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Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:15 am
by Kazook
After playing a tons of characters to lvl 30 I see this isnt going anywhere.
So I have decided to finally choose one class and keep it till 90.
I want something good in pvp/pve which will also stay good after cap 100 and after future caps too.
I would probably choose some chinese but my problem is this 300 lvl mastery limit. After cap 100 it will be little too hard to make good build.
Opinions please if you recommend something else write it.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:21 am
by raphaell666
What do you prefer? Big swords? Big glaive? Bow? You don't care about the weapon? You prefer magic or 'real' fight? You like speed? You like defense?

Kazook wrote:After cap 100 it will be little too hard to make good build.

Not true. It won't be hard, you'll just have to delevel. But the chinese builds won't be weak at all. As far as I know chinese will only get stronger the higher the cap goes, comparing them to europeans.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:21 am
by Kazook
raphaell666 wrote:What do you prefer? Big swords? Big glaive? Bow? You don't care about the weapon? You prefer magic or 'real' fight? You like speed? You like defense?


I have no idea about it...
Thats why I opened this poll.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:41 am
by raphaell666
Kazook wrote:
raphaell666 wrote:What do you prefer? Big swords? Big glaive? Bow? You don't care about the weapon? You prefer magic or 'real' fight? You like speed? You like defense?


I have no idea about it...
Thats why I opened this poll.

Really? I always thought people would have personal preferences according to what they like to see, watch or read. Well, then it'll be hard to really help you. The best char for you is the one which you like the most. If you don't like it, doesn't matter how strong it is, you'll never be the best neither get to the cap. At least in my opinion. All the builds you asked about are strong. All of them have weaknesses also. You have to find one which fits your playing style. To be honest, I doubt indecisive people ever get to the cap or near it, if that's what you actually want. You can easily find cons and pros for each build by searching and/or watching videos/people PvPing.

Anyways:
Wizard/Bard
High speed. High damage. Low survivability, though it'll hardly ever get touched by the mobs it hunts at. Good range.
Warrior/Cleric
Good tanking; if you know how to use it its very strong. Good damage with 2h. Good at pvp.
Pure int s/s bich/light/cold
Good tanking, good damage, good speed and mobility. Good at pvp.
full str bower pach/fire/72 light/48 cold
Long range. Kind of good damage. Good tanking at cap. Good at pvp.
full str glavier heuksal/fire/72 light/48 cold(or force?)
Good build overall. High HP, good damage, good tanking.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:46 am
by Kazook
I will probably go bower or nuker. I love bower and they will become even better on cap 100 but I also love nukes and bich attacks... Going to wait for more answers.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:37 am
by ImmortalKiller
Kazook wrote:I will probably go bower or nuker. I love bower and they will become even better on cap 100 but I also love nukes and bich attacks... Going to wait for more answers.

A personal favorite of mine is the pure strength cold force bower.

But that's just me with an almost unique build.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:13 pm
by aishsharma
i prefer nukers-> flashy wep skills and high dmg nukes makes u more versatile imo


Offtopic
@raphaell
i notice that u never offer any opinions only gve summaries any particular reason or u prefer not to give ops?

i was just wondering frm ur posts dont answer if u dont wanna :P

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:33 pm
by raphaell666
aishsharma wrote:@raphaell
i notice that u never offer any opinions only gve summaries any particular reason or u prefer not to give ops?

i was just wondering frm ur posts dont answer if u dont wanna :P

It's because I always try to tell people that they cannot guide themselves by trying to find the "best uber build". In my opinion you must first focus on finding a build that fits your playing style, that you actually like. If you do that, then learn how to use your char and get good equipment, you'll very probably and eventually be strong (which is what everyone seems to seek in this game, I do seek that too). That's why I always summarize, so they can see what are the main good/bad points of the builds they are interested in, and choose the one that fits them. This is my opinion anyways.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:44 pm
by Ragnorak
glavier is the most balance class you can get, it will never fail u,
in terms of atk. power, and tanking ability

