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Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:09 pm
by bugy92
Hi ! I have an full str bow char (lvl 72 atm, farming)...And I want to know how good is in pvp the full str archer at 90 Cap and maybe 100 Cap. I ask this, because in all posts that are asked for some ideas of good pvp builds, I couldn`t find bow anywhere. So why all people think bow isn`t good at pvp? It is full str, and with those insane crits can pwn at pvp, don`t you think? Please, need some 85+ lvl archers to tell me their opinion: how good is archer at pvp, what chances does it have versus other builds, etc. Please, do not give answers like "Go use search function" or "All builds are good at pvp" or "look at videos at youtube". Just answer if you have any opinion about this subject or you have some experience(maybe you have an high lvl archer and you did a lot of pvp`s). Thx and have a good day!
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:22 pm
by VeniVidiVici
Well, I'm not 85 yet. But Bow is really good in pvp but it's the way you play it. Every build is strong if the person plays it right. Bow will go insane at 100 cap (6 arrow combo, but let's hope it will not be linked =p). Bow at 90 cap is also strong but as I said before it's the player who makes the difference.
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:05 pm
by omgomg123
[SW]UnDutchabIe wrote:Well, I'm not 85 yet. But Bow is really good in pvp but it's the way you play it. Every build is strong if the person plays it right. Bow will go insane at 100 cap (6 arrow combo, but let's hope it will not be linked =p). Bow at 90 cap is also strong but as I said before it's the player who makes the difference.
offtopic:it's not linked to 5 arrow combo i already saw it in csro.....they use 6 arrow combo then 5 arrow combo
ontopic: str bow is the best build for 90 cap...they got insane crits....and the other thing is that like wat [SW]UnDutchabIe it's the way u play it
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:51 pm
by selenne
u wont win warriors and bladers.
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:23 pm
by XesoS
selenne wrote:u wont win warriors and bladers.
U tell bullshit ? Archers are ONE of the Strongest builds atm and his power will grove @100
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:31 pm
by bugy92
Ok guys thx for answers. I hope I will be a good pvp`er at 90 cap and maybe 100 cap. And I still accept sugestions ...
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:54 pm
by PinayLoveNukes
bugy92 wrote:Ok guys thx for answers. I hope I will be a good pvp`er at 90 cap and maybe 100 cap. And I still accept sugestions ...
Thats true. Bow at lvl 100 with 6 and 5 arrow comb then. you wont escape.... you'l be getting spamed knockback by a bower.. which you'll never get out unless you got ghost phantom.. or you log out.lol
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:22 pm
by BaronSengir
XesoS wrote:selenne wrote:u wont win warriors and bladers.
U tell bullshit ? Archers are ONE of the Strongest builds atm and his power will grove @100
you wish a bower can kill a warrior or a blader if you think spamming kb for a bower is "strong" then i have nothing to say
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:33 pm
by XesoS
BaronSengir wrote:XesoS wrote:selenne wrote:u wont win warriors and bladers.
U tell bullshit ? Archers are ONE of the Strongest builds atm and his power will grove @100
you wish a bower can kill a warrior or a blader if you think spamming kb for a bower is "strong" then i have nothing to say
Sorry Mr but i am not bower in game im Hybrid nuker . I have Pvp vs Archers and Warriors . I know wich one are strongest . Warriors = 1v1 Just fine 2v1 and he is done . Archers in other hand are Handy in pvp and in JobWars . They can tank thanks to Stun and KnockBack . And As we all Know Archers Criticals are Deadly like Warrior (2H Warrior)
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:38 pm
by OTG
XesoS wrote:selenne wrote:u wont win warriors and bladers.
U tell bullshit ? Archers are ONE of the Strongest builds atm and his power will grove @100
It extremely hard for Archers to beat bladers at 90. Im 88 now and Ive only died to a sun bower in armor, but I tanked him for 1 minute without the use of ice, snow, or anything to prevent his attacks from hitting me constanly.
