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bard sub for warlock
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:11 pm
by aishsharma
ok i know this build rocks for pve but im wondering how wud it fair in 1v1 against euro warriors particularly warrior/clerics at cap
PS yes i hve used search got over 2k results and the 1st 2 pages didnt hve answers so help is really appreciated
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:22 pm
by raphaell666
So a warlock/bard? Bard mainly for speed and noise or getting nukes and others also? I don't think you'll do good against warrior/clerics, they'll probably be your doom most of the time (unless you are facing some noob warrior/cleric, which happens extremely frequently). You can manage some absolutes + wheel bind + DoTs then switch to harp and nuke or stay warlock rod and nuke + dusk armor, but I don't think you'd do that good anyways.
EDIT: You can also use warlock's stun in middle of that to unable to warrior to daredevil you. I had forgot about it.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:34 pm
by aishsharma
oh hey raphael ur in mars didnt know...
ok so bard wud be bad agnst warrior/clerics but even if i had cleric sub wud it make surviving easier i mean sure i hve bless spell but they do to not to mention mana skin and holy spell(btw can dot's go over holy spell?)
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:56 pm
by raphaell666
Bard/anything would not be really strong against warrior/cleric, probably the best subs to go against one for a bard would be cleric and warlock.
DoTs are like a nuke, they deal damage (over time in the case), so holy word/spell has nothing to do with it. The thing is that the DoTs can trigger some debuffs, which the holy word/spell will protect against. The only DoT debuff that surpasses holy word/spell is the one that gives bleed ([dark] decayed if I recall it correctly), because bleed surpasses holy word/spell.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:05 pm
by aishsharma
ok so warlock/bard wud be weaker against warrior/clerics but would warlock/clerics stand a better chance(reasons in my 2nd post)
bcoz i wanna take bard sub for my lock(their moves just look much cooler even if they dont increase survivability pvp wise) but i awnt a build good for both 1v1 and grp pvp(easy to find clerics for jobbing or uniques)
also y wud i switch to bard nukes they r only for pt play i wud just spam stun, armour, dots and absolute dmg skills along with reflect and baby nukes(ofc i'd also go hybrid for survivability)
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:09 pm
by raphaell666
aishsharma wrote:ok so warlock/bard wud be weaker against warrior/clerics but would warlock/clerics stand a better chance(reasons in my 2nd post)
Warlock/cleric > warlock/bard for pvping in general.
bcoz i wanna take bard sub for my lock(their moves just look much cooler even if they dont increase survivability pvp wise) but i awnt a build good for both 1v1 and grp pvp(easy to find clerics for jobbing or uniques)
Warlock/bard is good for both 1vs1 and group pvp, I doubt you'll ever get disappointed with it.
also y wud i switch to bard nukes they r only for pt play i wud just spam stun, armour, dots and absolute dmg skills along with reflect and baby nukes(ofc i'd also go hybrid for survivability)
Bard nukes are extremely fast to cast, though for a fight against a warrior/cleric I agree that staying warlock rod + shield will be better.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:15 pm
by aishsharma
ok thnk i'll try bard then
thx for the help raphaell really appreciate it
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:19 pm
by raphaell666
No problem.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:37 am
by aishsharma
hey another question wat about warrior sub with skills like this:
vital inc, sprint assault, iron/mana skin(do any of these last without 1h)
shield trash/crush for kb?
would be more unique for a heavy int build...
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:01 pm
by XMoshe
That's a waste..All the warriors buffs disappear if you switch weapons. lvl 10 mastery for shield trash (or was it crush) maybe..But only if you have like cleric sub so you can do 90/80 cleric/10 warrior. Or perhaps bard sub.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:13 pm
by aishsharma
thx gess i'll just do bard then
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:55 pm
by raphaell666
I agree with
XMoshe, though I'd not take warrior at all even if I was with warlock/cleric. In my opinion it's a waste.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:23 pm
by XMoshe
raphaell666 wrote:I agree with
XMoshe, though I'd not take warrior at all even if I was with warlock/cleric. In my opinion it's a waste.
