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Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:08 pm
by Cepiii
I like both and fire and light but still dont know what to chose ^^
Please help, Vote and coment
Thanks all
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:11 pm
by ChainOfGod
Option 2 if you want to do better overall
Option 1 if you want to fight against int characters
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:15 pm
by .curve
Light. Parry ratio buff + Mag Damage buff + Speed.
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:15 pm
by Kolossal
bicheon/fire 100 light 60 and cold 40?
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:21 pm
by ChainOfGod
i still think option 1.
i dont think 100 fire/bicheon with 60 light and 40 cold works..
less defense?
less speed/mag damage?
i mean, i guess it'd work cuz its like having what, 10-12% mag increase with the fire nuke capped.
but the speed/parry ratio =O
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:22 pm
by TheKnight
100 Bicheon/Lightning/Cold
Bicheon: Nice Fightning Skills like Chains and Skills For a shield
Lightning: Imblue, Mag.atk.pwr Increase buff, Speed Buff, Teleport, Parry Ratio Increase, Nuke
Cold: Phy.def buff, Slowing skill(s), Frost Wall, Snow Shield, Nuke (atleast Ice Rain)
Cold and Shield gives you good defence, Lightning has parry ratio increase and magical damage buuf so you are quite strong and defense is not great weakness.
I should say you use protector because 10% MP reduce and 10% Movment, armor doesn't give any bonusses.
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:26 pm
by ekamatje
If i were you i would go for:
100 Light for mag dmg, speed, parry, imbue and nukes
100 Bicheon for kd, statuses and all the other nice blade things
60 Cold so you can have 40% snow shield and just enough to get 80 phy def from passive and buff
40 Fire so you can get immune to most statuses and have a nice little extra mag def
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:53 pm
by Pan_Raider(`_´)
Bicheon 100/Cold 100/ Fire 100
SP total: 1,538,338 SP
pros:
-very high defence (phys and mag.)
- high damage from the fire nukes and fir imbue
- both walls for either str or int based euros
- high snow shield
contra:
- no speed (need of speed drugs)
Bicheon 100/Cold 100/ Light 100
SP total: 1,673,877 SP
pros:
- speed
- phys defence
- high snow shield
contras:
- lack of high hitting nukes (cold hits low and light cant outdamage fire)
- no fire wall for phys based euros
for both, weapon gives
- the debuffs with the chains,
- block with the shield
- phys. defence buff for 15 seconds from shield
- knockdown
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:56 pm
by ekamatje
Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:Bicheon 100/Cold 100/ Fire 100
SP total: 1,538,338 SP
pros:
-very high defence (phys and mag.)
- high damage from the fire nukes and fir imbue
- both walls for either str or int based euros
- high snow shield
contra:
- no speed (need of speed drugs)
Bicheon 100/Cold 100/ Light 100
SP total: 1,673,877 SP
pros:
- speed
- phys defence
- high snow shield
contras:
- lack of high hitting nukes (cold hits low and light cant outdamage fire)
- no fire wall for phys based euros
for both, weapon gives
- the debuffs with the chains,
- block with the shield
- phys. defence buff for 15 seconds from shield
- knockdown
Nice to see pro's and con's but im missing one thing, light will also give the 17% (or something) extra mag dmg, wont the total dmg of bich/light/cold be higher if you have a maxed light nuke with extra mag dmg?
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:57 pm
by Cepiii
thanks all! i think i'm gonna go the 2nd option
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:09 pm
by Pan_Raider(`_´)
ekamatje wrote:Nice to see pro's and con's but im missing one thing, light will also give the 17% (or something) extra mag dmg, wont the total dmg of bich/light/cold be higher if you have a maxed light nuke with extra mag dmg?
nope,
fire imbue damage is about 10-15% higher than light imbue
the strongest fire nuke has about 30% more damage than the latest light nuke.
so fire is still about as high or higher
and even if the new cranes thunderbolt does more damage than a same lvled fire nuke:
-it has less range
-it isnt as quick as the fire nukes
-light only has 1 up to date nuke at all times.
and as for missing lion shout: cut blade skills can make up for those instead
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:19 pm
by robink
Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:ekamatje wrote:Nice to see pro's and con's but im missing one thing, light will also give the 17% (or something) extra mag dmg, wont the total dmg of bich/light/cold be higher if you have a maxed light nuke with extra mag dmg?
nope,
fire imbue damage is about 10-15% higher than light imbue
the strongest fire nuke has about 30% more damage than the latest light nuke.
