Rogue is it worth it ?

Iydrius · Post by **Iydrius** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:01 pm

Ok i am a rogue and i saw KSRO people being clerics for one of these skills that are good but is it worth it ? . I was thinking of going full rogue and use both dagger and crossbow but is that worth it ? idk if it is or should i just go dagger and warrior to get the heavy armor ? please help me out haveing trouble and don't wonna get my person any higher lvls with out being sure with my build right now i am doing crossbow and dagger and cleric for sub this skill idk if my person is messed up ...

SunDance · Post by **SunDance** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:27 pm

what do you mean by "is it worth it"? you the 2nd or 3rd highest dmg in the game! you can also choose if you want to be str char or "int" char with the same char so its never boring..so yea rogue ftw..

monkey289 · Post by **monkey289** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:31 pm

What's not worth it :shock: :P

Iydrius · Post by **Iydrius** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:33 pm

i am saying is it worth going cleric for that little buff or should i just go warrior with heavy armor and crossbow

SunDance · Post by **SunDance** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:18 am

you should go bard for the option of light armor and for speed buffs range passives and the skill which prevents premitive attcks

5581 · Post by **5581** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:55 am

SunDance wrote:you should go bard for the option of light armor and for speed buffs range passives and the skill which prevents primitive attcks

can i know which skill that buff light armor for bard class? cos bard cant wear light armor, light armor is only for warrior, rogue and cleric, so which skill that bard skill will give advantage to light armor? :?:

if you are using dagger for PVE prevents primitive skill is useful, but i dont know if weapon change will affect the buff or not. speed buff guarantee stay.

5581 · Post by **5581** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:10 am

Iydrius wrote:i am saying is it worth going cleric for that little buff or should i just go warrior with heavy armor and crossbow

I have the same problem as you, now i am lv40, i using both dagger and crossbow skill, but not all full, choose what is important, and i also sub with a cleric class, you need more sp farming to do that. i suggest you to go cleric is because you need continues heal on your hp since Xbow have low hp gauge. i havent add cleric until lv40 but maybe tonight i will.

for training purpose, only use crossbow for training, because it is alot faster. pvp use dagger. why? because when i am lv39 using a lv38+2 cri18 dagger go and kill stone golem(lv39) and it hit me about 800(dagger skill activate) normal 500, if 2 golem or continuous golem(HP cool down problem) sure die, because dagger need to be near range, so i die, and i go and use back me 35+2 cri11 bow, golem will die very far away before they saw you, and dagger stun 1/2sec delay for monster only (because you need to do other hit) but if you use xbow knock back can safe more then 4 sec ( they need to rerun to come near you)

all my armor is lv36 average.

D3athscythe · Post by **D3athscythe** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:15 am

but how u heal? do u no nid rod to heal. kind of troublesome to change weapon everynow and then

DeShin · Post by **DeShin** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:52 am

Iydrius wrote:i am saying is it worth going cleric for that little buff or should i just go warrior with heavy armor and crossbow

For your question, it depends .. you have to know which sub skills to take and the most important taking the correct skills, some may have massive cooldown time and such.

But IMO for rogue, I will definitely go for bard for moving march, simply because stealth + dagger crits/crossbow extreme + moving march = owned

Iydrius · Post by **Iydrius** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:02 am

But if you think about cleric you have a really good recovory and really good res thats mosty all i am going to get but i also wanted to know if bless spell still works if you switch from rod to lets say daggers or crossbow is it still on or does it go away ? oh and

Here are the main skills i want in cleric tell me if it is good .

Res for the makeing sure that party members are alive at all times
or if the cleric dies .

Bless spell for the good 45 second buff to help me in pvp or pve

Holy word to reduce damage of effects like fire or posion pvp also for pve the annoying mobs with fire and so on .

And last spell is Recovery Divsion for a good 300 second healing every second to stay alive at all times because of low life

and because i don't want moveing march because my bros a cleric/bard and hes always at my side plus i have a passive to put like 40 % speed and so on and a sprint move .. say what you think about it

DeShin · Post by **DeShin** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:14 am

It should be:
Required Item and Used Item - once switching weapon, buff won't work anymore.
Used Item only - still working even though you switch weapon.

Yeap, you have a good point there for been a cleric sub. But I do heard people said the Bless Spell although it last for 45 secs but the cooldown time is like 3mins (correct me if I'm wrong). Confirm it with your friends or guildmate.

Res skill, should be fine.

Holy Word should be fine.

Recovery should be fine too.

Overall, some skills needed for switching quite often especially the Spell, the short 45 secs, after that cooldown then switching then activate it. Then redo it.

Having your friend/bro playing aside, that's nice.

GeoHolyhart · Post by **GeoHolyhart** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:40 am

Bards don't have light armor passive skills, thats cleric. The thing with that though, is that you have to be wearing a cleric rod. So its basically pointless. Moving march is great, but you guys are forgetting, that you can buy pots that do the same. They're expensive granted, but at later levels, they'll become more buyable.

Also yes, Bless Spell has a 3min cool down and last only lasts 45secs. But its a MASSIVE boost in Physical and Magical Defense. Not to mention it works on your whole party, so once you cast yours a friend could cast his when it ends (vice-versa).

IMO bard is overrated as a sub. All there is moving march and swing march, but even the preemptive barrier seems pointless to full strengths. Why? Because as soon as you attack a mob, the barrier no longer works on any mobs within the aggro area.

