warlock/cleric build

[Razorx]

I'm bored with my lvl 75 chinese nuker and i'm planning to make a new Eu charactor. A friend of mine told me to make a warlock/cleric so i can useful in group fight which i dun really understand what he means. I really enjoy doing pvp and i want to know if there is anyone here experience enough to comment on this build pvp capabilites and how can it be useful in group fights before i start farming... I have tried looking for high lvl warlock/cleric outside dh and jg, but i can find none. so sad

[SirSengir]

They're probably grinding

[Tasdik]

pros: great for grinding as zerk is refilled about every min-min and a half sometimes. ive even done it in as lil as 3 mobs. soloing still isnt that great as its a euro, but ppl love locks in pts so theres not much of a reason to do that. has just enough cleric skills to cleric in pt grinds, maybe not group pvp although at 90 with holy RD and healing orbit it might work. can wear LA which is good against strs players or mobs
cons: shitload of sp to farm even with the few cleric skills it has. no speed buff or noise from a bard, and obviously has pot delay.

[Advancechao]

pros: great for grinding as zerk is refilled about every min-min and a half sometimes. ive even done it in as lil as 3 mobs. soloing still isnt that great as its a euro, but ppl love locks in pts so theres not much of a reason to do that. has just enough cleric skills to cleric in pt grinds, maybe not group pvp although at 90 with holy RD and healing orbit it might work. can wear LA which is good against strs players or mobs
cons: shitload of sp to farm even with the few cleric skills it has. no speed buff or noise from a bard, and obviously has pot delay.

+1, But I don't see why a warlock/cleric would have less cleric skills than, say, a cleric. o_O

[foudre]

pros: great for grinding as zerk is refilled about every min-min and a half sometimes. ive even done it in as lil as 3 mobs. soloing still isnt that great as its a euro, but ppl love locks in pts so theres not much of a reason to do that. has just enough cleric skills to cleric in pt grinds, maybe not group pvp although at 90 with holy RD and healing orbit it might work. can wear LA which is good against strs players or mobs
cons: shitload of sp to farm even with the few cleric skills it has. no speed buff or noise from a bard, and obviously has pot delay.

+1, But I don't see why a warlock/cleric would have less cleric skills than, say, a cleric. o_O

some go for lvl 10 warrior so they can have sheild bash, shown time and time again to greatly increase survival rate

its a great group build because it can bless, heal if needed, have recovery division, and its debuffs make an enemy a very easy target for the rest of your group.

[dutchleader]

Group pvp would be totally awesome at a lock when not every pt had holy spell. So I would call them normal in group pvp.

[Razorx]

Thanks for the replies. I have been looking at those warlock skills these two days, did some calculation and found out that I needed at least 1.5Mil sp from lvl 1 - 100 . It going to take me years to farm that much, I might just concentrate on a few useful spells. I am still visiting dh south gate at least once per day and hopefully I can see a high lvl in action. If there is one in Troy.

[Advancechao]

some go for lvl 10 warrior so they can have sheild bash, shown time and time again to greatly increase survival rate

its a great group build because it can bless, heal if needed, have recovery division, and its debuffs make an enemy a very easy target for the rest of your group.

I have the 10 warrior for shield trash but it's not like a cleric sub has less skills from doing so Just saying.
Of course there are skill upgrades, like Recovery Division to Holy Recovery Division, Reverse Oblation to Reverse Immolation, Soul Blessing to Soul Deity and whatnot, but the skills used in parties are still the same. Buffs, Healing Orbit, Holy Spell, Reverse Oblation.

Basically you should have all the skills necessary for partying if you follow a standard cleric build.

Thanks for the replies. I have been looking at those warlock skills these two days, did some calculation and found out that I needed at least 1.5Mil sp from lvl 1 - 100 . It going to take me years to farm that much, I might just concentrate on a few useful spells. I am still visiting dh south gate at least once per day and hopefully I can see a high lvl in action. If there is one in Troy.

Unfortunately most warlock skills are completely necessary and a cleric sub will suffer greatly from having reduced skills. But if you want, you could only take Healing Cycle/Orbit, Recovery Division, and Holy Word/Spell along with their passives. You'd be a cleric without buffs or party heals though

[xKingpinx]

so why does zerk fill fast with warlock? I never got that... I havent had a warlock char so i wouldnt know..can you explain please

[Tasdik]

so why does zerk fill fast with warlock? I never got that... I havent had a warlock char so i wouldnt know..can you explain please

Locks get zerk because they have more DoT *damage over time* attacks. And the more you hit a mob you'll have a better chance of getting zerk.

[Bobby]

so why does zerk fill fast with warlock? I never got that... I havent had a warlock char so i wouldnt know..can you explain please

Locks get zerk because they have more DoT *damage over time* attacks. And the more you hit a mob you'll have a better chance of getting zerk.

