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Guys overall, do you think a warlock/cleric or a warrior/cleric(maybe rogue) is funner? Which one levels faster? Less Sp to farm? Thanks
And are warlock clerics able to tank like warrior crits without bless?

for fun i would say warrior rogue
for lvling faster
warrior cleric (parties)
less sp probably warrior rogue (not sure)

Warlock/Cleric imo is the way to go. I remember a while ago (around 1 year ago...) I saw a lvl 85 FF Warlock/Cleric go up against FF lvl 90s. And he actually won most of the time, WITHOUT having to use Offering.

Lol dont make warlock/cleric, and yes they are dead in 1 hit without bless. make a warrior cleric instead.

Tsume wrote:Warlock/Cleric imo is the way to go. I remember a while ago (around 1 year ago...) I saw a lvl 85 FF Warlock/Cleric go up against FF lvl 90s. And he actually won most of the time, WITHOUT having to use Offering.

they were probably non holy users
otherwise it would be a different story

i dont see the point of being warlock/cleric, it dies in 1 skill, what a fail build.

very intelligent wrote:i dont see the point of being warlock/cleric, it dies in 1 skill, what a fail build.

wow i hate seeing your replies
walock cleric can get 1 shotted like any pure int build
but since its warlock it can stun, sleep, slumber. since its cleric it can do hots, bless, heals, attack, offering.
this build under good hands can be amazing
but will be very hard to win against cleric builds

Fimero wrote:

very intelligent wrote:i dont see the point of being warlock/cleric, it dies in 1 skill, what a fail build.

wow i hate seeing your replies
walock cleric can get 1 shotted like any pure int build
but since its warlock it can stun, sleep, slumber. since its cleric it can do hots, bless, heals, attack, offering.
this build under good hands can be amazing
but will be very hard to win against cleric builds

Any build can tank warlock if they have good gear.

you underestimating warlocks. this is one of those build that can beat any other build if its played right. the only downside is that it takes time. pure 1v1 class

very intelligent wrote:

Fimero wrote:

very intelligent wrote:i dont see the point of being warlock/cleric, it dies in 1 skill, what a fail build.

wow i hate seeing your replies
walock cleric can get 1 shotted like any pure int build
but since its warlock it can stun, sleep, slumber. since its cleric it can do hots, bless, heals, attack, offering.
this build under good hands can be amazing
but will be very hard to win against cleric builds

Any build can tank warlock if they have good gear.

wow you are amazingly dumb
warlocks have controlling skills (sleep, slumber, stun, etc)
and they have debuff skills that lower their attack and defense.
against non holy users its a very damn good chance the warlock will win

Fimero wrote:wow you are amazingly dumb
warlocks have controlling skills (sleep, slumber, stun, etc)
and they have debuff skills that lower their attack and defense.
against non holy users its a very damn good chance the warlock will win

LOL i really laughed at your post, ANY build can own warlock with good gear, i know this by my own experience, they cant even take my hp down i just laugh at them when they say im using pills.What a fail build and they die faster then warrior clerics and rogue clerics, PURE FAIL. Your giving me good laughs though.

very intelligent wrote:

Fimero wrote:wow you are amazingly dumb
warlocks have controlling skills (sleep, slumber, stun, etc)
and they have debuff skills that lower their attack and defense.
against non holy users its a very damn good chance the warlock will win

LOL i really laughed at your post, ANY build can own warlock with good gear, i know this by my own experience, they cant even take my hp down i just laugh at them when they say im using pills.What a fail build and they die faster then warrior clerics and rogue clerics, PURE FAIL. Your giving me good laughs though.

are you kidding me?
the warlocks obviously didnt know how to play their build then
you have 1 pill as well to get rid of their effects, how many effects do they have?
any non holy user is pretty much guaranteed dead
especially if the warlock knows the glitch

They need bugs to win, what a fail build abusing bugs to win in pvp PURE FAILURE.

very intelligent wrote:They need bugs to win, what a fail build abusing bugs to win in pvp PURE FAILURE.

ohh my
they dont need the bug to win
but with it its pretty much guaranteed win.

lol yea they need bugs to win, in every pvp they abuse the warlock bugs, and they still lose lol. PURE FAILURE. And in pvp its mediocre, everything else it sucks hard.

very intelligent wrote:lol yea they need bugs to win, in every pvp they abuse the warlock bugs, and they still lose lol. PURE FAILURE. And in pvp its mediocre, everything else it sucks hard.

idk what warlocks are in your server but they are fail
i have seen +5 warclerics beat sun glaives and bladers

HAHHHAAHAHHAHAHA, Ya fimero and cows fly.Blader with full sun cannot be killed with +5 weps.Only if the vser is full sun then its possible.

very intelligent wrote:HAHHHAAHAHHAHAHA, Ya fimero and cows fly.Blader with full sun cannot be killed with +5 weps.Only if the vser is full sun then its possible.

