Sun Blader VS Sun 2 Handed

[ahmedsabry]

dough
if both r sun why did u mention it?
why didnt u just say a blader vs a 2hander....?

[Cross]

ok im a pure int s/s nuker and id like to tell u that i kill a wizard using 1-2 lion shouts sometimes i have to use a 3rd if hes wearing good equip but they rarely one hit me, actually it never happened...
and since they dont i can kill them using ONE light nuke easily

my cousin's character is 68 and he has a SUN sword +7 and he kills a lvl 80 wizard from a lion shout

THEY SUCK !!


EDIT: sorry for the off-topic discussion and id go for either they are both marvelous...

[JoyFax]

Glaivers can lower this with Bloody Snake Storm.
But archers can't do much to lower it.

They do one combo and the cleric can't do it anymore xD

[LockStar.]

dough
if both r sun why did u mention it?
why didnt u just say a blader vs a 2hander....?

If both have Sun weapons but not sun protection, a 2H will have a higher advantage over the blader, that is the point.

[NobleHunter]

ok im a pure int s/s nuker and id like to tell u that i kill a wizard using 1-2 lion shouts sometimes i have to use a 3rd if hes wearing good equip but they rarely one hit me, actually it never happened...
and since they dont i can kill them using ONE light nuke easily

my cousin's character is 68 and he has a SUN sword +7 and he kills a lvl 80 wizard from a lion shout

THEY SUCK !!


EDIT: sorry for the off-topic discussion and id go for either they are both marvelous...

It looks like you never pvped a wiz before.

[Cross]

ok im a pure int s/s nuker and id like to tell u that i kill a wizard using 1-2 lion shouts sometimes i have to use a 3rd if hes wearing good equip but they rarely one hit me, actually it never happened...
and since they dont i can kill them using ONE light nuke easily

my cousin's character is 68 and he has a SUN sword +7 and he kills a lvl 80 wizard from a lion shout

THEY SUCK !!


EDIT: sorry for the off-topic discussion and id go for either they are both marvelous...

It looks like you never pvped a wiz before.

i did, please read carefully

[William-CL]

Depends who's behind the controls....

Exactly. I defeated a s/s nuker (lvl 32+) when I was lvl 29, just because he didn't know how to properly play his build. Instead of trying to use his knockdown skills, knock me down and use the time to nuke me, he just stood and tried to nuke me again and again. Since he was just lvl ~32, I knew he wasn't immune to ice, so I used my cold imbue to give him frostbite or freeze him, then he was an easy kill.

If you don't know how to play it doesn't really matter what class you are. That's why all these fully farmed lvl 80 botters lose to players in the 7x's time and time again.

At 90 cap in ksro, they fixed the immunity to ice, so it should be fixed for us as well

[NobleHunter]

ok im a pure int s/s nuker and id like to tell u that i kill a wizard using 1-2 lion shouts sometimes i have to use a 3rd if hes wearing good equip but they rarely one hit me, actually it never happened...
and since they dont i can kill them using ONE light nuke easily

my cousin's character is 68 and he has a SUN sword +7 and he kills a lvl 80 wizard from a lion shout

THEY SUCK !!


EDIT: sorry for the off-topic discussion and id go for either they are both marvelous...

It looks like you never pvped a wiz before.

i did, please read carefully

So you think you can 1 hit a wizard before he can 1 hit you?
He is the one hiding and waiting for the perfect moment to attack, the wizard has more chances to kill you first, thats why im telling you, looks like you never pvped a wizard before. Wizards dont suck, the guy behind the computer sucks. To say wizards sucks i can tell your experience against them is 0.