As a blader I can tell you Ive beaten 90 FF bowers. What alot of bowers do is spam knockback when they are dying. Only time a 90 full farm bower with +7 got me low enough was when they stun me with Strong Bow, which has a 15% chance. All I do is put up Iron Wall and they dont hurt me at all.
I tend to do Flying Stone Smash (Bleed) then they knockback and then I do my Lighting Chain (Bleed, Impotent, Division) since they wont be able to interrupt it only by Strong Bow now and i'll knockdown FTW if I have Bleed + Division on them.
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:07 pm
by BaronSengir
XesoS wrote:Sorry Mr but i am not bower in game im Hybrid nuker . I have Pvp vs Archers and Warriors . I know wich one are strongest . Warriors = 1v1 Just fine 2v1 and he is done . Archers in other hand are Handy in pvp and in JobWars . They can tank thanks to Stun and KnockBack . And As we all Know Archers Criticals are Deadly like Warrior (2H Warrior)
i guess i can see where you are coming from .... umm warrior is more useful than archers in job wars since most of them are cleric subs i dont need to say that alone beats archers skills hands down not to mention warrior sklls skins and it can buff other players ...... now for that part you said about 2v1 warrior is done LOL you have got to be kidding me 2v1 warriors still do fine
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:24 pm
by tedtwilliger
selenne wrote:u wont win warriors and bladers.
Against bladers: 100 fire 100 bow 100 force. KB, De buffs, KB, more de buffs incase they didn't hit. Stun ( 80% force stun move ) or KB, strongbow ( with a crit chances of death are high ), if that stuns then add in an anti devil arrow ( with a 40 % crit increase or w.e it is, chances are it will crit ). With de buffs and those two moves critting chances are they will be dead. ( no pot update for the 100 cap ) Without special pills the chances of winning are very high.
Against warriors.. well no comment really. Those things are just dam over powered. If they are sub cleric just KB out the bless + skins ( cold would be better over force in this case ). If they aren't cleric sub force would go well, similar strat except just KB out the skins when they use them. Though with that said it really wouldn't be easy to kill, lets hope warriors defensive buffs lower their attack in future caps ( which it should, a warror is meant to tank not kill ).
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:44 am
by VeniVidiVici
tedtwilliger wrote:selenne wrote:u wont win warriors and bladers.
Against bladers: 100 fire 100 bow 100 force. KB, De buffs, KB, more de buffs incase they didn't hit. Stun ( 80% force stun move ) or KB, strongbow ( with a crit chances of death are high ), if that stuns then add in an anti devil arrow ( with a 40 % crit increase or w.e it is, chances are it will crit ). With de buffs and those two moves critting chances are they will be dead. ( no pot update for the 100 cap ) Without special pills the chances of winning are very high.
Against warriors.. well no comment really. Those things are just dam over powered. If they are sub cleric just KB out the bless + skins ( cold would be better over force in this case ). If they aren't cleric sub force would go well, similar strat except just KB out the skins when they use them. Though with that said it really wouldn't be easy to kill, lets hope warriors defensive buffs lower their attack in future caps ( which it should, a warror is meant to tank not kill ).
Yeah, that's why I took Force. Too bad about the 20 sec cooldown =\.
EDIT: Stun from Force is at lvl 110. At 100 cap there won't be a new debuff.
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:46 am
by tedtwilliger
Oh really? dam that ruins my plan
>_>
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:57 am
by weymouthhall
I honestly dont think bowers post any threats against warriors, let alone warrior/cleric. Warrior/cleric may take awhile to kill bowers since warrior hit slow and bowers have KB skills, but im warrior/rogue and finishing a bower take me no times at all
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=BHC4sUW8Ij4&feature=user above is an example
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:27 pm
by Strwarrior
bow @ 100cap (with light)
6/5 arrow kb
stun
ghost walk
i think u know what i mean
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:15 pm
by selenne
XesoS wrote:selenne wrote:u wont win warriors and bladers.
