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I know there isnt a " best" build or a build that beats another
but there are builds that have certain advantages over others
what are some of those builds for rogues?
The only ones i am having probles with are some bladers and bows.
warrios is they are buffed also
but besides these what is my competition?

I think you already told them all. Warriors, bladers and bowers. Ah, also maybe chinese int s/s in snow shield. Warlocks too if you are not rogue/cleric.

raphaell666 wrote:I think you already told them all. Warriors, bladers and bowers. Ah, also maybe chinese int s/s in snow shield. Warlocks too if you are not rogue/cleric.

ohh yea snow sheild..
and warlocks i usualy kill before they can stun me
unless i let them get first hit
im bard so i use my range like im supposed to

With nukers, if I have good gear, they're not too much problem. Usually, one crit is enough to do them in. The only builds I have trouble with is warriors, bladers, and glaivers just because they have so much HP.

raphaell666 wrote:I think you already told them all. Warriors, bladers and bowers. Ah, also maybe chinese int s/s in snow shield. Warlocks too if you are not rogue/cleric.

Lol, if a rogue loses against a chinese int s/s the s/s is really good, or the rogue sucks :')

I 1hit nukers to 8 lvls higher even when they have snowhield with xbow ..

BloodyBlade wrote:Lol, if a rogue loses against a chinese int s/s the s/s is really good, or the rogue sucks :')

I 1hit nukers to 8 lvls higher even when they have snowhield with xbow ..

As far as I know that's not possible when at cap fighting against s/s chineses with good gear (especially FB). The only way that might be possible is if you crit, but if the int s/s is with full hp even criting I seriously doubt it'd kill him. Correct me if I'm wrong, seriously.

raphaell666 wrote:

BloodyBlade wrote:Lol, if a rogue loses against a chinese int s/s the s/s is really good, or the rogue sucks :')

I 1hit nukers to 8 lvls higher even when they have snowhield with xbow ..

As far as I know that's not possible when at cap fighting against s/s chineses with good gear (especially FB). The only way that might be possible is if you crit, but if the int s/s is with full hp even criting I seriously doubt it'd kill him. Correct me if I'm wrong, seriously.

^Correct

Yea, at the earlier lvls, even in snow, nukers can go down easy against rogues.

But the higher they get, the less that happens.

maxed blued pure int w/ prem+ has around 12.9k hp & 28.4k mp

add in the 53% snow shield and frost guard...

now let's say you hit them about 14k, non-crit, outta snow (pulling dmg numbers outta my arse but this is just purely for example):

14,000 * 0.53 = 7,420 ...so, 14,000 - 7,420 = 6,580 hp / 7,420 mp taken from that hit alone. Thus not a one hit seeing 6.5k & 7.4k !> 12.9k & 28.4k

OT: Warriors, Bladers, Archers, S/S in snow, and if the rogue doesn't have a cleric sub, could have probs w/ Warlocks.

What's about rogue-warlock. If u r a rogue/warlock, you can kill anyone

vance wrote:What's about rogue-warlock. If u r a rogue/warlock, you can kill anyone

im rogue bard
its my FW,trading, and unique char.

Intentions wrote:im rogue bard
its my FW,trading, and unique char.

Excellent choice.

By the way, does Noise make thief NPCs ignore you?

vance wrote:What about rogue / warlock. If you are a rogue / warlock, you can kill anyone.

True, but that can be said about any build. The only thing you'll really have problems with are people w/ holyspell....especially warrior / clerics or warlocks / clerics.

raphaell666 wrote:By the way, does Noise make thief NPCs ignore you?

No

My current build is a rogue/bard at 8D. I really don't have trouble dealing with tanks, bladers, or bowers(then again having +5 daggers with 19 crit does help). I have been using weapons with 17crit or better ever since lv 2x. A critical hit makes all the difference. I still find it hard to believe that a player even bothers with less then 11 crit on their daggers. Then again, i suppose it could be hard to find one with a high critical rating (that is why i do alchemy to improve my critical ratio). Just last week i increased my critical ratio on my xbow from 7 to 17 first try.