[weymouthhall]

I think 2hander will win.Say going up against a warrior/ cleric(most common warrior build, I think), even with sun blade and sun shield, the blader wont do much damage to the warrior under bless spell and skin relay. Between cool down, they only need to turn on vital increase and after 30secs, woala, bless spell and skin GOD MODE again

[TheDrop]

u guyz are saying warrior will surely win and shit. but blader with sun armor can beat blader ez. remember 2h only do physical dmg, and blader have the best physical defense (without buff). bladers have magical dmg aswell as physical. they also have a shield. Defense buffs?blade can tank through. bless? blade can pot it.after 45 secs, with 2h's pot delay, 2h is dead. and bladers can always tank those 45 secs off. also, blade has snow shield

also it depends on who is controlling them O_O

[dannoob]

i just remembered also, if 2h has no sub, ice blader will own it easy... and with cleric sub as long as holy word is lower than ice effect it still works. If not the high attack speed, and shield technique series can helpa great deal. The combos with bleed and division and i think impotence will greatly reduce the strength of the warrior. As well lets nto forget he will have to change to his cleric sub mid battle which will leave him vulnerable to some mroe powerful attacks. Also since bladers attack really fast they have a really high chance of crit which may just win the battle

[NobleHunter]

i just remembered also, if 2h has no sub, ice blader will own it easy... and with cleric sub as long as holy word is lower than ice effect it still works. If not the high attack speed, and shield technique series can helpa great deal. The combos with bleed and division and i think impotence will greatly reduce the strength of the warrior. As well lets nto forget he will have to change to his cleric sub mid battle which will leave him vulnerable to some mroe powerful attacks. Also since bladers attack really fast they have a really high chance of crit which may just win the battle

yeah but blader crits are too weak compared to 2 handed crits, an BTW if the warrior switch to cleric can use a shield, so i dont think he is more vulnerable, he can just heal himself, use bless spell and then continue with the fight. I dont think the blader can kill the warrior

[alZen]

At 90 cap in ksro, they fixed the immunity to ice, so it should be fixed for us as well

what was the fix? that fireshield is effect reduction and not % reduction? i'm interested to know. and are you certain? thanks.

[hanspicek]

This is a really nice topic:)

Thnx a lot guys you really helped me out:)

[Libertarian]

The new bicheon skill is nice - lower your shield's defence by a certain percentage, and gain a certain number to your physical attack power. This means you take more damage, but you also deal more damage - and since you're already pretty much a brick wall, it's a great skill for bladers (not for s/s nukers :S ).

[KarmaPolice]

It depends on what kind of blader we're talking. A Force blader (like myself) has Impotent x 2 (one from Force debuff, one from from Lightning Chain) at an 80% success rate, Bleed and Division. Add to that the shield passive and the shield buff that gives you ~50% higher blocking ratio. With a good shield this means that you will block a lot more than 50% of all attacks.

I also have my healing spells, both to heal HP (the highest one heals something like 6000HP I think) and remove status effects. I also have Vital Spot Muscle and Vital Spot Spirit, that decreases your parry ratio and attack rating, making you hit me for less damage, and making you easier for me to hit.

Cold 30 also gives me a 20% Snow Shield, and Lightning 90 increases my own Parry ratio by...a lot.

Add to this the knockdown + three stab attacks, and you're looking at an interesting fight.

I think that the Chinese Force blader is THE most overlooked class in the game.

lol your build is fail, you lost more than 20% dmg by not having fire

and worest of all, you leveled up force for a few useless skills that can be cured, blue pills can cure up to 2 status (maybe more but i havent tried) if you know the bug to it, just pvp any 80 farmed that jobs a lot, and they will know this bug

[hanspicek]

So with those new skill.. and the new stab skill do bladers own??
I havent played the new update yet soo.. can you tell me how bladers are now??

Greetz

[Kritikal]

it depends on how the blader plays
to do only chain then the blader is dead
the blader should know when to use chain and when to use KDs
i think the chance is 50-50
to be fair the blader should wear armor instaed of garment
I PVPed with a 2h warrior full farm while i was at 7 gaps
with his cleric sub its kinda hard for me to kill
i used 25% snow and ironwall and its hard for him to kill me either

i died though....;p

[Libertarian]

It depends on what kind of blader we're talking. A Force blader (like myself) has Impotent x 2 (one from Force debuff, one from from Lightning Chain) at an 80% success rate, Bleed and Division. Add to that the shield passive and the shield buff that gives you ~50% higher blocking ratio. With a good shield this means that you will block a lot more than 50% of all attacks.

I also have my healing spells, both to heal HP (the highest one heals something like 6000HP I think) and remove status effects. I also have Vital Spot Muscle and Vital Spot Spirit, that decreases your parry ratio and attack rating, making you hit me for less damage, and making you easier for me to hit.