IMO lvl 80 cleric is high enough...The lvl 10 mastery really saves your ass on melee chars. I pvped a 90 with this build and that kb was so annoying, especially cuz he has a shield all the time.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:29 pm
by raphaell666
XMoshe wrote:IMO lvl 80 cleric is high enough...The lvl 10 mastery really saves your ass on melee chars. I pvped a 90 with this build and that kb was so annoying, especially cuz he has a shield all the time.
True, but you'll lose debuff immunity at cap from cleric. Debuff immunity is priceless in my opinion. It's a hard decision actually, both are very useful. It'd depend on what you prefer. Also, you'd only really need holy word/spell if you are going to fight against a force build or warlock build. Well, I don't know.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:47 pm
by XMoshe
Well you got your own debuffs as a lock...So make sure you get them debuffed before they debuff you =p Or switch to your rod and heal yourself and stat heal etc =p Requires some practise tho.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:59 pm
by raphaell666
But then, using your own argument, you have debuffs as lock, and also 2 stuns, sleep, etc to disable. Do you really need knockback? By the way, any euro switching weapons build requires some practice, and when warlock/cleric you just need to switch between cleric rod and warlock rod, which is extremely easy imo, lol.
Also, in a fight between a 90warlock/80cleric/10warrior and a 90warlock/90cleric, I'm pretty sure the 90warlock/90cleric would have higher chances of winning. In the end what would matter would be skills though, so w/e.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:40 pm
by aishsharma
hmm y wud u even waste time to swtch weps ok 1 is lock/clric/warrior other is lock/cleric
both hve RD (and for fun lets say they both give each other body/soul deity wich stay on others after wep switch if i recall)
and both have holy word
wont both locks be busy stun/nuking each other to switch weps or if they hve bless on both will just use cleric absolute dmg attks or lock blood leaches
but imo if both hve all the buffs idt either of em r gonna switch weps they will mostly just stun and nuke and as for kb.....they r both range attkrs kb is for wen somethng manages to get close to u
just my thoughts
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:37 pm
by raphaell666
aishsharma wrote:hmm y wud u even waste time to swtch weps ok 1 is lock/clric/warrior other is lock/cleric
Are you kidding?
both hve RD (and for fun lets say they both give each other body/soul deity wich stay on others after wep switch if i recall)
and both have holy word
Holy word from the char with 80 cleric = completely useless against a 90 warlock. The one with 90warlock/90cleric would be able to fully debuff the other one which has 80 cleric.
wont both locks be busy stun/nuking each other to switch weps or if they hve bless on both will just use cleric absolute dmg attks or lock blood leaches
Eh, no. They will very probably change to cleric rod to heal, cure eventual debuffs, etc. There are a ton of useful skills from cleric, like healing cycle which you'd have to recast each 16s or recovery which would heal you instantly, or maybe offering, there are others also. Sorry, but to be honest you do not know what you are talking about.
but imo if both hve all the buffs idt either of em r gonna switch weps they will mostly just stun and nuke
If both have bless spell on, cleric offers good absolute damage skills that take long to cast, so they would be used after a stun or something. Also, both would be probably 'absoluting' and 'DoTing' each other, so healing cycle would help a LOT.
and as for kb.....they r both range attkrs kb is for wen somethng manages to get close to u
Kb is to buy some little time, or to interrupt something your enemy is doing, as far as I know. Being a ranged attacker does not change much.
