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Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:56 pm
by ToxiCity
hmm, I was wondering...
Would : 110pach / 110 fire / 80 light, be ideal for the 110 cap?
even tho you drop the 20 ice and dont get snow shield.. Idk.
Decided to think ahead and farm the sp for 110cap.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:36 pm
by Vinyl
90 light/20 ice?
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:50 am
by kukreknecmi
Go for 60light 20 cold if it matters, still not bad imo. And definitly 110 fire and pacheon, no any other option for this. %19 phy buf at 110 cap and %22 at 120. str chars will be stronger (at least deal better dmg) and int's will suffer i guess.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:00 pm
by ToxiCity
Vinyl - rofl at ur avatar hahah
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:36 pm
by Insanity
110 pach / 110 fire / 80 ice.
no need for light.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:19 pm
by TheSlink
Insanity wrote:110 pach / 110 fire / 80 ice.
no need for light.
No need for 80 Cold. You get a pathetic Physical Defence buff. Ice isnt worth it until 90.
Go with 90 Light/20 Cold. You would NOT notice a differnce.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:59 pm
by xRancourx
What about 110 pach/ 110 fire/ 90 ice/ 20 light???
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:16 pm
by Buddhist
xRancourx wrote:What about 110 pach/ 110 fire/ 90 ice/ 20 light???
Because it is 90 lightning 20 cold. 20 lightning is useless.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:15 pm
by XMoshe
This thread is made before we knew about the mastery cap upgrade that's why they only use 300 masteries.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:30 am
by yoyoyo8
xRancourx wrote:What about 110 pach/ 110 fire/ 90 ice/ 20 light???
that is a good one too because you have 18% magical and and will have little more speed and ghost walk unless you go for force.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:32 am
by Buddhist
yoyoyo8 wrote:xRancourx wrote:What about 110 pach/ 110 fire/ 90 ice/ 20 light???
that is a good one too because you have 18% magical and and will have little more speed and ghost walk unless you go for force.
what?
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:32 pm
by provincy
how bout 110/pach/fire/light ?
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:48 am
by Criticals
provincy wrote:how bout 110/pach/fire/light ?
or 110 pach/fire/force
nice one for pvp
I'm farming a bower too atm, I think im going 110 pach/fire 90 light 20 cold.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:52 am
by provincy
i think 110pach/fire/light is gunna be great if i ever get that high
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:12 am
by wattkow
So no one likes cold anymore?
And check out my full str bower
only at level 14
You can almost see her nude
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:39 pm
by Snazzi
ToxiCity wrote:Vinyl - rofl at ur ban hahah
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:22 pm
by BuDo
Ice bow for me...I deleted a good char out of necessity (check sig). Kinda regretful but I will make another. Ice/Pach/Force might be a very good build...its highly defensive and full of debilitating status effects...from ice and from force. But it sucks not having light for movement.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:40 pm
by XMoshe
BuDo wrote:Ice bow for me...I deleted a good char out of necessity (check sig). Kinda regretful but I will make another. Ice/Pach/Force might be a very good build...its highly defensive and full of debilitating status effects...from ice and from force. But it sucks not having light for movement.
A pure str char needs Fire for the 18 something % phy dmg increase. So unless you're planning to go int I'd switch ice for fire.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 3:56 am
by wattkow
XMoshe wrote:BuDo wrote:Ice bow for me...I deleted a good char out of necessity (check sig). Kinda regretful but I will make another. Ice/Pach/Force might be a very good build...its highly defensive and full of debilitating status effects...from ice and from force. But it sucks not having light for movement.
A pure str char needs Fire for the 18 something % phy dmg increase. So unless you're planning to go int I'd switch ice for fire.
But what about 100Pach/100Fire/100Ice? Is the freezing and frostbite ability not worth as much as burn ability?
Sorry, I haven't played this game since there were only 3 servers.
Thanks.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:10 am
by BuDo
wattkow wrote:XMoshe wrote:BuDo wrote:Ice bow for me...I deleted a good char out of necessity (check sig). Kinda regretful but I will make another. Ice/Pach/Force might be a very good build...its highly defensive and full of debilitating status effects...from ice and from force. But it sucks not having light for movement.
A pure str char needs Fire for the 18 something % phy dmg increase. So unless you're planning to go int I'd switch ice for fire.
