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10D euro skills

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:21 pm
by pequenoleao
anyone have a link with new euro skills?

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:22 pm
by Pericles
Only rogue/lock/bard have new.

The rest has finished all his skills.

They dun need new skills to pwn... in group ofc :D

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:42 pm
by pequenoleao
good to know .. i have a locke/cleric and wanna spend some SP to put mastery 10 in warrior to get shield bash.
So... probably i wont sacrifice any good skill.

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:18 am
by Tasdik
pequenoleao wrote:good to know .. i have a locke/cleric and wanna spend some SP to put mastery 10 in warrior to get shield bash.
So... probably i wont sacrifice any good skill.

Don't do that.
You will still need to raise your lock and cleric to get the improved skills. Even if there aren't any new ones.

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:56 am
by XMoshe
Tasdik wrote:
pequenoleao wrote:good to know .. i have a locke/cleric and wanna spend some SP to put mastery 10 in warrior to get shield bash.
So... probably i wont sacrifice any good skill.

Don't do that.
You will still need to raise your lock and cleric to get the improved skills. Even if there aren't any new ones.


If he's planning on pvping the lvl 10 mastery is worth it. It saves your life and is really annoying (yeah I pvped a lock/cleric with lvl 10 warrior mastery).

If you don't plan on pvping often I would just max both trees. (If you're going with the lvl 10 warrior mastery go 100 lock/90 cleric and nog 90 lock/100 cleric ;)

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:26 pm
by Glavie's Girl
at 100 cap, you can do 100 warlock, 90 cleric (which gives the second book in Recovery Division) and you can do 10 warrior. Its better then the 80 cleric/10warior/90warlock from last cap.

Why does everyone discourage the 10 warrior. Its even better at 100 cap!

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:18 pm
by raphaell666
At 100 cap it's more worth it to go with 10 warrior, though you'll still be losing immunity to debuffs of your level. Also, you'd be losing a lot of "minor" increases from 90 to 100 cleric that I don't think are worth losing for Shield Trash. It's completely up to you anyways.

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:19 pm
by pequenoleao
raphaell666 wrote:At 100 cap it's more worth it to go with 10 warrior, though you'll still be losing immunity to debuffs of your level. Also, you'd be losing a lot of "minor" increases from 90 to 100 cleric that I don't think are worth losing for Shield Trash. It's completely up to you anyways.


Why i lose immunity?

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:46 pm
by raphaell666
pequenoleao wrote:
raphaell666 wrote:At 100 cap it's more worth it to go with 10 warrior, though you'll still be losing immunity to debuffs of your level. Also, you'd be losing a lot of "minor" increases from 90 to 100 cleric that I don't think are worth losing for Shield Trash. It's completely up to you anyways.


Why i lose immunity?

Ain't that obvious? Because you wouldn't have cleric maxed, and holy word/spell wouldn't be maxed either, making you unable to be immune to debuffs of your level (using level 100 as example, any debuff above lvl 90 is level 10, while your holy word/spell will make you immune only to debuffs level 9, which are level 8x debuffs, so anyone with debuffs over 90 is gonna be able to debuff you).

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:58 am
by Advancechao
On topic: It's been said already but for the most part, Euros don't get anything new.

raphaell666 wrote:Ain't that obvious? Because you wouldn't have cleric maxed, and holy word/spell wouldn't be maxed either, making you unable to be immune to debuffs of your level (using level 100 as example, any debuff above lvl 90 is level 10, while your holy word/spell will make you immune only to debuffs level 9, which are level 8x debuffs, so anyone with debuffs over 90 is gonna be able to debuff you).

1) Any level of Holy Word/Spell provides resistance against debuffs, and Holy Spell one level behind still gives you adequate protection. Test it: find a player with low level Holy Word and try to land debuffs on them consistently without disease. Trust me, it's hard. You will find them resisting over and over again. It's a big difference from debuffing an unprotected target.
2) In case you get debuffed, you can switch and Integrity the debuffs off. Problem solved >.>

There's hardly any warlock mains out there, but granted, any 100/100 Lock/Cleric will have a definite advantage in PvP versus a 100/90/10. (On a side note, STR warlock subbers don't even have Holy Spell and they do OK. So do Lock/Bards.)

Force debuffers still see a high probability of resists against Holy Spell because they have no Disease-causing skill, and therefore are relatively easier to defeat than other Warlocks since you mostly fight them like any other Chinese build. Of course, 10 shield trash means losing stronger buffs and heals, but you can still party just fine as a Cleric. As long as there's healing orbit and buffs... :wink:

Glavie's Girl wrote:at 100 cap, you can do 100 warlock, 90 cleric (which gives the second book in Recovery Division) and you can do 10 warrior. Its better then the 80 cleric/10warior/90warlock from last cap.

Why does everyone discourage the 10 warrior. Its even better at 100 cap!

+1 So true.

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:48 pm
by Glavie's Girl
I wish there was another compitant warlock on my server, wanna switch Advancechao! :P

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:34 pm
by raphaell666
Advancechao wrote:1) Any level of Holy Word/Spell provides resistance against debuffs, and Holy Spell one level behind still gives you adequate protection. Test it: find a player with low level Holy Word and try to land debuffs on them consistently without disease. Trust me, it's hard. You will find them resisting over and over again. It's a big difference from debuffing an unprotected target.
2) In case you get debuffed, you can switch and Integrity the debuffs off. Problem solved >.>

There's hardly any warlock mains out there, but granted, any 100/100 Lock/Cleric will have a definite advantage in PvP versus a 100/90/10. (On a side note, STR warlock subbers don't even have Holy Spell and they do OK. So do Lock/Bards.)

Force debuffers still see a high probability of resists against Holy Spell because they have no Disease-causing skill, and therefore are relatively easier to defeat than other Warlocks since you mostly fight them like any other Chinese build. Of course, 10 shield trash means losing stronger buffs and heals, but you can still party just fine as a Cleric. As long as there's healing orbit and buffs... :wink:

You win. :love:
I did not know most of that. Thanks for throughly explaining it. :P

Re: 10D euro skills

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:49 pm
by Advancechao
Glavie's Girl wrote:I wish there was another compitant warlock on my server, wanna switch Advancechao! :P

Someday, if Joymax releases server switch items and you pay the $500 price tag :D

raphaell666 wrote:You win. :love:
I did not know most of that. Thanks for thoroughly explaining it. :P

You're welcome :)