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I was just wondering, what is the smallest sp required build for chinese, that miniumly furfills the build's strengths.

I was thinking along the lines of Light/Heskual

Getting all light skills and only getting soup departs cheoslm and Ghost departs books.(pure int)

s/s light 100/ ice 100


--> light: everything except the damn parry buff, useless
--> cold: guard of ice, snow shield, passive

total 658 k sp.

minus about 300k from 0 gapping till 100 (without quests)

358k sp

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:s/s light 100/ ice 100


--> light: everything except the damn parry buff, useless
--> cold: guard of ice, snow shield, passive

total 658 k sp.

minus about 300k from 0 gapping till 100 (without quests)

358k sp

I was more thinking along hte lines of only taking 2 trees to minimise the cost

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:s/s light 100/ ice 100


--> light: everything except the damn parry buff, useless
--> cold: guard of ice, snow shield, passive

total 658 k sp.

minus about 300k from 0 gapping till 100 (without quests)

358k sp

But wouldn't it completely suck with no Bicheon? I'm doing bicheon/light/cold

Sylus wrote:I was more thinking along the lines of only taking 2 trees to minimise the cost

sorry, should've said

skill trees= 100 cold/light
weapon= sword shield

why?
shield gives you block and defence, if you were to take spear-> more attack but very vulnerable

nukers dont need a weapon tree to kill

Dyegov wrote:But wouldn't it completely suck with no Bicheon? I'm doing bicheon/light/cold

sucks pvp yes, your wolf will do 75% of your damage when hitting with sword,even with imbue
but the nukes hit as hard as ever

its more of a pve build lol

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Sylus wrote:I was more thinking along the lines of only taking 2 trees to minimise the cost

sorry, should've said

skill trees= 100 cold/light
weapon= sword shield

why?
shield gives you block and defence, if you were to take spear-> more attack but very vulnerable

nukers dont need a weapon tree to kill

Dyegov wrote:But wouldn't it completely suck with no Bicheon? I'm doing bicheon/light/cold

sucks pvp yes, your wolf will do 75% of your damage when hitting with sword,even with imbue
but the nukes hit as hard as ever

its more of a pve build lol

That was more alongm the lines I was thinking

Would ice nuke be a 'must'in this build?

Hybrid Spear 100heuk/100fire/70ice/30light or something like that :p

bloody wrote:Hybrid Spear 100heuk/100fire/70ice/30light or something like that :p

I dont reall think you know what I was asking for

I was really asking instead of the old fashion maxing all the masteries as much as possible, you only take 2 trees to make an effective build.

I am currently making a ice light nuker

Maxing all light and only defence buffs from ice, might write a guide if it goes well.

it will be effective trust me,
i made one and its doing well

and to your question

Sylus wrote:That was more along the lines I was thinking

Would ice nuke be a 'must'in this build?

optional,
can be useful if you want to have 2 additional nukes till lvl 60 or you#d only have 1 nuke and 2 lionshouts till 50
otherwise, you can save the sp.

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Sylus wrote:That was more along the lines I was thinking

Would ice nuke be a 'must'in this build?

optional,
can be useful if you want to have 2 additional nukes till lvl 60 or you#d only have 1 nuke and 2 lionshouts till 50
otherwise, you can save the sp.

Optional but still highly recommended.
It'll help a lot on grinding, even more because it can freeze and/or frostbite mobs. I really think you should get it as you won't be getting any weapon skills. It surely is worth the SP.
By the way, you should get everything in the lightning tree, and from Cold: the physical defensive buff, the passive, the nuke and the snow shield. You could also level the skills from Frost Nova series, they help a lot when in trouble, and they help even at pvp against not immune people.

raphaell666 wrote:

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Sylus wrote:That was more along the lines I was thinking

Would ice nuke be a 'must'in this build?

optional,
can be useful if you want to have 2 additional nukes till lvl 60 or you#d only have 1 nuke and 2 lionshouts till 50
otherwise, you can save the sp.

Optional but still highly recommended.
It'll help a lot on grinding, even more because it can freeze and/or frostbite mobs. I really think you should get it as you won't be getting any weapon skills. It surely is worth the SP.
By the way, you should get everything in the lightning tree, and from Cold: the physical defensive buff, the passive, the nuke and the snow shield. You could also level the skills from Frost Nova series, they help a lot when in trouble, and they help even at pvp against not immune people.

