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potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:28 am
by Grim_Soul
So I am making myself a pure int s/s nuker currently for this cap... 100 bich/ 100 Light/ 100 Ice.... but what would be good next cap... I was thinking dropping bich down to 80 and then capping off the 2 elements... sound good?
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:47 am
by VeniVidiVici
nah, you could better drop ice to 80 and still have the 50% dmg absorb. You could go prot to compensate the lack of phy defence.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:52 am
by Tasdik
VeniVidiVici wrote:nah, you could better drop ice to 80 and still have the 50% dmg absorb. You could go prot to compensate the lack of phy defence.
A pure int s/s with ice 30 levels lower then the cap = fail.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:01 am
by BaronSengir
110 bicheon 110 fire 80 ice
i guess wear armor + buy speed pots / scrolls
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:59 am
by Pan_Raider(`_´)
Tasdik wrote:VeniVidiVici wrote:nah, you could better drop ice to 80 and still have the 50% dmg absorb. You could go prot to compensate the lack of phy defence.
A pure int s/s with ice 30 levels lower then the cap = fail.
110 bich/ice light:
most defensive imbue
less mag att.+ less speed
and ice nukes instead of light nukesin exchange for
higher phys defence
higher snow shieldneither seems very good since you can only max 2 skill trees now
as a full int that has been full force, i wont have problems proceeding with max ice/light and 60 fire for immunity
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:55 pm
by nohunta
Lemme get this straight he's a nuker but you want him to drop his nukes? i lol'd.
110Ice/110Light/80Bich Your a nuker, you shoulda knew you had to drop weapon skills at some point in time.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:42 pm
by TillTheEnd
nohunta wrote:Lemme get this straight he's a nuker but you want him to drop his nukes? i lol'd.
110Ice/110Light/80Bich Your a nuker, you shoulda knew you had to drop weapon skills at some point in time.
LOL.
so what ur saying is on Final caps nukers will just.
A: nuke
B: nuke
C: Nuke some more
D: Nuke again, while all other builds can interrupt ur atks and u just stand there as a sitting target.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:27 pm
by akjoh
TillTheEnd wrote:so what ur saying is on Final caps nukers will just.
A: nuke
B: nuke
C: Nuke some more
D: Nuke again, while all other builds can interrupt ur atks and u just stand there as a sitting target
XD
nukers job is to nuke
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:30 am
by Jaapii
110light/ice 80bich is the way to go
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:54 pm
by fckerr
110 bich 110 light 80 cold , so dont bother keeping cold @ 80 from now.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:01 pm
by VeniVidiVici
Why the H would you get 80 bicheon: KD's will almost never work because of the (I don't even bother to explain but read the skill description), Statuses won't work since they are too low. Only thing is castle shield but since it's 30 lvls below cap it will hardly be noticable.
Conclusion: Max bicheon or skip it.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:36 pm
by nohunta
VeniVidiVici wrote:Why the H would you get 80 bicheon: KD's will almost never work because of the (I don't even bother to explain but read the skill description), Statuses won't work since they are too low. Only thing is castle shield but since it's 30 lvls below cap it will hardly be noticable.
Conclusion: Max bicheon or skip it.
Hell drop it and go fire. Bicheon wasnt meant for nukers anyway because they are SUPPOSED to nuke. Yes they Nuke Nuke Nuke Their asses off. If you want bicheon past 100 cap go blader. Its honestly pointless now to keep Bicheon.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:40 pm
by TillTheEnd
nohunta wrote:VeniVidiVici wrote:Why the H would you get 80 bicheon: KD's will almost never work because of the (I don't even bother to explain but read the skill description), Statuses won't work since they are too low. Only thing is castle shield but since it's 30 lvls below cap it will hardly be noticable.
Conclusion: Max bicheon or skip it.
Hell drop it and go fire. Bicheon wasnt meant for nukers anyway because they are SUPPOSED to nuke. Yes they Nuke Nuke Nuke Their asses off. If you want bicheon past 100 cap go blader. Its honestly pointless now to keep Bicheon.
no offense but u are and idiot, well if you want to loose in pvp 99.999999% of the times drop bicheon.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:03 pm
by sinny
something like 100bich/90cold/110light, who says you must max 2 masteries? just gotta tweak ur masteries a little to get the needed skills... this is just 1 example
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:29 pm
by Nyima
akjoh wrote:TillTheEnd wrote:so what ur saying is on Final caps nukers will just.
A: nuke
B: nuke
C: Nuke some more
D: Nuke again, while all other builds can interrupt ur atks and u just stand there as a sitting target
XD
nukers job is to nuke
If all a nuker does is nuke, then he will be sucking pretty bad at his "job". Nukers do best with a combination of Bich skills and nukes.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:07 am
by warfire6395
110/120 will come together from what i have heard. so prepare for 120.
my best advice would be bicheon/cold then 60 light
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:25 am
by Hellraider
The difference between lvl0 bicheon and lvl80 bicheon is almost none at 110 cap
your damage will be so weak, your debuffs will almost never land, your KD's will almost never land.
110 Light, 110 Bich, 80 Ice is the way to go.. Anyone not being able to survive with 50% snow shield is just a sucky pvper
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:52 pm
by muyo
i heard somewhere force tree has this stun/sleep(?).Not sure though...but switch to Force+Nuke Tree then?