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:52 pm
by 300
hey Rapha u realy help ppl with good ways...u deserve to be 1 of VIP's @forum..we appercite ur help ...btw Was Wondering what about Going for warrior/warlock Instead of Warrior/Cleric
i know that Recovery Devision in Cleric Helps Much with Tanking According to the pot delay to eroup char's
I've saw much vedio's warlock/warrior, Other Warrior/cleric , Warlock/Cleric
i lvled my warlock/cleric to 32 atm but i see mobs as same as my lvl [pT Mobs,Giants] kill me pretty Fast[PURE INT] , but i kill General mobs too easy and suddenly giant pt or pt mob appears and kill me and lose the exp :D
You know some times its too laggy too that make me die , i plvl in Taxies but rly i get f***n bored from turkish kids , Looking @the Horse if i didnt get scammed -.-
so i decided to lvl that char to 50 or Smth and Plvl anew cahr but dunno yet which i pick warrior/Cleric or Warrior/warlock
as i saw at vedio's some ppl use Holy Spell and the debuffs ,curses effect them , does that bcuz thier HolyWord/Spell Lower than the debuffs
also i think if im in pvp with some 1 who use Special Pills and Got HolySpell Or HollyWord will my debuffers/stun/curses wont effect him or!
i love both Pve ,PvP , I love PvP More , Some 1 help meeh...Maybe The Weapons Skills @Warrior are enough to deal with them and that some Cleric Skills...
ah about the main topic here i saw my friend@rl who is playing with Ch Bower , Rly its so nice At Kb.Deal good dmg also good tanking
Srry for my Much Words :P

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:55 pm
by Kazook
what the hack man? Make your own thread and ask what you want to know -.-
Btw too bored to read that...

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:40 pm
by Nitro
I actually sent PM to SG to make raphaell mod of C&S, since they dont have one :P
raphaell666 for mod!!

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:18 pm
by Kazook
we should make thread with poll or something :)

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:49 pm
by JKMB
Nitro wrote:I actually sent PM to SG to make raphaell mod of C&S, since they dont have one :P
raphaell666 for mod!!

I would vote for that, +1 :P
On topic:
It really depends your playing style in rpg's, after all sro is an rpg, are the mage, the warrior or the rogue? that helps to narrow your build choices down a little. :P

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:56 pm
by raphaell666
Eh, thanks a lot. :) :oops:

You guys Nitro, Kazook, JKMB and others also help a lot of people, it's not fair to point out only me.

EDIT:
JKMB wrote:It really depends your playing style in rpg's, after all sro is an rpg, are the mage, the warrior or the rogue? that helps to narrow your build choices down a little. :P

+1 8)

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:21 am
by Confused
well..
if i had to choose between the chin chars..
it would be a str chara easy pick over int as we speak in higher caps ofc..
Cuz a str chin chara i dont think this 300limit would dmg them so much as for ints..
for example:
Glavie:
120 heuksal
120 fire
=240 that means we have 60 books left to put either in light or cold(force is use less at that lvl)
and everyone says diff about chin str´s
some say light is a must and some say cold and some say force..
and everyone have a good point..
so to make a fast call here..
a str chin can live whitout cold light and force kinda easy :)
they dont need those skills cuz its only a play style...
if u like def u take cold if u like speed u take light and if u like extra dmg and some other fancy moves u take force..
the only thing a str chara needs is Fire and wep skill really this 2 elements u cant live whitout...Done there !

on the other hand we have int´s
they need the cold for def+snowshield thats 120
and they need light for the nukes and buffs 120
here we go whit the 2 most important trees for a int to survive right..
and we have only 60 books left..hmm
wep skills?uhm not so great at 120cap
fire...hmm 60 fire wont hurt a fly at 120cap..
force useless...
So at this point when we have 120 lol if we still play i think that ints are useless...they wont survive whit 2,5 maxed tress...but the str chin can..
but at this cap and next int is very good...
Still this is just my view..and i come up whit this in 5min so it has prolly some wrongs in it..
no need to flame me for it..
So like i say if u plan for the future and wanna choose between a str and int chara this is what i offer u...
i would chose Str..
have fun

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:53 am
by aishsharma
i thnk 100 cap is still a yr away and i doubt if any non-hardore players will be able to lvl beyond that euro pt or no so planning for the 120 cap(if/wen it comes out) is kinda useless :P

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:36 pm
by raphaell666
Confused wrote:on the other hand we have int´s
they need the cold for def+snowshield thats 120
and they need light for the nukes and buffs 120
here we go whit the 2 most important trees for a int to survive right..
and we have only 60 books left..hmm
wep skills?uhm not so great at 120cap
fire...hmm 60 fire wont hurt a fly at 120cap..
force useless...
So at this point when we have 120 lol if we still play i think that ints are useless...they wont survive whit 2,5 maxed tress...but the str chin can..

That's not quite true. Chinese ints will do just well with cold/light (pure int) or maybe 120fire/60light/120cold (I certainly would try this one) I don't think they will really need weapon skills, as we see in ksro, silkroad is much more fun when it's in group pvping, and so weapon skills for nukers will be pretty much useless, and people will be all buffed by clerics/warriors, so a high damage would be better than survivability in 1vs1 through weapon skills. Chinese ints will be nowhere near useless.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:49 pm
by Confused
raphaell666 wrote:
Confused wrote:on the other hand we have int´s
they need the cold for def+snowshield thats 120
and they need light for the nukes and buffs 120
here we go whit the 2 most important trees for a int to survive right..
and we have only 60 books left..hmm
wep skills?uhm not so great at 120cap
fire...hmm 60 fire wont hurt a fly at 120cap..
force useless...
So at this point when we have 120 lol if we still play i think that ints are useless...they wont survive whit 2,5 maxed tress...but the str chin can..