Cold 30 also gives me a 20% Snow Shield, and Lightning 90 increases my own Parry ratio by...a lot.

Add to this the knockdown + three stab attacks, and you're looking at an interesting fight.

I think that the Chinese Force blader is THE most overlooked class in the game.

lol your build is fail, you lost more than 20% dmg by not having fire

and worest of all, you leveled up force for a few useless skills that can be cured, blue pills can cure up to 2 status (maybe more but i havent tried) if you know the bug to it, just pvp any 80 farmed that jobs a lot, and they will know this bug

If you think the Chinese blader build is about doing the most damage, then YOU are fail, not my build...

[hanspicek]

The new bicheon skill is nice - lower your shield's defence by a certain percentage, and gain a certain number to your physical attack power. This means you take more damage, but you also deal more damage - and since you're already pretty much a brick wall, it's a great skill for bladers (not for s/s nukers :S ).

Can you tell me more about this?? I still havent played the new update yet..
How are bladers now? I mean are they a lot better?

Greetz

[KarmaPolice]

It depends on what kind of blader we're talking. A Force blader (like myself) has Impotent x 2 (one from Force debuff, one from from Lightning Chain) at an 80% success rate, Bleed and Division. Add to that the shield passive and the shield buff that gives you ~50% higher blocking ratio. With a good shield this means that you will block a lot more than 50% of all attacks.

I also have my healing spells, both to heal HP (the highest one heals something like 6000HP I think) and remove status effects. I also have Vital Spot Muscle and Vital Spot Spirit, that decreases your parry ratio and attack rating, making you hit me for less damage, and making you easier for me to hit.

Cold 30 also gives me a 20% Snow Shield, and Lightning 90 increases my own Parry ratio by...a lot.

Add to this the knockdown + three stab attacks, and you're looking at an interesting fight.

I think that the Chinese Force blader is THE most overlooked class in the game.

lol your build is fail, you lost more than 20% dmg by not having fire

and worest of all, you leveled up force for a few useless skills that can be cured, blue pills can cure up to 2 status (maybe more but i havent tried) if you know the bug to it, just pvp any 80 farmed that jobs a lot, and they will know this bug

If you think the Chinese blader build is about doing the most damage, then YOU are fail, not my build...

lol if a blader can't do the most damage he can, he won't kill anything

if you picked force so you could use your obsolete healing abilities and lay therapy circles to powerlevel noobs in ongs then you made an excellent choice in choosing force

[RogueKiller]

It depends on what kind of blader we're talking. A Force blader (like myself) has Impotent x 2 (one from Force debuff, one from from Lightning Chain) at an 80% success rate, Bleed and Division. Add to that the shield passive and the shield buff that gives you ~50% higher blocking ratio. With a good shield this means that you will block a lot more than 50% of all attacks.

I also have my healing spells, both to heal HP (the highest one heals something like 6000HP I think) and remove status effects. I also have Vital Spot Muscle and Vital Spot Spirit, that decreases your parry ratio and attack rating, making you hit me for less damage, and making you easier for me to hit.

Cold 30 also gives me a 20% Snow Shield, and Lightning 90 increases my own Parry ratio by...a lot.

Add to this the knockdown + three stab attacks, and you're looking at an interesting fight.

I think that the Chinese Force blader is THE most overlooked class in the game.

lol your build is fail, you lost more than 20% dmg by not having fire

and worest of all, you leveled up force for a few useless skills that can be cured, blue pills can cure up to 2 status (maybe more but i havent tried) if you know the bug to it, just pvp any 80 farmed that jobs a lot, and they will know this bug

What, did I read this right?
Light and Force over Fire?