I've seen many other rogues fight in PvPs around the server and noticed that the majority of them use prick as their first attack. I just laugh at them when they do this. Sure you deal major damage with a single hit (assuming you can land the hit without being countered), but you leave yourself open for a little while. This little time is all some players need to counter and rape you. I always open with an attack that does combos, like Mortal Wounds or Combo Blow. As long as you have a high critical rating, you can land some very heavy hits. This is how i often rape warriors, bladders, and bowers (I also added 100(100%) blocking ratio on my daggers, so shields become less of a problem for me). It really depends on the player and how they fight. I rarely go stealth when PvPing. I just walk around in Light Armor or Robes. Robes just helps me with some speed and ints... i guess. I always have people attacking me first just to have me rape then with a few critical hits.

I also must say that bard works wonders for me. It boosts my speed without me having to go out and buy/restock on those drugs. Noise also helps tons. However, the main reason why i went bard, is for parties. That is the true key to leveling for a rogue in my opinion. I might swap it out later for something else or just leave it, i am not sure yet.

Domination wrote:I've seen many other rogues fight in PvP around the server and noticed that the majority of them use prick as their first attack. I just laugh at them when they do this. Sure you deal major damage with a single hit (assuming you can land the hit without being countered), but you leave yourself open for a little while. This little time is all some players need to counter and rape you.

+1 One of the strongest hits is also one of the slowest

I rarely do prick in 1vs1 unless I'm highly certain it'll land (which my sub comes quite in handy).

There are times where I do use it as an opener, but only in ctf or messing around, when I'm stealthed, though I don't use DD / CE as much as other rogues ...lol

raphaell666 wrote:

Intentions wrote:im rogue bard
its my FW,trading, and unique char.

Excellent choice.

By the way, does Noise make thief NPCs ignore you?

no but temptation does and watching npc thievs go at each other is mildly amusing for awhile(pure bard opinion)

If your rogue/cleric in LA and use a shield and the light armor passives, as well as healing cycle well, warriors are a non issue. Can effortlessly out-tank skins and bless, then KD->DD->Mortal Wounds->Butterfly and they die. Same with nukers, healing cycle, glory armor, RD, and the phy/mag buffs and you wont need hp pots.

Prick's only useful for rogue/warlock. This skill has a 10% change to stun the enemy. But with warlock, debuff, bomb, sleep, I think it goes to 50% (or higher). Is this true or I just got luckiness.

and wiz with life control can kill anyone ha

and anyone can kill a wiz with life control

vance wrote:Prick's only useful for rogue/warlock. This skill has a 10% change to stun the enemy. But with warlock, debuff, bomb, sleep, I think it goes to 50% (or higher). Is this true or I just got luckiness.

That's not true. The most you get is a 15% chance because of disease.

vance wrote:Prick's only useful for rogue/warlock. This skill has a 10% change to stun the enemy. But with warlock, debuff, bomb, sleep, I think it goes to 50% (or higher). Is this true or did I just get lucky?

Prick's kinda useful for all rogues...it's just when you use it that counts.
With Warlock as a sub, it presents you with 10 interruption skills:

2 80% stuns and 2 80% sleeps from warlock
2 stuns 10% & 30%, 2 50% knockbacks, and 2 50% knockdowns from rogue.

Using the trap + sleep bug's kinda eh...I personally stray away from using it in 1 vs 1.

Gigson wrote:and anyone can kill a wiz with life control

not really with bless and division i managed to kill people before the kill me ,and survive like 4hits ,and survived hits from warriors ,chinese nukers and bladers

raphaell666 wrote:

BloodyBlade wrote:Lol, if a rogue loses against a chinese int s/s the s/s is really good, or the rogue sucks :')

I 1hit nukers to 8 lvls higher even when they have snowhield with xbow ..

As far as I know that's not possible when at cap fighting against s/s chineses with good gear (especially FB). The only way that might be possible is if you crit, but if the int s/s is with full hp even criting I seriously doubt it'd kill him. Correct me if I'm wrong, seriously.

I can easily 1hit a lv72nuker with a nice shield.. :p

BloodyBlade wrote:I can easily 1hit a lv72nuker with a nice shield.. :p

Without snow shield? And that's not even near to cap. =p

raphaell666 wrote:

BloodyBlade wrote:I can easily 1hit a lv72nuker with a nice shield.. :p

Without snow shield? And that's not even near to cap. =p

WITH snow shield..

BloodyBlade wrote:

raphaell666 wrote:

BloodyBlade wrote:I can easily 1hit a lv72nuker with a nice shield.. :p

Without snow shield? And that's not even near to cap. =p

WITH snow shield..

a bunch of dick waving going on...

No really, I could in ctf, so its possible he had a crappy set.
believe it or not, I know what im saying