just my thoughts
I'm mostly supposing because I've never heard of a 1vs1 pvp battle between those 2 builds, though I'm almost 100% sure the 90warlock/90cleric would have more chances of winning.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:42 pm
by aishsharma
well ur right most of wat i know abt cleric is heresay
but afaik all cleric attks r slow so wudnt the lock be able to stun easily even on offering? and yes kb wud b useless since other person can easily run away or as u said be immune to dull
not to mention dot's r almost instant
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:00 pm
by raphaell666
aishsharma wrote:well ur right most of wat i know abt cleric is heresay
What do you mean by "heresay"? "Heresy", "Here say" or what? but afaik all cleric attks r slow so wudnt the lock be able to stun easily even on offering? and yes kb wud b useless since other person can easily run away or as u said be immune to dull
The 90warlock/90cleric has stuns too. And he will be able to put sleep on the one who has cleric 80. It'd probably be easy win for the 90warlock/90cleric. KB would not be useless in this fight, the 90warlock/80cleric/10warrior would be able to stop the other one by using shield trash , though it's too 'little' in my opinion, and I doubt the one with 10 warrior will be able to actually hit the 90warlock/90cleric.not to mention dot's r almost instant
Yeah, and the one with 80 cleric would probably get *fcked* up with dull from dark breath.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:14 pm
by aishsharma
ok watever i'll just see wat the server lacks bards or clerics in pt's...low lvls r noobs anyways so no way to go by them
raphaella(taken from some fairytale depicting a mean old lady) plz put down the dictionary its 12:45 am for godsake
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:39 pm
by raphaell666
aishsharma wrote:raphaella(taken from some fairytale depicting a mean old lady) plz put down the dictionary its 12:45 am for godsake
Yeah, and? Here it's 17:40. Sorry if I'm annoying you sire. My most sincere apologies.
And I was serious about this:
raphaell666 wrote:What do you mean by "heresay"? "Heresy", "Here say" or what?
I'm not from a english country by the way, and I don't really see a problem in asking that because I really did not understand.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:56 pm
by aishsharma
what annoys me more is wen u use
sire, sir is ok but SIRE
doesnt that make it seem like ur from some english or irish country....
and dont worry about insulting me or anythng u cud throw some of the worst insults u know at me and i would still probably only laugh at u if i took the time to listen to them(seriously wudnt matter to me if u were standing infront of me aslong as u dont go physical alls well for me)
i probably meant hearsay i thnk since i was talking abt what i had read in these forums(i nvr tried pure cleric build too boring+ as i said b4 bards just look cooler way cooler)
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:11 pm
by fobbytommy
For pvp warlock...I say cleric ...
so Warlock/ Cleric..
With good skill and control.. you can own alot of players -.-;;
Me..Blader... got owned by one of that kind of build...
Crazy ass debuffs pissed me off so much...
So.. Warlock to debuff other player and buff for urself
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:32 pm
by raphaell666
aishsharma wrote:what annoys me more is wen u use
sire, sir is ok but SIRE
doesnt that make it seem like ur from some english or irish country....
I believe I saw it in some irish movie... don't know. I use it to annoy people, I think.
aishsharma wrote:i probably meant hearsay i thnk since i was talking abt what i had read in these forums(i nvr tried pure cleric build too boring+ as i said b4 bards just look cooler way cooler)
I didn't know the word "hearsay".
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:06 am
by aishsharma
yes 'hearsay' is a word 'hearsy' is not btw
hearsay means "unverified information obtained by a 1st person from a some other person"
or somethng along those lines anyway
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:53 pm
by raphaell666
aishsharma wrote:yes 'hearsay' is a word 'hearsy' is not btw
hearsay means "unverified information obtained by a 1st person from a some other person"
or somethng along those lines anyway
I didn't say "hearsy" I said "heresy".
And yeah, I had already checked it on a dictionary.
Thanks anyways.
Re: bard sub for warlock
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:01 pm
by punch
anything/cleric is better in pvp than bard sub. although in group pvp that's slightly arguable.
however about the 80 cleric and 90 cleric issue...from my own experience i find it IMPOSSIBLE to even put curses on anyone with a holy word/spell that's as low as 4 levels lower than my curse/disease level. even if i do manage to spam enough curses and one sticks on the target, it's so easy to just change back to cleric and use innocent/integrity to remove it instantly. i could have lvl 9 disease on someone with holy word immunity to lvl 7 and never get a single curse on in 2 full cycles of cursing(division, decayed, weaken, impotent, wheel bind x2). Call me unlucky, but that happens all the time when i'm fighting anything/cleric. so don't worry about having 1 grade lower immunity, it doesn't matter and it's so easily removable. the time he spends trying to put one curse on you is probably 10x longer than the time u take to remove all of them.
shield thrash will really help in pvp, but if you're going bard sub for the nuke i'll suggest dropping it. maxed booming wave is probably better, not to mention all the other bonuses. if you're going cleric sub tho having shield trash will be viable. just shows how gay cleric is.