Rogue question for 60+ rogues

Braka · Post by **Braka** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:52 am

hey my question is if i plvl and pfarm my rogue to high level can i skip getting and maxing the skills for dagger "spinning" and "screw" since at the moment these skills dont need to be maxed to open a new book , avoiding opening these books would save me farming 25k sp, so my question is can i play at high level without these skills or are they needed.

ty for who ever replys

Kayson · Post by **Kayson** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:56 pm

I'm not lvl 60+, but 25k sp wouldn't take too long to get if you're in a really good party for a couple of hours. imo...

nphillip · Post by **nphillip** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:06 pm

more skills = more fun.
euros dont need much farming so why not just get it?

Braka · Post by **Braka** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:54 pm

farming is not the problem its just if im going to pass these levels then why get skills that might be weaker then others that i am getting at highier lvls and therefore i possibley wont use these , if they are weaker i dont know yet thats why i was hopeing to get some feedback from high lvl rogues.

also by looking at rogue pvp vids i notice these skills are not even on the bars.

You_Dead_Yet · Post by **You_Dead_Yet** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:23 pm

both those skills arent even maxed at level 80, i would say Spinning isnt really useful since it gives no effect and its a 2 shots skill, but Screw is a single shot skill which means if you can make a Crit on it then it deal really big damage (like Prick), and also it got Stun effect which can come really handy in PVP

Anyway even if you get all the skills in Daggers, you wont really be able to use them all, you should be good with Mortal Wounds + Prick + Combo/Butterfly Blow + Screw

Etrad · Post by **Etrad** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:54 pm

lvl 40 rogue (farming with GT). I'd say skip both, cause even screw's stun doesn't work very often anyways. Combo Blow + Prick + Mortal Wounds + Butterfly Combo is more than enough to use in succession. Most of the time you only use daggers in PvP anyways, so those 4 skills chained together can kill just about anybody your lvl.

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:15 pm

....get screw, don't listen to these guys. At least screw is a necessary skill, you will notice rouges all use screw as their first or second skill coming out of stealth since it's 1 hit finisher if you crit, and even if you don't.

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:45 pm

torinchibi wrote:....get screw, don't listen to these guys. At least screw is a necessary skill, you will notice rouges all use screw as their first or second skill coming out of stealth since it's 1 hit finisher if you crit, and even if you don't.

i thought that was prick lol

Braka · Post by **Braka** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:50 pm

MrFudge wrote:
torinchibi wrote:....get screw, don't listen to these guys. At least screw is a necessary skill, you will notice rouges all use screw as their first or second skill coming out of stealth since it's 1 hit finisher if you crit, and even if you don't.

i thought that was prick lol

yes i thought prick would of been enough for the 1st skill , i have not been a high lvl rogue yet so what is the differnce in damage between prick and screw ;s

Etrad · Post by **Etrad** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:43 pm

torinchibi wrote:....get screw, don't listen to these guys. At least screw is a necessary skill, you will notice rouges all use screw as their first or second skill coming out of stealth since it's 1 hit finisher if you crit, and even if you don't.

Screw dmg: 17x%
Prick dmg: 375%

I believe you mean prick. Screw is pretty much useless unless you plan on grinding with daggers from lvl 1-39. And if you can find any good reasons to grind at those levels with daggers besides "being different", feel free to list them. >_>

Braka · Post by **Braka** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:39 pm

so.... skip these 2 skills

someone makeup my mind for me pls :roll:

Double_D · Post by **Double_D** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:53 pm

well, i am also not 60 but as some1 said screw is 1 hit so if it crit it'll be great

about spining.. its not that good damage but its very usefull as i use it instead of my Normal attack when all skills are cooling down, its has 2 sec cool down

IowU · Post by **IowU** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:13 pm

trust me u need screw...
u wont get buterfly combo in shor peroid of time...
sometimes when u fight aigainst blader and he manage to survive prick+mortal wounds+combo blow u for sure will need to finish him with screw...
skip spinning

corkscrew · Post by **corkscrew** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:33 pm

i love ur sig iowu

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:23 pm

get it yeah they aren't as powerful as other moves but when you factor in cooldowns its best to have as many skillz as possible at your disposal especially if you plan on fighting mobs with alot of health and multiple ppl....also you don't get butterfly blow or combo blow till 60 so you'll need more than 3 skills until then.....

NightceptoR · Post by **NightceptoR** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:57 pm

get screw but not spin [spin is garbage]

Braka · Post by **Braka** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:16 am

rgr thnx all for replys

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:22 am

torinchibi wrote:....get screw, don't listen to these guys. At least screw is a necessary skill, you will notice rouges all use screw as their first or second skill coming out of stealth since it's 1 hit finisher if you crit, and even if you don't.

My bad, I must have thought that screw was prick and vice versa. Can you really blame me for that mistake, when prick sounds so weak compared to screw?

Etrad · Post by **Etrad** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:39 am

XemnasXD wrote:get it yeah they aren't as powerful as other moves but when you factor in cooldowns its best to have as many skillz as possible at your disposal especially if you plan on fighting mobs with alot of health and multiple ppl....also you don't get butterfly blow or combo blow till 60 so you'll need more than 3 skills until then.....

By lvl 40, you get: Prick, Wounds, Combo Blow to work with.

Without screw at lvl 80, you have

1. Wounds
2. Prick
3. Combo Blow
4. Mortal Wounds
5. Butterfly Blow

to combo with. The question here is if you REALLY need to get screw... Wounds = 87% x2 = 174%. Screw = 173%. The only reason people should even bother with screw is that it has 30% chance of stunning. Otherwise I'll just stick with the 5 skills above...

Even in Juey's hunter video, he only used 2-3 skills at most for a kill, and he usually dies if he doesn't succeed by then. So it really depends on...whether or not you want to spend the sp.

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