well it happened
warlock gets them in glitch and nuke away

very intelligent wrote:HAHHHAAHAHHAHAHA, Ya fimero and cows fly.Blader with full sun cannot be killed with +5 weps.Only if the vser is full sun then its possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqE08dBc9RE
first vid i found
he beats a full (but feet) sun garment wizard
now a wizard/cleric garment has way more magic def than a sun blader
yes blader has more def but think about the damage on them

Fimero wrote:

very intelligent wrote:HAHHHAAHAHHAHAHA, Ya fimero and cows fly.Blader with full sun cannot be killed with +5 weps.Only if the vser is full sun then its possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqE08dBc9RE
first vid i found
he beats a full (but feet) sun garment wizard
now a wizard/cleric garment has way more magic def than a sun blader
yes blader has more def but think about the damage on them

He beat him with luck in the first, war/cler was about to die. And this doesn't mean Glaive will die against especially one with snow 20% and with 50k hp, bottom line is that ints even with bless can't defend full strs especially the hardest hitting ones; Glaivers and Warriors.

But I'll give that it's not a waste build, it could work out.

This is very entertaining...I'd love to see very intellegent pvp against a 100 Bower

slimshady wrote:This is very entertaining...I'd love to see very intellegent pvp against a 100 Bower

lol yea

very intelligent wrote:

Fimero wrote:

very intelligent wrote:HAHHHAAHAHHAHAHA, Ya fimero and cows fly.Blader with full sun cannot be killed with +5 weps.Only if the vser is full sun then its possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqE08dBc9RE
first vid i found
he beats a full (but feet) sun garment wizard
now a wizard/cleric garment has way more magic def than a sun blader
yes blader has more def but think about the damage on them

He beat him with luck in the first, war/cler was about to die. And this doesn't mean Glaive will die against especially one with snow 20% and with 50k hp, bottom line is that ints even with bless can't defend full strs especially the hardest hitting ones; Glaivers and Warriors.

But I'll give that it's not a waste build, it could work out.

since i dont play anymore i cant go and watch pvps
only ones i find off of youtube
which sucks cuz almost all of them are biased
but i believe a smart warlock/cleric can beat any build
and thats said with any build
as long as the player knows how to play their build against others they can win

Guys anytime ill vs str bowers, i owned with my +0 a sos +5 bower in 3 skills, i had +6 before i brake it to +0, with +6 that bower would be dead in 2 skills. LOL i laugh at str bowers, they cant kill me with a sos bow, wow what a fail.SOS bower hit me 6k with my snow on, i emperored 10k 6k windless 10k 4k and GGSSC 13k=DEAD .

i love very intelligent s post lol.
Go warlock a lock will own a glavie. Stun. vampire debuff stun curse, trap and sleep then nuke away. If he walks up juststun him again. A smart warlock wont let u even move. Plus a good warlock also uses the absolute dmg from clerics which can be very deadly. Warlocks also lv alot faster than a warrior and dare i say rogue. If you dont believe me go search up warlock grinding and warlock pvp u will see warlocks owning almost every single class

mario123 wrote:i love very intelligent s post lol.
Go warlock a lock will own a glavie. Stun. vampire debuff stun curse, trap and sleep then nuke away. If he walks up juststun him again. A smart warlock wont let u even move. Plus a good warlock also uses the absolute dmg from clerics which can be very deadly. Warlocks also lv alot faster than a warrior and dare i say rogue. If you dont believe me go search up warlock grinding and warlock pvp u will see warlocks owning almost every single class

besides clerics
they still havea chance but its way harder
is it true at 100 cap more warlock skills get through?

against clerics u can still stun dull and bleed. Plus the holy spell blocks lv 10 debuffs. If you cast vampire skill it has a lv 11 disease curse. The disease will make all ur other debuffs lv 11 so they will go through holy spell

wow guys so much dispute over warlock clerics and very intelligents so "very intelligent" posts. So...I'm guessing warrior/rogue isnt such a good choice? And does warrior/cleric or warlock/cleric or maybe even warrior/warlock all with 3 weps on the warrior have the least sp (only the needed skills for warrior).
Thanks

mario123 wrote:against clerics u can still stun dull and bleed. Plus the holy spell blocks lv 10 debuffs. If you cast vampire skill it has a lv 11 disease curse. The disease will make all ur other debuffs lv 11 so they will go through holy spell

yea i just wasnt certain about it
i remember at 90 cap warlocks didnt have a chance against clerics
they had to rely on their other tree

iluvmypk wrote:wow guys so much dispute over warlock clerics and very intelligents so "very intelligent" posts. So...I'm guessing warrior/rogue isnt such a good choice? And does warrior/cleric or warlock/cleric or maybe even warrior/warlock all with 3 weps on the warrior have the least sp (only the needed skills for warrior).
Thanks

warrior rogue is a versatile but offensive build and you have to know how to play and be able to weapon switch fast
idk which has the least sp
use a calculator