so fire is still about as high or higher
and even if the new cranes thunderbolt does more damage than a same lvled fire nuke:
-it has less range
-it isnt as quick as the fire nukes
-light only has 1 up to date nuke at all times.
and as for missing lion shout: cut blade skills can make up for those instead
i agree that fire nukes are alot better than lightning
but the fire nukes dont deal +30% more dmg as many people will think now :p
lightning has 300% fire 330% /
/ so thats only 10% dmg incraese
but then lightning got better ...~... dmg so if you have a good attack rating on your wep lightning will also deal great dmg
-if a fire/cold/bich pvp a light/cold/bich
i think it wont matter alot
btw try this: if you see the stats on lets say your chest it says:
128 phy defence as example
now go check your stats on when you click on C
phy defence is like 600 when you unequip your chest its 400 and not 472
but phy/mag buffs like cold/fire say example 60phy when its on you get 660phy
i hope you understand my point
better gear is more important then the phy/mag buffs ^^
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:37 pm
by ekamatje
robink wrote:but the fire nukes dont deal +30% more dmg as many people will think now :p
lightning has 300% fire 330% /
/ so thats only 10% dmg incraese
but then lightning got better ...~... dmg so if you have a good attack rating on your wep lightning will also deal great dmg
-if a fire/cold/bich pvp a light/cold/bich
i think it wont matter alot
btw try this: if you see the stats on lets say your chest it says:
128 phy defence as example
now go check your stats on when you click on C
phy defence is like 600 when you unequip your chest its 400 and not 472
but phy/mag buffs like cold/fire say example 60phy when its on you get 660phy
i hope you understand my point
better gear is more important then the phy/mag buffs ^^
The fact that def of gear is higher then it shows on the item itself is because you also get extra int/str so more def ^^
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:40 pm
by Pan_Raider(`_´)
robink wrote:i agree that fire nukes are alot better than lightning
but the fire nukes dont deal +30% more dmg as many people will think now :p
lightning has 300% fire 330% /
/ so thats only 10% dmg incraese
?--> 330-300= 30%but then lightning got better ...~... dmg so if you have a good attack rating on your wep lightning will also deal great dmg
big damage spectrum, yes, but fire has a higher minimum damage so you tend to hit higher than light more often-if a fire/cold/bich pvp a light/cold/bich
i think it wont matter alot
btw try this: if you see the stats on lets say your chest it says:
128 phy defence as example
now go check your stats on when you click on C
phy defence is like 600 when you unequip your chest its 400 and not 472
phys/mag reinforce -.- but phy/mag buffs like cold/fire say example 60phy when its on you get 660phy
i hope you understand my point
better gear is more important then the phy/mag buffs
^^
raw defence over parry ratio anytime,
try this:
fire mag. def. buff lvl 95--> +246 mag. defence
ice def. buff+ passive lvl 96--> +290 phys defence
compared to chinese armor boots lvl 95 with stats at +(0)%:
Black Tiger Footgear
lvl 95
phys. defence: 157.7
mag. defence:206.4
phys reinforce:26.0
mag reinforce:34.1
durability:93
parry:14
you will see that (without reinforce) the mag. buff is a bit better and the phys. buff is loads better
and while parry increases the probability of you taking less damage, the defence buffs actually eliminate the probability of attacks hitting over a certain amount of damage and decrease the max damage
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:18 pm
by timmyla90
Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:robink wrote:i agree that fire nukes are alot better than lightning
but the fire nukes dont deal +30% more dmg as many people will think now :p
lightning has 300% fire 330% /
/ so thats only 10% dmg incraese ?--> 330-300= 30%
but then lightning got better ...~... dmg so if you have a good attack rating on your wep lightning will also deal great dmg big damage spectrum, yes, but fire has a higher minimum damage so you tend to hit higher than light more often
-if a fire/cold/bich pvp a light/cold/bich
i think it wont matter alot
330-30 = 30. 30/300 = 10%.
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:38 pm
by Pan_Raider(`_´)
oh, was looking at the difference from another point of view
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:38 pm
by robink
timmyla90 wrote:Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:robink wrote:i agree that fire nukes are alot better than lightning
but the fire nukes dont deal +30% more dmg as many people will think now :p
lightning has 300% fire 330% /
/ so thats only 10% dmg incraese ?--> 330-300= 30%
but then lightning got better ...~... dmg so if you have a good attack rating on your wep lightning will also deal great dmg big damage spectrum, yes, but fire has a higher minimum damage so you tend to hit higher than light more often
-if a fire/cold/bich pvp a light/cold/bich
i think it wont matter alot
330-30 = 30. 30/300 = 10%.
correct (Y)
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:28 pm
by sunstaff
Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:Bicheon 100/Cold 100/ Fire 100
SP total: 1,538,338 SP
pros:
-very high defence (phys and mag.)
