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Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:06 pm
by Knightlyx91
Im currently level 49 Pure int S/S Nuker. I have no idea what i should be, lighting ice and bich or lighting bich fire and leave ice and 40. can someone please... help me out im more of a team player rather then fight aloner.(if that makes sense) But i like to be that hardhitter when they need it the most, if you know what im talking about.

My Stats-
Fire:43
Lighting:46
Bich:42
Ice:40

im in need of something for the 100 cap i had it planned out for the previous caps but now im just confused. :banghead:

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:21 pm
by Nitro
Just do bicheon/light/ice, its great character, you dont need fire nukes - they are slightly stronger, but its not worth to get whole mastery just for slightly stronger nukes.

Bicheon with all these statuses and KD will rape anything.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:59 pm
by Knightlyx91
really? i see many people s/s that is, leveling up with lighting but use the fire nuke. its so confusing but i guess ur right. ill start deleveling my fire then.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:43 pm
by KillAndChill
Most people go fire for not only the better nukes, but a stronger imbue, mag def increase, immunity, and firewall. Phys dmg increase can be helpful too.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:44 pm
by SkyCleaver
Well if u group pvp a lot, you can go fire/light as long as u have a cleric at ur back, but that will epic fail in 1v1 pvp tho

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:58 am
by Kittye
Here are some example builds of a nuker

100 Light / 100 Cold / 100 Bicheon
100 Light / 100 Cold / 100 Force
100 Fire / 100 Light / 100 Cold
100 Fire / 100 Bicheon / 66 Cold / 44 Light

I have no real ideas about nukers but my friend tells me that 100 Light / 100 Bicheon / 100 Cold is the best standard way to go for a nuker, its good in PvP, PvE and jobs etc. If you want to group PvP then he says go with 100 Light / 100 Cold / 100 Force and if you want a specific set up for something else then you have to play around with masterys yourself.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:08 pm
by _Scarlett_
Well, you could go the standardized (since 80skill/euro were added) 100 Bicheon/100 Light/100 Cold; It's a balanced build good at PvE and PvP; Decent in group pvp, and can stand alone decently if need be.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:15 pm
by Knightlyx91
thanks i started deleveling my fire already. im going with the 100bich/100light/100ice

thanks everyone :D

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:20 am
by -.-
keep fire for now, helps lvl since it is higher damage :S

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:54 pm
by SroAvatar
[quote="Kittye"]Here are some example builds of a nuker

100 Light / 100 Cold / 100 Bicheon
100 Light / 100 Cold / 100 Force
100 Fire / 100 Light / 100 Cold
100 Fire / 100 Bicheon / 66 Cold / 44 Light

little correction, hehe, that would be 310lv mastery total. But i think it will suck anyway ( the same with 60 cold 40 light) because int really need that snow shield, and if you want fire badly then just drop light. ( personally: I HATE BEING SLOW ! XD)

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:18 pm
by warfire6395
Fire > lightning.

immunity, higher physical damage, higher magical defense, fire wall, and stronger imbue/nukes outweighs magical damage increase, parry ratio increase, and speed.

Fire offers you firewall, which does wonders toward pvping a str.
Fire offers you immunity, which is quite important toward 1v1 pvp.
fire offers you higher damage output, :roll:

the only thing that fire cannot make up for is parry ratio. so its rlly

parry ratio vs higher damage, immunity, and higher magical defense.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:10 am
by Snazzi
Another build is fire / cold / bicheon. You get good, strong nukes and u have the ability to survive quite well aswell.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:48 pm
by VeniVidiVici
warfire6395 wrote:Fire > lightning.

immunity, higher physical damage, higher magical defense, fire wall, and stronger imbue/nukes outweighs magical damage increase, parry ratio increase, and speed.

Fire offers you firewall, which does wonders toward pvping a str.
Fire offers you immunity, which is quite important toward 1v1 pvp.
fire offers you higher damage output, :roll:

the only thing that fire cannot make up for is parry ratio. so its rlly

parry ratio vs higher damage, immunity, and higher magical defense.

Fire couldn't make up the loss of mag dmg with bicheon skills.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:17 am
by aznronin
People told me BIch/Fire/Cold

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:45 am
by Europe
yeah, either bicheon/light/cold or bicheon/cold/fire.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:00 am
by warfire6395
Fire couldn't make up the loss of mag dmg with bicheon skills.

how much are you losing?

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:58 am
by VeniVidiVici
about 15% dmg loss with bicheon skills since you still get phy dmg increase.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:39 am
by warfire6395
VeniVidiVici wrote:about 15% dmg loss with bicheon skills since you still get phy dmg increase.


wait so your saying that at cap. with 19% physical damage increase, im actually losing 15% magical damage?

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:32 pm
by Nitro
warfire6395 wrote:
VeniVidiVici wrote:about 15% dmg loss with bicheon skills since you still get phy dmg increase.


wait so your saying that at cap. with 19% physical damage increase, im actually losing 15% magical damage?


If you are full Int, your physical damage means nothing.
The damage comes from imbue, not from bicheon skills.
Opposite thing for full STR, damage comes from bicheon skils.

Thats why for full Int its perferably to have Lightning (with magical damage increase),
and for full Str to have Fire (physical damage increase)

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:53 pm
by warfire6395
Nitro wrote:
warfire6395 wrote:
VeniVidiVici wrote:about 15% dmg loss with bicheon skills since you still get phy dmg increase.


wait so your saying that at cap. with 19% physical damage increase, im actually losing 15% magical damage?


If you are full Int, your physical damage means nothing.
The damage comes from imbue, not from bicheon skills.
Opposite thing for full STR, damage comes from bicheon skils.

Thats why for full Int its perferably to have Lightning (with magical damage increase),
and for full Str to have Fire (physical damage increase)


right so, overall light is better i guess?

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:04 pm
by VeniVidiVici
Light owns together with bicheon skills (which you will use alot in pvp), Fire own with nukes (which you will use more in PvE), although light nukes are great too. Also Fire gives immunity, but Light gives mobility. You could take 100 bicheon 100 light 89 ice 11 fire for immunity tho, or 100bicheon 99 light 90 ice 11 fire. 89 -> 90 ice gives about 120 phy def. 99-100 light gives a bit more dmg since imbue, nuke and shout are maxed at 100 & you're losing 2 parry ratio lol.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:13 pm
by Nitro
warfire6395 wrote:right so, overall light is better i guess?


You cannot fail anyhow, but if you ask me, Light/Ice is way to go.

Re: Alright i need a true nukers perspective

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:56 pm
by Ownage
Atm I am leveling a 100light/cold/bich and it's going good, trust me you don't want to go fire. You lose a lot of speed and makes leveling slower, also more importantly you lose lion shout! Its great against wiz and you can use it to finish something quick. Fire is better in PvP against int builds. Many people try to prove fire over lightning by pvping an int, usually in an int (light) vs int (fire) the fire would win due to the extra fire def. and fire wall. But PvPing with str builds or hybrids the results will be very different!