JoyMax Are Not Fair With Bow Users

[Strwarrior]

Hi all



i just wanted to explain how joymax didnt give the bow any effect (kb,stun)
only untill lvl 73 and 76 that almost very hard work to get ur first effects



as u will see here how the another builds are more lucky

2h warrior
lvl 4 kb (bows 73)
lvl 10 kd (bows No)
lvl 30 stun (bows 76)

wiz
lvl 20 kb (bows 73)

blade
lvl 19 kd

glavie
lvl 14 stun (lol we 76)

and alot another builds have better
and
THE HUGE DIFF BETWEEN THE BOW AND THE ANOTHER BUILDS
comment as u like

[agentcool5]

lol
u got crit increase on frist book series
too many attack rate increase
u got a 350% skill (spirit arrow i guess) that is powerfull enough than any chinese str attack
just do more lvling to get that status u want
bowers in cap 9 and 100 a pwnerz

[Strwarrior]

well i know its true
about what u said


but its still doesnt look fair
1 skill
isnt that much like stun kb ......etc
and who will do 90 and 100 are rare

[Ningyotsukai-san]

If you think it's not as fair now, you should've seen archers before the skills update.

Atleast now Strongbow's charge time's cut back and your only interruption skill (if you wanna call it that) isn't a phantom (from a whole 'nother mastery tree).

Archers have two 350% attacks (devil arrow w/ AR increase), Distance / Crit increase and an addition of Stun on Strongbow, and an annoying Knockback skill that usually works the large majority of the time.

At 100 cap, Pacheon users get another knockback attack...so they're able to spam kb back-to-back, which is a nice advantage to you and an annoying technique to whoever you fight.

[Strwarrior]

If you think it's not as fair now, you should've seen archers before the skills update.

Atleast now Strongbow's charge time's cut back and your only interruption skill (if you wanna call it that) isn't a phantom (from a whole 'nother mastery tree).

Archers have two 350% attacks (devil arrow w/ AR increase), Distance / Crit increase and an addition of Stun on Strongbow, and an annoying Knockback skill that usually works the large majority of the time.

At 100 cap, Pacheon users get another knockback attack...so they're able to spam kb back-to-back, which is a nice advantage to you and an annoying technique to whoever you fight.

true but they get these skills at high lvls
i dont say bow is weak
but i mean y another builds get it at low and we get it at high

[IDontPlaySRO]

Bows get it high because everyone was complaining about how bows sucked in comparison to Glaivers and shit. They decided to put KB and Stun in to remedy it.

[Ragnorak]

A lot of bowers are excited/expecting that the bower 100 cap skill 6 arrow combo is not link to the 5 arrow combo, though it would very effective in group pvp/job wars ect...I don't think u can kill anyone by spamming the 5 arrow then a strong bow follow by a 6 arrow combo in a 1/1 pvp...thought It would be most effective vs warriors to wait for there bless/skins to end or vs nukers>>>wait for there snow to end..other builds idk.

[nohunta]

Cant wait already farming my bow. 6 KB, Aint Devil, 5 KB, Strong bow....Rinse and repeat. Throw in a berserker arrow every now and then.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

whats unfair to me might be the arrow usage:
non silk buyers will fill up their inventories with arrows and (especially full str)
will drain them pretty quickly while using the arrow combos.

Crossbow does higher damage in hits and the bowers do higher average hits than Xbow damage:

Crossbow uses less but is easier to counter while bow relies on loads of arrows

[wetgwap]

i hate baby crys
stop whining get ur self a good set n wep or start a new char

[ieatpasta]

It would be most effective vs warriors to wait for there bless/skins to end or vs nukers>>>wait for there snow to end..other builds idk.

You might as well just run away, instead of wasting arrows and pots.

[ArchersCreed]

well if ur too cheap to pay like 500 gold for another 250 arrows mybe u shouldent be archer try blader or something begginer freindly like glaive

[ieatpasta]

Well if you can't kill the warrior in bless, why would you want to risk the chance of being defeated? You OBVIOUSLY won't be able to kill him, but he still has a slight chance to kill you.

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

Strong bow is insanely powerful.
Bowers got loads of crit increase.
Less pot delay. (vs. euro)

Everythings got it's ups and downs.

