on a Blader, now imagine the damage when the Blader is fully debuffed, the chinese would have no chance in hell of winning. Also everyone knows Warrior/Clerics own Chinese in PvP, it's just common knowledge.

warrior/cleric is always hard to kill but its possible
it bothers me how much effect skills they have along with def increase

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:21 pm
by Puma60
Fimero wrote:warrior/cleric is always hard to kill but its possible
it bothers me how much effect skills they have along with def increase

Yeah, like every skill they have has either a KB, KD, or Stun on them. Then on top of that they have insane damage and crits with Daredevil, then on top of that they have their Skins, then on top of that they have their Bless, then on top of that they have their heals.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:52 am
by Fimero
Puma60 wrote:
Fimero wrote:warrior/cleric is always hard to kill but its possible
it bothers me how much effect skills they have along with def increase

Yeah, like every skill they have has either a KB, KD, or Stun on them. Then on top of that they have insane damage and crits with Daredevil, then on top of that they have their Skins, then on top of that they have their Bless, then on top of that they have their heals.

yea its kinda redonculous how much they have going for them

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:20 am
by borat2
karimgh wrote:Well no I would take 100% Rogue lock For the following techique:
1-Stealth and hit him from the back with a stun.
2-Change to rod then daze,burn,dull, sleep......
3-Change to rogue and finish him with combos....
4- Mostly no scratch on you :D



99% of sro have invisibility pk2 edits.
both build have good and bad sides but warrior/cleric probably has less cons than a rogue/warlock.

It is how you enjoy playing, if you are a 1on1 monster then warlock/rogue is a great build, if you rather be one of the key players of a party then be a warrior/cleric

Few movies that might help you with your choice:
warrior/cleric vs chinese
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warrior/cleric vs euro
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rogue/warlock not that great quality but one of the few FF 100.
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this was 5min work so try searching for more yourself might give you a decent clue on how both builds are.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:26 am
by Devilman
yeah, WootKenny has awesome weapon switches... there are few rogue/locks so ill be keeping that build just for fun pvp xD thnx for input guys

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:48 pm
by very intelligent
Warrior/cleric is so overrated, i myself own warrior/clerics so easily i dont see why youre thinking they are good, i just tank their bless and skins, with their 4k 4k dd wont scratch my 25k hp.And when skins and bless are off, you know what happens.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:53 pm
by Jocka
I think you should go rogue/warlock. Simple because you have rogue to fulfill your pve and unique needs. You also got it for pvp, and if used right, will own any warrior...If you debuff your opponent and use 1-2 dagger moves, they are done...I've seen it done and know that it's easily possible.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:12 pm
by borat2
very intelligent wrote:Warrior/cleric is so overrated, i myself own warrior/clerics so easily i dont see why youre thinking they are good, i just tank their bless and skins, with their 4k 4k dd wont scratch my 25k hp.And when skins and bless are off, you know what happens.

4k daredevil? sounds like a 60% snow int with castle book on, that is when cleric skills come in handy, pretty sure you will either hide in the safezone or run once your snow is done :)

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:20 pm
by Puma60
borat2 wrote:
very intelligent wrote:Warrior/cleric is so overrated, i myself own warrior/clerics so easily i dont see why youre thinking they are good, i just tank their bless and skins, with their 4k 4k dd wont scratch my 25k hp.And when skins and bless are off, you know what happens.

4k daredevil? sounds like a 60% snow int with castle book on, that is when cleric skills come in handy, pretty sure you will either hide in the safezone or run once your snow is done :)

Unless he is a low level 70 bower or something. To say something like this:
very intelligent wrote:probably warrior will win in this match-up, but chinese own them both.
I'm pretty sure he's low level. At 100, Warrior/Clerics usually kill any Chinese build.

Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:51 pm
by TillTheEnd
borat2 wrote:
karimgh wrote:Well no I would take 100% Rogue lock For the following techique:
1-Stealth and hit him from the back with a stun.
2-Change to rod then daze,burn,dull, sleep......
3-Change to rogue and finish him with combos....
4- Mostly no scratch on you :D



99% of sro have invisibility pk2 edits.
both build have good and bad sides but warrior/cleric probably has less cons than a rogue/warlock.

It is how you enjoy playing, if you are a 1on1 monster then warlock/rogue is a great build, if you rather be one of the key players of a party then be a warrior/cleric

Few movies that might help you with your choice:
warrior/cleric vs chinese
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warrior/cleric vs euro
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rogue/warlock not that great quality but one of the few FF 100.
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this was 5min work so try searching for more yourself might give you a decent clue on how both builds are.


its not really all about the build, but who plays the builds, found this video, that's 2hand sun warrior, so basically normal warrior with 98+7 has little to no chance of winning, all about set/tactics/crits.
you all may reponds with bless/skin w/e but read comments, chinese did not use snow shield or firewall. I think chinese using 98-100 +7 set.

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Re: Rogue/warlock vs. Warrior/cleric

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:45 pm
by wantux
ech i can say that ppl who says that warlock useless agaist holy spell are noobs and rogue/warlock can easy work against holy spell by using only stun/reflect , i think even warrior/cler don't have a big chance against rogue/lock if rogue/lock know how to play ^^ , well my warrior/warlock 99 banned so when i lvl my rogue/warlock i will show how need to play it right , i haven't seen a good rogue/lock for a while.