But what about 100Pach/100Fire/100Ice? Is the freezing and frostbite ability not worth as much as burn ability?
Sorry, I haven't played this game since there were only 3 servers.
Thanks.
He's talking about the passive phy damage increase of fire.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:13 am
by wattkow
BuDo wrote:He's talking about the passive phy damage increase of fire.
Alright. What do you suggest? Fire imbue or cold imbue?
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:19 am
by BuDo
XMoshe wrote:BuDo wrote:Ice bow for me...I deleted a good char out of necessity (check sig). Kinda regretful but I will make another. Ice/Pach/Force might be a very good build...its highly defensive and full of debilitating status effects...from ice and from force. But it sucks not having light for movement.
A pure str char needs Fire for the 18 something % phy dmg increase. So unless you're planning to go int I'd switch ice for fire.
A pure str can do without that extra 18% because as a pure str you gots lots of phy damage. A freeze will allow me one more turn to attack which will equate to more than an extra 18%. The only problem is that 18% is guaranteed while freezing is a percent probability. But with force you get to weaken your opponent so your damage increases from that.
I feel the more debilitating effects you have the more attack turns you get. Its a good strategy to leave your opponent weak and miserable.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:21 am
by BuDo
wattkow wrote:BuDo wrote:He's talking about the passive phy damage increase of fire.
Alright. What do you suggest? Fire imbue or cold imbue?
Choose which ever you want and test it out...Then switch if it doesn't work for you.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:59 am
by wattkow
BuDo wrote:XMoshe wrote:BuDo wrote:Ice bow for me...I deleted a good char out of necessity (check sig). Kinda regretful but I will make another. Ice/Pach/Force might be a very good build...its highly defensive and full of debilitating status effects...from ice and from force. But it sucks not having light for movement.
A pure str char needs Fire for the 18 something % phy dmg increase. So unless you're planning to go int I'd switch ice for fire.
A pure str can do without that extra 18% because as a pure str you gots lots of phy damage. A freeze will allow me one more turn to attack which will equate to more than an extra 18%. The only problem is that 18% is guaranteed while freezing is a percent probability. But with force you get to weaken your opponent so your damage increases from that.
I feel the more debilitating effects you have the more attack turns you get. Its a good strategy to leave your opponent weak and miserable.
Excellent points. The percentage chance of freezing them and giving them frostbite provides more turns for one to attack and force weakens them; thus, further increasing damage done.
So 100Pach/100Cold/100Force?
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:52 am
by Snazzi
^No. I would still go cold / fire / pach, I wouldn't sarcifice fire for cold with a pure str. Possibilty with an int, but Imo, not a str char.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 11:09 am
by XMoshe
A pure str is a sitting duck without fire, sure you have massive hp but with shitty mag def (even in garms) you will get painfull nukes. I have a 80/20 Fire/Ice Force Archer and sure it has 80 Fire and garms but nukes still hit ALOT, imagine 0 Fire...Also the added immunity and fire wall are more usefull than ice wall IMO
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 11:55 am
by Snazzi
XMoshe wrote:A pure str is a sitting duck without fire, sure you have massive hp but with shitty mag def (even in garms) you will get painfull nukes. I have a 80/20 Fire/Ice Force Archer and sure it has 80 Fire and garms but nukes still hit ALOT, imagine 0 Fire...Also the added immunity and fire wall are more usefull than ice wall IMO
See
Moshey agrees with me
I must be right !
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 6:11 pm
by wattkow
So force isn't that great? Or only for PvE?
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:00 pm
by Snazzi
Force is only good for pvp, and half the time they half holy spell. It can help if you're vsing a giant, or something, but other than that, doesn't really help for pve.
Re: Pure STR Bower 110 Cap ~~
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:14 am
by BuDo
When I make these decisions I always think about the goal of any player in this game (including myself) and that goal is to get the best possible gear and weapon. Not everyone will get nice gear but we all believe we can. With that said I don't worry too much about not having fire to defend myself from nukes or having ice because it's the weakest imbue.
The ultimate build is the one that has a real good defense and offense combined with the ability to stop/deter/weaken their opponent. I let getting good gear take care of offense and defense then go for the debilitating effects like ice and force. In other words Xmoshe...A sun garment set takes care of what having fire could have. Even more so.