- high damage from the fire nukes and fir imbue
- both walls for either str or int based euros
- high snow shield
contra:
- no speed (need of speed drugs)
Bicheon 100/Cold 100/ Light 100
SP total: 1,673,877 SP
pros:
- speed
- phys defence
- high snow shield
contras:
- lack of high hitting nukes (cold hits low and light cant outdamage fire)
- no fire wall for phys based euros
for both, weapon gives
- the debuffs with the chains,
- block with the shield
- phys. defence buff for 15 seconds from shield
- knockdown
I would choose lighnining nuker , but seeing pros and contras from this post , fire seems alot better to me.
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:47 pm
by Jaapii
Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:Bicheon 100/Cold 100/ Fire 100
SP total: 1,538,338 SP
pros:
-very high defence (phys and mag.)
- high damage from the fire nukes and fir imbue
- both walls for either str or int based euros
- high snow shield
contra:
- no speed (need of speed drugs)
- NO magical atk increase buff, thus u'll end up hitting LESS than the other build
Bicheon 100/Cold 100/ Light 100
SP total: 1,673,877 SP
pros:
- speed
- phys defence
- high snow shield
contras:
- lack of high hitting nukes (cold hits low and light cant outdamage fire)
- no fire wall for phys based euros
for both, weapon gives
- the debuffs with the chains,
- block with the shield
- phys. defence buff for 15 seconds from shield
- knockdown
fixed!
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:18 pm
by Pan_Raider(`_´)
you forgot the stronger imbue and higher % on nukes -.-
till the 22% mag attack buff increase, fire is better
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 1:10 am
by noobert mclagg
I would go fire, it pumps out a lot of heavy damage, you hav 2 different walls at your disposal, and the fire and ice combo has better defense then the light and ice combo. The only major thing you loose out on is speed.
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:25 am
by dutchleader
Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:you forgot the stronger imbue and higher % on nukes -.-
till the 22% mag attack buff increase, fire is better
Fire imbue dmg is relatively low compared to your nukes right? So you wont notice the difference in imbue to much I think. Thing is altough the 1st lightning nuke might compete with the 1st strongest fire. The 2nd , 3rd strongest light nukes are no where close to the 2nd, 3rd fire nukes.
Anyway fire for more variation in nukes and light for better mobility. I would go 100 fire/light/cold personally
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Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 9:23 am
by jyushinshuu
imbue is very helpfull for ex" pure str glaiver with imbue does 30%+ more damage than w/o imbue.
then it would make a lot better damage if you are pure int.
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 2:29 pm
by kreisimees
Go light/cold/bich, then someone can mess up your pvp by purely freezing you over and over again due to the lack of immunity.
Fire/cold/bich ftw!
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 3:34 pm
by abudan
if u people ever pvp-ed someone who knows u dont have fire-shield and he starts using ice-imbue, u will know how farked up u are without fire-shield.
weapon/light/cold 100 = turk's build 
if ur smart,
take weapon 100 light 100 cold 70 fire 30good luck and no offence to turks
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 9:29 pm
by Bobby
abudan wrote:if u people ever pvp-ed someone who knows u dont have fire-shield and he starts using ice-imbue, u will know how farked up u are without fire-shield.
weapon/light/cold 100 = turk's build if ur smart,
take weapon 100 light 100 cold 70 fire 30good luck and no offence to turks
IMO 30 fire is not worth it. I would go Weapon 100/Light 99/Cold 90/Fire 11 if u want immunity
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:08 am
by jyushinshuu
abudan wrote:if u people ever pvp-ed someone who knows u dont have fire-shield and he starts using ice-imbue, u will know how farked up u are without fire-shield.
weapon/light/cold 100 = turk's build if ur smart,
take weapon 100 light 100 cold 70 fire 30good luck and no offence to turks
the noobest build i ever heard. do even have a char 80++?
if you don't max a skill tree then don' bother getting it.
go bich/fire/cold maxed. best pure int chinese build for me.
Re: Nuker, what to chose?
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:50 pm
by EcsTasY
Kolossal wrote:bicheon/fire 100 light 60 and cold 40?
More geared towards a hybrid, cold 40 would only be low 30%'s snow shield. Also, the phys def is negligible.