U tell bullshit ? Archers are ONE of the Strongest builds atm and his power will grove @100
i am a bower, so i dun think u can teach me much about em
u can only win bladers and warriors if their conditions are worse than yours (bad gears or underfarmed).
warrior 1h + warlock = once debuffs are on, ure dead
warrior + cleric = argh. bless, buffs, skins and u just cant kill.
bladers+ fire + force = damn tankers + high dmg + can handle ss
bladers + fire + ice + light = DAMN tankers. counter atks and move breakers through kd. not talkin about da annoyin blocks.
@ted - we're at 90 cap.
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:29 pm
by DeathBeforeDishonor
XesoS wrote:selenne wrote:u wont win warriors and bladers.
U tell bullshit ? Archers are ONE of the Strongest builds atm and his power will grove @100
Every build gets new skills at 100, Arrow combos dont kill..
they are more of a defensive skill...
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:04 am
by Goseki
The reason bow aren't mentioned much because you have to kind of use your brain to kill. Spamming kb can't kill ppl your lvl... it just annoys the **** out of them. To kill and be safe, I find kb + crit/stun, dash attack, kb, attack, dash, attack, kb, dash. A majority of bowers pvp like the rest. they stand still and attack. Unlike other builds which have defensive buffs, a bower rely on distance, aka, kb, and the crit to kill. So to ensure survivability, either have walls to throw up, my friend took walls and he does pretty well in pvp, or have dash so you can maintain a distance and have the advantage.
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:22 am
by alZen
Goseki wrote:The reason bow aren't mentioned much because you have to kind of use your brain to kill. Spamming kb can't kill ppl your lvl... it just annoys the **** out of them. To kill and be safe, I find kb + crit/stun, dash attack, kb, attack, dash, attack, kb, dash. A majority of bowers pvp like the rest. they stand still and attack. Unlike other builds which have defensive buffs, a bower rely on distance, aka, kb, and the crit to kill. So to ensure survivability, either have walls to throw up, my friend took walls and he does pretty well in pvp, or have dash so you can maintain a distance and have the advantage.
indeed. archers should keep moving to max its advantage of range.
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:37 am
by DeathBeforeDishonor
Yeah with bowers the skill of the player is critical.
Though its a big factor with any build in PvP. Learn
your character and you should do good, don't and you
will be as good as the other 100000 people who stand
and spam skills.
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:10 am
by Strwarrior
selenne wrote:XesoS wrote:selenne wrote:u wont win warriors and bladers.
U tell bullshit ? Archers are ONE of the Strongest builds atm and his power will grove @100
i am a bower, so i dun think u can teach me much about em
u can only win bladers and warriors if their conditions are worse than yours (bad gears or underfarmed).
warrior 1h + warlock = once debuffs are on, ure dead
warrior + cleric = argh. bless, buffs, skins and u just cant kill.
bladers+ fire + force = damn tankers + high dmg + can handle ss
bladers + fire + ice + light = DAMN tankers. counter atks and move breakers through kd. not talkin about da annoyin blocks.
@ted - we're at 90 cap.
stop saying SHiT
if u are rele a bow u will not say this lol
w/e u say its at the end how u play ur char and the gear
ive just saw a 2h warrior with cleric and some sox parts
got killed by a bow
(they were lvl 90)
so u ask u dont understand any thing in this game
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:25 pm
by agentcool5
bowers are good in pvp in this cap
but still blader is a blader too hard to day
just the gears that make the deference
i have a blader lvl 86 dont die from a lvl 90 full farmed
one they got 2 crit on me i KD + iron wall
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:49 pm
by selenne
Strwarrior wrote:
stop saying SHiT
if u are rele a bow u will not say this lol
w/e u say its at the end how u play ur char and the gear
ive just saw a 2h warrior with cleric and some sox parts
got killed by a bow
(they were lvl 90)
so u ask u dont understand any thing in this game
u've just saw ONE 2h warrior get killed by bow.