[phulshof]

but its still doesnt look fair
1 skill
isnt that much like stun kb ......etc
and who will do 90 and 100 are rare

It's not fair that bladers and glaivers have to run all over the place to kill things while the bow user (and in a lesser degree the nukers) can just stand and shoot either. We all have to make our sacrifices. Each build has its advantages and disadvantages.

[_Scarlett_]

2h warrior
lvl 4 kb (bows 73)
lvl 10 kd (bows No)
lvl 30 stun (bows 76)

wiz
lvl 20 kb (bows 73)

I'd say it'd be more fair to compare archers to only chinese seeing as euro came around the same time archers gained their KB and Stun skills; given that even then on the older servers most of the committed archers were in their 6x+

However, Archers had their own bonuses that other masteries didn't have, and/or still don't. They have crit increase on skills that starts at Lv5 and at Lv90 they have what? crit 40 increase on a skill (bladers don't get that until their level 90 stab skill and it's just crit 5 increase). Archers also have AR increase as a skill and also on a skill. They also have range increase.

[foudre]

2h warrior
lvl 4 kb (bows 73)
lvl 10 kd (bows No)
lvl 30 stun (bows 76)

wiz
lvl 20 kb (bows 73)

I'd say it'd be more fair to compare archers to only chinese seeing as euro came around the same time archers gained their KB and Stun skills; given that even then on the older servers most of the committed archers were in their 6x+

However, Archers had their own bonuses that other masteries didn't have, and/or still don't. They have crit increase on skills that starts at Lv5 and at Lv90 they have what? crit 40 increase on a skill (bladers don't get that until their level 90 stab skill and it's just crit 5 increase). Archers also have AR increase as a skill and also on a skill. They also have range increase.

lol 2 handers have a crit increase passive

but archer kicketh ass

archers don't need the knock back to kill

now whats unfair is that force mastery has no imbue, and doesn't get its first aoe heal till lvl 70 something and even then only transfer 2, force may very well be dead at higher caps unless they change that

[the_wicked]

Cant wait already farming my bow. 6 KB, Aint Devil, 5 KB, Strong bow....Rinse and repeat. Throw in a berserker arrow every now and then.

not enough to kill a decent str player who is smart enough to have a non-garm set =x

archers at this cap strong bow me in garms for like 9k max. 18k crit if they're lucky. So that means.....if you spam arrow combo's...i can pot it off =x

[foudre]

Cant wait already farming my bow. 6 KB, Aint Devil, 5 KB, Strong bow....Rinse and repeat. Throw in a berserker arrow every now and then.

not enough to kill a decent str player who is smart enough to have a non-garm set =x

archers at this cap strong bow me in garms for like 9k max. 18k crit if they're lucky. So that means.....if you spam arrow combo's...i can pot it off =x

wizzards can't though

[tedtwilliger]

I see the KB as a "last chance to get hp" or an interruption move for force skills. KB, debuffs, KB, heals ( if needed ) strongbow blah blah.

Or if your running low on hp, KB, heal, KB etc, gives you a chance to pot and heal. Force ftw.

[XemnasXD]

i've always thought bowers had it too easy. Not only do they have range but they also has the most powerful Chinese Str moves on a crit+they have crit increase. they're basically a slightly less powerful version of X-bow only they're faster. if you guys got 1KB skill that would be enough 2 back2back seems like overkill but nothing a good sheild won't be able to weather...your just delaying defeat..

[NuclearSilo]

No, it's fair.
Other build maybe have effect skill soon, but the probability always be the same until higher cap (blader 50% kd, glaiver 30% stun 30% KB). While bow's skill probability increase with the level.

+ crit skill: 20 25 30 35 40 45 50
+ more KB at late cap
+ Probability of stun and +crit strong bow increase: now 25% stun +10 crit, later 25% stun +15 crit, +20 crit..

If ur not agreed with that, bow'll sux if all the probability stay the same.

[Verfo]

Typing Like This Is As Annoying As CapsLock.

[banana]

bowers are the best in chinese class
i know that we get the status ( kb stun ) at high lv but thatz bco too many ppl use bow for fck to other. soo gaymax put advantages on us like a gift bcoz we grind alllllllllllllllll time and when we finally get the lv 73/76 we get the status =) its like a world cup for chin archerz