That was pretty much my plan, minimising the farming to just a 4gap to level

Thank you for everyone's input it has helped me alot

Mmm well, my nuker is lvl 35 now, and altough I do have Bicheon, it's really low since I don't actually use it for pve. I'll keep it low for now and try to go with light/cold build. I'm also getting all from light and only ph. deff buff, nuke and passive from cold an I'm doing great! I really recommend you to get cold nuke, it hepls a lot.

Dyegov wrote:Mmm well, my nuker is lvl 35 now, and altough I do have Bicheon, it's really low since I don't actually use it for pve. I'll keep it low for now and try to go with light/cold build. I'm also getting all from light and only ph. deff buff, nuke and passive from cold an I'm doing great! I really recommend you to get cold nuke, it hepls a lot.

I have decided to!

Would ice wall helpful in this build?

eg. Icewall>nuke

Sylus wrote:Would ice wall helpful in this build?

eg. Icewall>nuke

Yes, ice wall would be helpful when some mobs gather around and start attacking you, cast it and you'll have some time to kill a few of them before losing HP again (assuming you are fightning physical attacking mobs). But Nukes > Ice Wall, if it was to choose between those to level one. Anyways, I strongly suggest you to take both.

raphaell666 wrote:

Sylus wrote:Would ice wall helpful in this build?

eg. Icewall>nuke

Yes, ice wall would be helpful when some mobs gather around and start attacking you, cast it and you'll have some time to kill a few of them before losing HP again (assuming you are fightning physical attacking mobs). But Nukes > Ice Wall, if it was to choose between those to level one. Anyways, I strongly suggest you to take both.

Ops I dont you misunderstood my sign lol. What I ment waas that you could cast icewall, then nuke away. Thanks for the info on icewall.

If you have extra sp somehow, either stick it into bicheon or heuksai for their passives.

SirSengir wrote:If you have extra sp somehow, either stick it into bicheon or heuksai for their passives.

hmm I was thinking of getting the fire tree if I got spare sp, but which is better?

Sylus wrote:

SirSengir wrote:If you have extra sp somehow, either stick it into bicheon or heuksai for their passives.

hmm I was thinking of getting the fire tree if I got spare sp, but which is better?

If you intend on leveling a weapon sometime in the future, then you could start leveling it. If you don't, I really think you should put your spare SP in fire. Would you level fire nukes as well? But then if you level either a weapon or fire your build would start seriously consuming SP... If you want to keep it SP friendly you should stick to lightning and cold until you get to a high level and then you decide if you prefer a weapon to increase your 1vs1 pvp capabilities or fire to increase everything else. If you ain't intending on getting the weapon skills, then I don't think it's worth it to increase it only for the passive.

Im lv 64 64 Light 40 Ice 20 bicheon, and stil doing great at shakrams.
Using spear so i can 1 hit mobs tho.

raphaell666 wrote:

Sylus wrote:

SirSengir wrote:If you have extra sp somehow, either stick it into bicheon or heuksai for their passives.

hmm I was thinking of getting the fire tree if I got spare sp, but which is better?

If you intend on leveling a weapon sometime in the future, then you could start leveling it. If you don't, I really think you should put your spare SP in fire. Would you level fire nukes as well? But then if you level either a weapon or fire your build would start seriously consuming SP... If you want to keep it SP friendly you should stick to lightning and cold until you get to a high level and then you decide if you prefer a weapon to increase your 1vs1 pvp capabilities or fire to increase everything else. If you ain't intending on getting the weapon skills, then I don't think it's worth it to increase it only for the passive.

Ah ok, once again ty for your detailed input. I am suprised your not a mod yet

Sylus wrote:Ah ok, once again ty for your detailed input. I am suprised your not a mod yet

Oh, no problem, and thanks ^^. I'm just trying to help anyways, and a mod's role is not just helping, I suppose. And I don't see why I'd in fact need to be a mod if all I want/can do is help others.

raphaell666 wrote:

Sylus wrote:Ah ok, once again ty for your detailed input. I am suprised your not a mod yet

Oh, no problem, and thanks ^^. I'm just trying to help anyways, and a mod's role is not just helping, I suppose. And I don't see why I'd in fact need to be a mod if all I want/can do is help others.

I mean like you always on forums, and helping others. Might as well do alittle extra and get a mod title.

Just on some weekends I'm active like this. During the week I'm rather busy most of the time.

O still one of the most helpful person I met sicne I joined this forum