Yea, something like tht. I don't know the exact reason why warlocks get so much zerk, tho my assumption is tht when a mob is dead but the DoTs are still hitting it, it's like killing the mob 6x (as an example), but not getting the xp for it. Tht would raise the zerk rate. I don't really know if it's true or if it can be tested exactly, but one thing for sure is that DoTs = fast zerk lol

[foudre]

some go for lvl 10 warrior so they can have sheild bash, shown time and time again to greatly increase survival rate

its a great group build because it can bless, heal if needed, have recovery division, and its debuffs make an enemy a very easy target for the rest of your group.

I have the 10 warrior for shield trash but it's not like a cleric sub has less skills from doing so Just saying.
Of course there are skill upgrades, like Recovery Division to Holy Recovery Division, Reverse Oblation to Reverse Immolation, Soul Blessing to Soul Deity and whatnot, but the skills used in parties are still the same. Buffs, Healing Orbit, Holy Spell, Reverse Oblation.

Basically you should have all the skills necessary for partying if you follow a standard cleric build.

Thanks for the replies. I have been looking at those warlock skills these two days, did some calculation and found out that I needed at least 1.5Mil sp from lvl 1 - 100 . It going to take me years to farm that much, I might just concentrate on a few useful spells. I am still visiting dh south gate at least once per day and hopefully I can see a high lvl in action. If there is one in Troy.

Unfortunately most warlock skills are completely necessary and a cleric sub will suffer greatly from having reduced skills. But if you want, you could only take Healing Cycle/Orbit, Recovery Division, and Holy Word/Spell along with their passives. You'd be a cleric without buffs or party heals though

cleric 10 levels below doesn't loose alot so its a perfectly good substitute, cleric res skills are always 20 levels above so you'll always be able to res the cap

[MysticLotus]

Having holy spell 10 level below is quite a big drawback if you want to take 10 warrior ( meaning you are not immune to statuses of your level ) . You also cant wear LA as well, and i have seen many pvp-oriented warlock/cleric wearing LA.

[Razorx]

Finally saw one high lvl in action outside dh east earlier today. I am really impress with the damage output with almost 2 rows of debuffs on the opponent. The sleep status is really deadly, that blader just stood there and getting cursed to death .

[Bobby]

Having holy spell 10 level below is quite a big drawback if you want to take 10 warrior ( meaning you are not immune to statuses of your level ) . You also cant wear LA as well, and i have seen many pvp-oriented warlock/cleric wearing LA.

Thts not quite true. As said somewhere in another thread, having holy word at any lvl is a decent protection against statuses. It means ur not guaranteed to resist, but a warlock will have a hard time debuffing u, and with integrity and pills, they will struggle.

[MysticLotus]

Having holy spell 10 level below is quite a big drawback if you want to take 10 warrior ( meaning you are not immune to statuses of your level ) . You also cant wear LA as well, and i have seen many pvp-oriented warlock/cleric wearing LA.

Thts not quite true. As said somewhere in another thread, having holy word at any lvl is a decent protection against statuses. It means ur not guaranteed to resist, but a warlock will have a hard time debuffing u, and with integrity and pills, they will struggle.

Integrity / Pill works wonder on most STR-based cleric, but warlock/cleric can be a bit different. Its because str-based cleric have massive HP, so they can switch to cleric, healing and tanking at the same time, and remove the status.

Warlocks/cleric is a bit different. When you are in cleric mode, sure you can heal quickly with orbit/cycle, but you cant disable the opponent anymore ( aside from bind, which have relatively long casting delay and also long cooldown ). A crit at the wrong moment can quickly decide the match for. Lock/cleric dont like to switch to cleric unless the situation really demands it, so removing status with integrity is a bit .... But pill works fine for most situations.

Granted, the 10 warrior for KB works wonder in many situations, but having cleric maxed does have its merit ( Light amour, holy word and maxed physical/magical defence buff being three obvious ones ).

[Bobby]

Having holy spell 10 level below is quite a big drawback if you want to take 10 warrior ( meaning you are not immune to statuses of your level ) . You also cant wear LA as well, and i have seen many pvp-oriented warlock/cleric wearing LA.

Thts not quite true. As said somewhere in another thread, having holy word at any lvl is a decent protection against statuses. It means ur not guaranteed to resist, but a warlock will have a hard time debuffing u, and with integrity and pills, they will struggle.

Integrity / Pill works wonder on most STR-based cleric, but warlock/cleric can be a bit different. Its because str-based cleric have massive HP, so they can switch to cleric, healing and tanking at the same time, and remove the status.

Warlocks/cleric is a bit different. When you are in cleric mode, sure you can heal quickly with orbit/cycle, but you cant disable the opponent anymore ( aside from bind, which have relatively long casting delay and also long cooldown ). A crit at the wrong moment can quickly decide the match for. Lock/cleric dont like to switch to cleric unless the situation really demands it, so removing status with integrity is a bit .... But pill works fine for most situations.