[lemonsareyum]

This is actually a very hard decision. I'll take the best of the best in each scenario

FORCE/FIRE BLADER:
-They can burn
-They can KD
-They can Restore Health
-Their Chains are awesome (they do something good, was it Bleed? I forgot)
-They have a shield passive
-They have a shield buff that can increase their parry ratio
-They can cure bad status
-Vital Attacks can slow opponents down as well as decrease their attack and defense


2H WARRIOR/CLERIC
-They can KD
-They can prevent bad status
-They can heal themselves
-They have Iron Skin, decreasing melee damage
-They have Mana Skin, decreasing magical damage
-They have Cleric buffs, which boost their attack + defense
-They do higher damage altogether
-They can Stun


Personally, Bladers can tank better against monsters for a longer period of time but in a 1v1 battle the Warrior would eventually come out the winner.

[amvpua]

Blader. 2H are slow, so one block to their one attack, compared to your 8 attacks. 0 damage to 30k damage. I would say you be the judge, but thats the whole point of this thread, so ill do the work for you. BLADER WINS

[NobleHunter]

Blader. 2H are slow, so one block to their one attack, compared to your 8 attacks. 0 damage to 30k damage. I would say you be the judge, but thats the whole point of this thread, so ill do the work for you. BLADER WINS

LMAO try to hit 30K with a blader to a 2H. then try it with iron skin on. then try with bless spell.... Both scenarios the blader is pretty fcked. Dare Devil + Critical = 2H win. This shit is over.

[RogueKiller]

Blader. 2H are slow, so one block to their one attack, compared to your 8 attacks. 0 damage to 30k damage. I would say you be the judge, but thats the whole point of this thread, so ill do the work for you. BLADER WINS

LMAO try to hit 30K with a blader to a 2H. then try it with iron skin on. then try with bless spell.... Both scenarios the blader is pretty fcked. Dare Devil + Critical = 2H win. This shit is over.

How to avoid this?
Constant kd by the blader.
Blader is about being strategic not power.

[pinoyplaya]

If the blader had sun shield on the other hand, thats another issue.

[_Scarlett_]

Blader. 2H are slow, so one block to their one attack, compared to your 8 attacks. 0 damage to 30k damage. I would say you be the judge, but thats the whole point of this thread, so ill do the work for you. BLADER WINS

When the hell would a blader ever do 30k dmg to anyone their lvl '~,o...they'd be lucky to crit 9k on a warrior outside of zerk.

All the bladers I've fought with my warrior played their builds, how to say...a bit foolishly? A warrior in L.armor or even a great H.armor set can tank the dmg output from a blader. Especially if the warrior has cleric sub, it's just makes the warrior's tanking ability all the more better (especially if they're using L.armor; once bless and skins are over, just change to cleric rod/shield and buff yourself and heal for 30secs, using shield crush to kb here and there [keep in mind the cleric passives with L.armor, which adds phy and mag def, and even str and int and more def when blessed]).

The sun 2h would deffinately win if they know how to play.

[NobleHunter]

Blader. 2H are slow, so one block to their one attack, compared to your 8 attacks. 0 damage to 30k damage. I would say you be the judge, but thats the whole point of this thread, so ill do the work for you. BLADER WINS

LMAO try to hit 30K with a blader to a 2H. then try it with iron skin on. then try with bless spell.... Both scenarios the blader is pretty fcked. Dare Devil + Critical = 2H win. This shit is over.

How to avoid this?
Constant kd by the blader.
Blader is about being strategic not power.

LOL, so you think 2H cant KD too?

[MixTape]

with my lvl 51 blader with a 8 gap, i could tank chinese nukers 5 lvls higher then me, with ease.
good equips and knockdown WAS COOL

with my lvl 51 blader with a 8 gap, i could tank chinese nukers 5 lvls higher then me, with ease.
good equips and knockdown WAS COOL

MAN NUKERS ARE NOT THAT WEAK IM SURE THEY CAN BEAT U
i know that they are not weak joymax will not make something all - and BTW i see some nukers pwn
euros but blader can pwn a 2h sword or wizard
wizard can beat u (LVL51) and he is lower than u (LVL42) can beat y easy
[b]only chinese nukers are the good in chinese and 2hsword or wizard can beat any STR chinese
but when nuker it means luck and good gear weapon.....etc
because STR chinese are rele vry weak and a wizard can pwn any STR chinese
but i saw nukers pwn some euro warriors
that doesnt mean nukers are weak[/b]

Please shut up , only chinese nukers are ''the good in chinese''? what the f*ck?