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Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:21 pm**

Sup everyone, I'm going to make a hybrid str 5:1 blader and i've been deciding on builds. I'll make a bich/fire/force or a bich/fire/light build. Which one do you think would be better? Thanks

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:35 pm**

As always. Bich/Fire/Force is strictly for 1v1 pvp; Bich/Fire/Light/(preferably 20 cold) is a solid all around build.

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:38 pm**

Thomas42 wrote:As always. Bich/Fire/Force is strictly for 1v1 pvp; Bich/Fire/Light/(preferably 20 cold) is a solid all around build.

If i went fire/light with 20 ice, would the snow shield make that of a difference?

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:43 pm**

Devilman wrote:
Thomas42 wrote:As always. Bich/Fire/Force is strictly for 1v1 pvp; Bich/Fire/Light/(preferably 20 cold) is a solid all around build.

If i went fire/light with 20 ice, would the snow shield make that of a difference?

The level 1 snow shield means 20% damage absorption. The difference between 80 and 100 light is like 2% mag. damage, a few parry points, a little running speed and a slightly shorter phantom walk. Most people will say that the 20 ice is more worth it.

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:16 pm**

Sure remove the things bladers depend on, great choice :roll:

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:11 am**

force is pvp
anything with a higher lightning if for pve

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:17 am**

Bich/Fire/Force.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:25 am**

Don't make a 5:1 blader, you will lose too much hp and crits will suck. make a 9:1 or 8:1 instead.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:29 am**

And btw make 100 fire,100 bich, 65 light and 35 cold.with this you will have 21m phantom,55 parry, 15% mag dmg increase.with 35 cold you have 25% snow and a bit of phy def.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:33 am**

very intelligent wrote:And btw make 100 fire,100 bich, 65 light and 35 cold.with this you will have 21m phantom,53 parry, 15% mag dmg increase.with 35 cold you have 25% snow and a bit of phy def.

I seriously have no idea why people would pick light over ice. Ice is just so much better! Especially for a blader.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:55 am**

Tsume, That build that i wrote was for a hybrid blader. And 65 light and 35 ice is all round build. it has good mag, parry etc.
and for hybrid you need the mag % because it will increase your dmg quite a bit.For full str 100fire/cold is better.

Off topic: Hey guys can ya teach me how to quote?

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:01 am**

Either hit the quote button at the bottom right of someones reply. Or type in your reply:

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I guess you can take higher light for a hybrid str blader, but I wouldn't go hybrid at all and take 80light/20ice or 100 ice.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:30 am**

I guess you can take higher light for a hybrid str blader, but I wouldn't go hybrid at all and take 80light/20ice or 100 ice.

Thanks for teaching me how to quote

. And i think that hybrid str blader needs the 35 ice for the 25% snow and the difference between 65 light and 80 is 8 parry, 2% mag, 1m phantom and 10% moving speed, id rather have 5% more snow and it requires less sp.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:33 am**

very intelligent wrote:
XMoshe wrote:I guess you can take higher light for a hybrid str blader, but I wouldn't go hybrid at all and take 80light/20ice or 100 ice.
Thanks for teaching me how to quote . And i think that hybrid str blader needs the 35 ice for the 25% snow and the difference between 65 light and 80 is 8 parry, 2% mag, 1m phantom and 10% moving speed, id rather have 5% more snow and it requires less sp.

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And I was talking about pure str using 80light/20ice, I guess it's alright for hybrid str.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:09 am**

[quote=XMoshe]And I was talking about pure str using 80light/20ice, I guess it's alright for hybrid str.[/quote]

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:11 am**

teach me plx to quote name and text, i only can quote text but not name

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:42 am**

It's almost right. But to quote someone's name you have to put "XMoshe" or "very intelligent" for instance. You forgot the " " for the rest it was perfect =p

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[quote="XMoshe"]And I was talking about pure str using 80light/20ice, I guess it's alright for hybrid str.[/quote]

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:15 pm**

ok thanks bro.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:21 pm**

decide, thanks for the input guys

i'm goin bich/fire/light 80/ ice 20 thanks again.

Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:17 am**

ugh i hate when people take a higher light for str builds
but hey its not my character

Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:15 am**

Fimero wrote:ugh i hate when people take a higher light for str builds
but hey its not my character

Well the char goes hybrid with still a decent amount of hp, so snow is not needed that high and the light will increase the imbue damage even more O_o

Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:22 am**

XMoshe wrote:
Fimero wrote:ugh i hate when people take a higher light for str builds
but hey its not my character

Well the char goes hybrid with still a decent amount of hp, so snow is not needed that high and the light will increase the imbue damage even more O_o

imbue damage will be pretty much unoticable
and saying since most servers have a lot of bowers and warriors a higher cold would be better
i would get light to about 40ish

Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:48 am**

Fimero wrote:
XMoshe wrote:
Fimero wrote:ugh i hate when people take a higher light for str builds
but hey its not my character

Well the char goes hybrid with still a decent amount of hp, so snow is not needed that high and the light will increase the imbue damage even more O_o

imbue damage will be pretty much unoticable
and saying since most servers have a lot of bowers and warriors a higher cold would be better
i would get light to about 40ish

60 Ice is a waste for str hybrids...The phy def is useless and the snow is too high for them. I would stick with a lower snow and get more lightning. The dmg will be higher with the imbue since they are hybrid.

Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:56 am**

XMoshe wrote:
Fimero wrote:
XMoshe wrote:Well the char goes hybrid with still a decent amount of hp, so snow is not needed that high and the light will increase the imbue damage even more O_o

imbue damage will be pretty much unoticable
and saying since most servers have a lot of bowers and warriors a higher cold would be better
i would get light to about 40ish

60 Ice is a waste for str hybrids...The phy def is useless and the snow is too high for them. I would stick with a lower snow and get more lightning. The dmg will be higher with the imbue since they are hybrid.

if its a heavy str population in the specific server higher ice will be very usefull
since its a hybrid it can support a higher snowshield
and you dont HAVE to use the max snowsheild you can get
you dont even have to max it
yes the damage will be higher but not by much
especially for a blader

Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:01 am**

Like I said, the higher snow is useless + the phy def you get from 60 ice is not worth it. So why get 60 ice? Higher light might not have the best benefits either, but they are better than the few phy def and a snowshield you can't use.

Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:50 pm**

XMoshe wrote:Like I said, the higher snow is useless + the phy def you get from 60 ice is not worth it. So why get 60 ice? Higher light might not have the best benefits either, but they are better than the few phy def and a snowshield you can't use.

when i used to play i was 77 bich, 77 fire, 32 light, 40ish light (dont remember)
but i was able to support like 25% ss and i have mostly npc gear some was +3 though
and i beat warrior clerics with sostar weps and +3 armor sets
its a tanking build
i would go with just that and make it a tank build
you get more than just 2 benefits from cold
phys def buff and passive, snow wall, frost nova, ice imbue, and most importantly ss.

Posted: **Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:39 pm**

Fimero wrote:
XMoshe wrote:Like I said, the higher snow is useless + the phy def you get from 60 ice is not worth it. So why get 60 ice? Higher light might not have the best benefits either, but they are better than the few phy def and a snowshield you can't use.

when i used to play i was 77 bich, 77 fire, 32 light, 40ish light (dont remember)
but i was able to support like 25% ss and i have mostly npc gear some was +3 though
and i beat warrior clerics with sostar weps and +3 armor sets
its a tanking build
i would go with just that and make it a tank build
you get more than just 2 benefits from cold
phys def buff and passive, Which is too low to notice any real difference
snow wall, lvl 1 does the job just as good
frost nova, every average joe is immune nowadays
ice imbue, if your ice isn't max it's useless, if you can max it to what ever you take it lvl 1 would be enough too
snowshield.like I said before, unless you go really hybrid you can't keep up a 40% snow, hell...even I have trouble with it and I'm almost pure int, and yes I have good gear.

So just drop it man, for a str hybrid higher light will benefit you more with speed/phantom/mag dmg/parry than ice will ever do, unless maxed.

Posted: **Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:58 am**

XMoshe wrote:
Fimero wrote:
XMoshe wrote:Like I said, the higher snow is useless + the phy def you get from 60 ice is not worth it. So why get 60 ice? Higher light might not have the best benefits either, but they are better than the few phy def and a snowshield you can't use.

when i used to play i was 77 bich, 77 fire, 32 light, 40ish light (dont remember)
but i was able to support like 25% ss and i have mostly npc gear some was +3 though
and i beat warrior clerics with sostar weps and +3 armor sets
its a tanking build
i would go with just that and make it a tank build
you get more than just 2 benefits from cold
phys def buff and passive, Which is too low to notice any real difference
snow wall, lvl 1 does the job just as good
frost nova, every average joe is immune nowadays
ice imbue, if your ice isn't max it's useless, if you can max it to what ever you take it lvl 1 would be enough too
snowshield.like I said before, unless you go really hybrid you can't keep up a 40% snow, hell...even I have trouble with it and I'm almost pure int, and yes I have good gear.

So just drop it man, for a str hybrid higher light will benefit you more with speed/phantom/mag dmg/parry than ice will ever do, unless maxed.

a higher snow wall does better not "just as good"
it matters what lvl cold is at if its higher then it does make a difference
most characters are immune, but not everyone. and monsters as well.
imbue doesnt make much of a difference for a heavy str character
and no one said anything about keeping a 40% s/s
whatever the max they can hold and still use skills will be the best
speed is use yes, not much. speed wont win a pvp. phantom is very useful i agree with that. mag dmg increase for a heavy str? cmon now. i dont remember the math behind parry but i remember it was insignificant.

Posted: **Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:53 am**

Fimero wrote:cmon now. i dont remember the math behind parry but i remember it was insignificant.

this shows how noob you are.

Posted: **Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:49 am**

very intelligent wrote:
Fimero wrote:cmon now. i dont remember the math behind parry but i remember it was insignificant.
this shows how noob you are.

without looking it up do you know it?

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