Moving march isn't that great for rogues either. Is everyone forgetting that you get a dash as a rogue. Granted it doesn't last long, but long enough to chase someone down or get away. Moving march and this buff can't be stacked. Rogues also get a passive that increases there speed naturally. Get a friend or some random guy to march you, as it lasts long anyway. If not buy/make the potion.

If you ask me, go warrior for the armor with a dagger build (you'll need it for close range battle and your power up skill that reduces your HP by 75%) or cleric for the buffs, res and recovery (works well with bow or daggers).

5581 · Post by **5581** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:52 am

GeoHolyhart wrote:Bards don't have light armor passive skills, thats cleric. The thing with that though, is that you have to be wearing a cleric rod. So its basically pointless. Moving march is great, but you guys are forgetting, that you can buy pots that do the same. They're expensive granted, but at later levels, they'll become more buyable.

Also yes, Bless Spell has a 3min cool down and last only lasts 45secs. But its a MASSIVE boost in Physical and Magical Defense. Not to mention it works on your whole party, so once you cast yours a friend could cast his when it ends (vice-versa).

IMO bard is overrated as a sub. All there is moving march and swing march, but even the preemptive barrier seems pointless to full strengths. Why? Because as soon as you attack a mob, the barrier no longer works on any mobs within the aggro area.

Moving march isn't that great for rogues either. Is everyone forgetting that you get a dash as a rogue. Granted it doesn't last long, but long enough to chase someone down or get away. Moving march and this buff can't be stacked. Rogues also get a passive that increases there speed naturally. Get a friend or some random guy to march you, as it lasts long anyway. If not buy/make the potion.

If you ask me, go warrior for the armor with a dagger build (you'll need it for close range battle and your power up skill that reduces your HP by 75%) or cleric for the buffs, res and recovery (works well with bow or daggers).

totally agree. maybe those who choose bard they dont have money to buy or make the potion. the potion can last 1800sec. is long for me i think. why they want to to waste so much sp to a skill that can be replaceable by pots. if you say healing can repalceable by vigor, but vigor doesn't sell at shop...

[TS]=Hark=[TS] · Post by **[TS]=Hark=[TS]** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:03 am

almost every cleric buff cancels if you unequip the cleric rod... ie: str buff, int buff, body buff. holy word does stay on and idk about that other one but if you ask me its not worth it. go rogue/warrior for the heavey armor.

Bazinator · Post by **Bazinator** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:57 pm

man royges r awesome belive me u dont need heavy armour so stuff warrior and get cbow and dagger and go with what better skillz u hav at that moment and the better wep u hav

Biscuit · Post by **Biscuit** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:09 pm

SunDance wrote:[...]

range passives

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Since it's the second time I read something like this: Is there actually any proof of the bard passives, that specifically mention in their description which bard skills they work with, having any effect on the range of a rogues crossbow?

[TS]=Hark=[TS] · Post by **[TS]=Hark=[TS]** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:12 pm

alright jsut for you ill get on my bard and take a pic of my passives right now. good? wait like 10minutes ok

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Biscuit · Post by **Biscuit** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:37 pm

Maybe you are talking about different passives. If so, please let me know.

[TS]=Hark=[TS] · Post by **[TS]=Hark=[TS]** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:57 pm

lol you beat me too it

5581 · Post by **5581** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:34 am

Biscuit wrote:

Maybe you are talking about different passives. If so, please let me know.

so how to get dancing concert line skill? if both up will get 10m plus? if so you can hunt anyone with super far far range?/???? :shock:

and does it stack with wide sight? the skill that add xbow range 1.0 per lv.if yes i think bard rogue is the best to hunt anyone. cos the range is damn far far away.

Guardia · Post by **Guardia** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:52 am

Iydrius wrote:But if you think about cleric you have a really good recovory and really good res thats mosty all i am going to get but i also wanted to know if bless spell still works if you switch from rod to lets say daggers or crossbow is it still on or does it go away ?

Yes it stays even when u switched weapon.

DeShin wrote:Yeap, you have a good point there for been a cleric sub. But I do heard people said the Bless Spell although it last for 45 secs but the cooldown time is like 3mins (correct me if I'm wrong). Confirm it with your friends or guildmate.

Yes, the cooldown time is 3 minutes.

Hope that helps a bit.

Biscuit · Post by **Biscuit** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:17 am

5581 wrote:[...]

so how to get dancing concert line skill? if both up will get 10m plus? if so you can hunt anyone with super far far range?/???? and does it stack with wide sight? the skill that add xbow range 1.0 per lv.if yes i think bard rogue is the best to hunt anyone. cos the range is damn far far away.

You obviously did understand neither my previous posts nor the skill descriptions. Don't know if this is to be attributed to mine and the Joymax employees english skills.

Again, those two skill lines only have the speed increase skills and the bard songs on them. The passive range increase gets applied to the corresponding skill line, resulting in a larger radius of the bard songs. The songs itself don't do any damage so I don't know how you will hunt someone with them. Other players might get an epileptic seizure after staring into the cascading lights for too long, but that's about it.

No sniping from 50 metres away for you, Sir.

5581 · Post by **5581** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:08 am

Biscuit wrote:[...]
No sniping from 50 metres away for you, Sir.

alright, this one i know. thkx.

Shinobi · Post by **Shinobi** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:09 am

whats not worth it, experiment to see if you like it