Granted, the 10 warrior for KB works wonder in many situations, but having cleric maxed does have its merit ( Light amour, holy word and maxed physical/magical defence buff being three obvious ones ).

Integrity/pills is really just a back-up, incase somehow ur spell didn't resist. If u have holy spell that resists lvl9 debuffs, the chances of a lvl10 debuff working is not very high at all. So really the main thing ur missing out on is light armor, which of course works wonders with cleric, but shield trash is also a great skill to have. To be honest, i don't know exactly wat i would choose, warlock/cleric is ownage either way lol

[Poochu]

From experience. Warlock Clerics are very fun pvp builds, and are useful in parties (your dot + cleric skills help everyone), they also have a good ability to solo if needbe.

[red_baron2000]

Get with Fug_Dup and read his guide. Very useful.

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[Razorx]

Get with Fug_Dup and read his guide. Very useful.

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Thanks, i Luv this guide. Is it true that warlock/cleric is unable to win a warrior/cleric in a pvp?

[Bobby]

Get with Fug_Dup and read his guide. Very useful.

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Thanks, i Luv this guide. Is it true that warlock/cleric is unable to win a warrior/cleric in a pvp?

Well the warrior/cleric will have a large advantage. Not impossible, but u'll have a hard time killing them.

[red_baron2000]

Warrior and Blader would be the hardest to kill in PVP for a Warlock, but it can be done.

[BloodLust]

Get with Fug_Dup and read his guide. Very useful.

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Thanks, i Luv this guide. Is it true that warlock/cleric is unable to win a warrior/cleric in a pvp?

The best thing a lock has is stun and sleep. Stun, debuff, sleep/stun, attack, repeat.

[raphaell666]

Get with Fug_Dup and read his guide. Very useful.
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Thanks, i Luv this guide. Is it true that warlock/cleric is unable to win a warrior/cleric in a pvp?

Well the warrior/cleric will have a large advantage. Not impossible, but u'll have a hard time killing them.

Not exactly a "large advantage", I'd prefer to say it'd be a hard enemy, probably your worst one, but not your doom at all.

[Astra]

Get with Fug_Dup and read his guide. Very useful.

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Thanks, i Luv this guide. Is it true that warlock/cleric is unable to win a warrior/cleric in a pvp?

It's not "unable"... you just need a different approach against warrior/cleric and timing of skills.
Playing smart is what ultimate warlocks do, and more than 80% of the cases against other euro builds it's a win/win situation.
I bet more than 50% of silkroad's population has an alt warlock/cleric to experiment/have fun with, cause it really is.

[foudre]

actually a rogue coming out of stealth would be harder then the warrior

a smart dagger rogue doesn't use prick on the first attack against an opponent with a shield, can't stun/sleep what kills you before you know you're under attack. Combo that shit. Warriors are a pain don't get me wrong its why i love my warrior in pvp. Just use your head and remember patterns to fight each build, button spamming will get you no where with a warlock besides the ground. True for any build really to try to find the best pattern to deal with them.

If they are trying to bless themselves throw a stun (stun is goofy though and some time still lets their skills happen) or shield bash if you invested in it to stop their bless, and if they go to a 2 hander or axe, if you can put them to sleep or even a stun works don't need very long, offering and its most likely over unless they got ungodly gear and buffs.

[-.-]

warrior/cleric pvp, easy win is debuff/trap/sleep (while he has 2h or axe out preferably) then switch to cleric and use offering, it'll kill anyone if they arent skin/blessed/shield

plus if you bind him he cant do anything but attack with cleric's absolute damage, which is still hard for pure ints

[Bobby]

warrior/cleric pvp, easy win is debuff/trap/sleep (while he has 2h or axe out preferably) then switch to cleric and use offering, it'll kill anyone if they arent skin/blessed/shield

plus if you bind him he cant do anything but attack with cleric's absolute damage, which is still hard for pure ints

umm..wat about holy spell?

[foudre]

warrior/cleric pvp, easy win is debuff/trap/sleep (while he has 2h or axe out preferably) then switch to cleric and use offering, it'll kill anyone if they arent skin/blessed/shield

plus if you bind him he cant do anything but attack with cleric's absolute damage, which is still hard for pure ints

umm..wat about holy spell?

stun still works, offering is basicly going to kill any one your level str or int they'll have to be super buffed/ super geared to live it debuffs aren't needed to kill with it ... If its 1 vs 1

[Oryx]

Offering is risky when the opponent isn't debuffed (unless it's a wizard or rogue or chinese int with no snow shield). It could block or not kill if the warrior is in mana skin/bless/self buffs on. Of course, only a stupid warlock would do that in those situations. But I wonder if it would be possible for the warrior to throw a mana skin on right when stun comes off. Has anyone ever come across that?

Also, pretty sure offering doesn't kill str glaiver with snow shield and magic def buff, and possibly also not blader in snow shield, if they are not debuffed and especially if they have devil grade.