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:15 pm
by EcsTasY
nohunta wrote:Lemme get this straight he's a nuker but you want him to drop his nukes? i lol'd.
110Ice/110Light/80Bich Your a nuker, you shoulda knew you had to drop weapon skills at some point in time.
100% disagree. Weapon skills are the last thing you wanna drop imo, unless you really love force nuker. If it were me, I'd drop cold to 80. I know its tough to lose that much defense but its still 50% snow, and its better than losing all that offense.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:18 pm
by EcsTasY
warfire6395 wrote:110/120 will come together from what i have heard. so prepare for 120.
my best advice would be bicheon/cold then 60 light
I highly doubt that. They aren't in that big of a hurry to get silkroad 2 released that they have to finish the first that quick.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:10 pm
by sinny
sigh... again, THERE IS NO NEED TO MAX 2 MASTERIES!! is there a big difference from 100bicheon to 110 bicheon for a nuker? i dont think so, unless they come out some crazy skills. Do nukers need to that much snow shield? 60%+? no! around mastery level 90 give you about 53-54% with better phys def and stronger icewall than mastery 80, and of course, light must be maxed. i dont understand why are u guys still arguing over maxing bicheon or maxing cold... and i doubt 120cap is gonna come out with 110 cap lol, and 110 cap is not gonna come out any time soon.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:31 pm
by EcsTasY
sinny wrote:sigh... again, THERE IS NO NEED TO MAX 2 MASTERIES!! is there a big difference from 100bicheon to 110 bicheon for a nuker? i dont think so, unless they come out some crazy skills. Do nukers need to that much snow shield? 60%+? no! around mastery level 90 give you about 53-54% with better phys def and stronger icewall than mastery 80, and of course, light must be maxed. i dont understand why are u guys still arguing over maxing bicheon or maxing cold... and i doubt 120cap is gonna come out with 110 cap lol, and 110 cap is not gonna come out any time soon.
110 bicheon = up-to-date debuffs, actual 50% kd, and yes, new skills. I agree that 60%+ snow shield is too much, considering that snow shield takes more mp than your actually hit for.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:34 pm
by Cadaver
110 light (new nuke)
100 Bich ( chain and twin energy smash)
90 Cold ( snow shield and phy buff)
Cold is te big question, it depends on how much phy deff gives on 110
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:35 pm
by Pan_Raider(`_´)
Cadaver wrote:110 light (new nuke)
100 Bich ( chain and twin energy smash)
90 Cold ( snow shield and phy buff)
Cold is te big question, it depends on how much phy deff gives on 110
at lvl 110 for
cold--> buff (237) + passive (237)=
474 phys defence + --> snow shield =
63% absorption (skill at lvl 109)
compared to light
--> mag attack buff = +19% (1% difference to lvl 100 skills)
--> speed = 95% (+28% from lvl 100 skills)
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:07 pm
by sinny
Cadaver wrote:110 light (new nuke)
100 Bich ( chain and twin energy smash)
90 Cold ( snow shield and phy buff)
Cold is te big question, it depends on how much phy deff gives on 110
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:10 am
by Bobby
sinny wrote:Cadaver wrote:110 light (new nuke)
100 Bich ( chain and twin energy smash)
90 Cold ( snow shield and phy buff)
Cold is te big question, it depends on how much phy deff gives on 110
I would personally sacrifice 10 cold for an extra 10 bicheon. Apart from the fact tht u need it to have the higher lvl debuffs, u lose the 50% chance of kd. 80 Cold is slightly low but 50% snow shield is decent enuf.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:50 am
by Thomas42
Having debuffs with status effects one level lower than needed is like not having those debuffs.
For example a level 9 status (lets say it has 20% probability, like the stuff on lightning chain) will work with next to nothing efficiency even on level 95-96 opponents. So, in my opinion, maxed bicheon is a must. The easiest combination will probably be something with heuksal instead of bicheon anyway. Perhaps 110 heuksal/110 cold/80 fire or 80 light.
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:32 pm
by meluto
warfire6395 wrote:110/120 will come together from what i have heard. so prepare for 120.
my best advice would be bicheon/cold then 60 light
Agree 100%
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:26 pm
by salmissra
hmm for a 110 cap i would go 110 light/110 bicheon/ 80 ice..but then again im making a slightly hybrid s/s so that 50% snow shield is more than enough.
But for 120 cap it gets a bit more hard..i would like to keep the 80 ice..and have to get 120 light/100bicheon or 120 bicheon/100light.
Yes eventhough im a nuker, i rely heavily on my status/KD+stabs to own ;D
IMO...just nuking nuking is a fail option. It might be fine against uncapped players with crappy gear but if your fighting a capped FF'ed player...most of the time you'll get owned. especially if your snow shield runs out..then you'll just be a chinese wizard essentially ><
Re: potential mastery combination for 110 cap....
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:00 pm
by EcsTasY
If you are planning for the 120 cap, which is a loooong ways off. Just got 100, and we still have to get through 110. But, if you are planning that far, I'd say start going hybrid and keep lowering cold down to 60. I don't think the cold nukes with the cold imbue will be enough damage at 120 cap...keep light max and of course keep weapon tree maxed too, that's just obvious.