That's not quite true. Chinese ints will do just well with cold/light (pure int) or maybe 120fire/60light/120cold (I certainly would try this one) I don't think they will really need weapon skills, as we see in ksro, silkroad is much more fun when it's in group pvping, and so weapon skills for nukers will be pretty much useless, and people will be all buffed by clerics/warriors, so a high damage would be better than survivability in 1vs1 through weapon skills. Chinese ints will be nowhere near useless.


how about 1vrs1 pvp?
but still like i said i write this in 5min and it has some defects :)

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:39 pm
by raphaell666
Confused wrote:how about 1vrs1 pvp?

I believe they'd just lack weapon skills and would be like a high survivability wizard without the knocking back skill. I don't think they'd ever suck at it. They'd also have the phy and mag walls which would help. Now I've came to the conclusion that I'd certainly do it with 120fire/120cold/60light.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:41 pm
by Confused
but how about the dps?
a blader or a glavier can handle the dmg from nukes and have time to repot..That means if u go whit that build u must have really really nice gear to kill..

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:45 pm
by Jstar1
go glaiver or warrior, they are both good at pvp and pve and relatively straightfoward to manage

your probably thinking too hard. There cant ever be a build that does everything you want it too. You just have to go with something that fits 70% or 80% of your ideal build.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:15 pm
by raphaell666
Confused wrote:but how about the dps?
a blader or a glavier can handle the dmg from nukes and have time to repot..That means if u go whit that build u must have really really nice gear to kill..

I'm pretty sure that's not true. I believe the damage chinese nukers will deal will be way higher when compared to now. Anyways, as they won't have weapon skills, yes, DPS might be a problem. Though we cannot be sure as we're pretty far away from that, but I still insist it wont be a big problem. But damn, It's so farcking cool to see ksro group pvp videos, that I won't even care if a char that I use is not so good at 1vs1 pvping. By the way, in ksro, which is 10D if I recall it correctly, chinese nukers seem to be really strong but they only cast nukes, they don't seem to have any weapon skills. Anyways, I just hope that people in isro start to go more for group pvping, because it seems a damn lot of fun, way more than cape pvp.

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:30 pm
by aishsharma
raphaell666 wrote:
Confused wrote:but how about the dps?
a blader or a glavier can handle the dmg from nukes and have time to repot..That means if u go whit that build u must have really really nice gear to kill..

I'm pretty sure that's not true. I believe the damage chinese nukers will deal will be way higher when compared to now. Anyways, as they won't have weapon skills, yes, DPS might be a problem. Though we cannot be sure as we're pretty far away from that, but I still insist it wont be a big problem. But damn, It's so farcking cool to see ksro group pvp videos, that I won't even care if a char that I use is not so good at 1vs1 pvping. By the way, in ksro, which is 10D if I recall it correctly, chinese nukers seem to be really strong but they only cast nukes, they don't seem to have any weapon skills. Anyways, I just hope that people in isro start to go more for group pvping, because it seems a damn lot of fun, way more than cape pvp.


doubt it could happen here since most ppl only play for the "ultimate" pvp build

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:36 pm
by Confused
aishsharma wrote:
raphaell666 wrote:
Confused wrote:but how about the dps?
a blader or a glavier can handle the dmg from nukes and have time to repot..That means if u go whit that build u must have really really nice gear to kill..

I'm pretty sure that's not true. I believe the damage chinese nukers will deal will be way higher when compared to now. Anyways, as they won't have weapon skills, yes, DPS might be a problem. Though we cannot be sure as we're pretty far away from that, but I still insist it wont be a big problem. But damn, It's so farcking cool to see ksro group pvp videos, that I won't even care if a char that I use is not so good at 1vs1 pvping. By the way, in ksro, which is 10D if I recall it correctly, chinese nukers seem to be really strong but they only cast nukes, they don't seem to have any weapon skills. Anyways, I just hope that people in isro start to go more for group pvping, because it seems a damn lot of fun, way more than cape pvp.


doubt it could happen here since most ppl only play for the "ultimate" pvp build



thats true...
isro will never be as ksro
they have much better players :(
but maybe iam wrong and sometime in a far far future isro might be same typ of players as ksro

Re: Time to choose!

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:39 pm
by aishsharma
Confused wrote:
thats true...
isro will never be as ksro
they have much better players :(
but maybe iam wrong and sometime in a far far future isro might be same typ of players as ksro


:?
even tho most ppl on this forum refer to it as a dying game??