and dont come say shit about me. i can win most of players at my lvl @ olympus. the only annoyin ones are bladers and warriors. if that warrior lost, hes a moron. probably underfarmed or anything else. "just saw 2 90 pvpin" bah. i know tons of bladers and warriors that would never get killed by bows.
and: all those things i said are applied to the MOST of cases. every build can kill every build. but some hav advantages when fightin others. and bowers can be easily stopped by a blader or a good warrior. specially if youre pure str, on garms.
thats all.
edit- a player from venus with 8 posts: lvl and build, please.
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:37 pm
by PinayLoveNukes
selenne wrote:Strwarrior wrote:
stop saying SHiT
if u are rele a bow u will not say this lol
w/e u say its at the end how u play ur char and the gear
ive just saw a 2h warrior with cleric and some sox parts
got killed by a bow
(they were lvl 90)
so u ask u dont understand any thing in this game
u've just saw ONE 2h warrior get killed by bow.
and dont come say shit about me. i can win most of players at my lvl @ olympus. the only annoyin ones are bladers and warriors. if that warrior lost, hes a moron. probably underfarmed or anything else. "just saw 2 90 pvpin" bah. i know tons of bladers and warriors that would never get killed by bows.
and: all those things i said are applied to the MOST of cases. every build can kill every build. but some hav advantages when fightin others. and bowers can be easily stopped by a blader or a good warrior. specially if youre pure str, on garms.
thats all.
edit- a player from venus with 8 posts: lvl and build, please.
WOOOT TRUE.. 100 cap Bow > blader,warrior,glavie
mwahaahaah
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:01 pm
by disturbed667
bowers are great in pvp at this new cap, you guys saying otherwise must not know how to play your own char. i have a lvl 90 pure str bower (90 pacheon/90 fire/ 90 light/30 cold) and i wear a fb +5 armor set. using a mere 85+5 bow. i can hold my own against anyone pretty much except the sun users.
warriors are no problem. they have thier high critical skills, thats when you use 5 arrow KB to eliminate the crit and stun. if you get taken down by a blader, when you stand up, or become unstunned, use 5 arrow to KB, then strong bow to stun them, followed by whatever you see fit to win. they usually only win if 2/4 of thier stabs are high crits.
i usually win 80% of my pvps depending on how the other players gear is, and how well they can play thier char. i went on for 20 minutes fighting HOA_glavie whos a pure str blader. you just have to know how to hold your own pretty much.
the most trouble i have to be honest is with wizards and rogues. they can shoot from out of nowhere and kill you when your not paying attention.
force is good for the debuffs then maybe a crit after if your lucky, but other than that..waste.
so for you guys saying that bowers suck this cap..BLOW ME!
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:14 pm
by dutchleader
Could u explain me how u are gonna use ur kb 5 arrow combo when ur stunned or lying on the floor please? When I get kbed by the arrow combo , I see it as time to heal myself to. And, what if a 2hander isnt using DD unless ur stunned or right after ur kb combo? Or for exemple waht works nice for me: I use maddening, the bower thinks its DD and kb's me, right after that I can get my DD off easily.
No one is saying bow sxcks in pvp. Its just that tanks have the advantage vs a bow user.
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:36 am
by tedtwilliger
selenne wrote:@ted - we're at 90 cap.
bugy92 wrote:And I want to know how good is in pvp the full str archer at 90 Cap and maybe 100 Cap
Re: Full Str BOW in PvP
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:29 am
by ArchersCreed
Now im a pure strenth archer and i pvp alot, i own many people my own lvl and even people higher... wizs no problem even if tehre 10 lvls above, warriors 2h are tough when there higher but preety easy if u have knock back and stun
in my own opinion i think archer do more then pull there own in pvp
