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DeathBeforeDishonor · Post by **DeathBeforeDishonor** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:16 am

bow will be stronger but i dont think stronger enoguh to kill glaivers i think they will still dominate pvp althoguh bladers kd stab stab stab stab is a nice skill

BaronSengir · Post by **BaronSengir** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:49 am

bladers last stab is lv90 like the nukes and did i mention it has critical increase on it too kd stab stab stab stab kd stab stab stab stab etc if you ask me bladers will be bad ass

also the 6 hit combo has some weird description on the info box

btw to get 6 hit combo you need lv9 ascention chain only

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:03 am

FoRev3RFoRgott3n wrote:bow will be stronger but i dont think stronger enoguh to kill glaivers i think they will still dominate pvp althoguh bladers kd stab stab stab stab is a nice skill

lawl, u havent seen any lvl 90's pvping yet havent ya

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:04 am

BaronSengir wrote:bladers last stab is lv90 like the nukes and did i mention it has critical increase on it too kd stab stab stab stab kd stab stab stab stab etc if you ask me bladers will be bad ass

also the 6 hit combo has some weird description on the info box

btw to get 6 hit combo you need lv9 ascention chain only

isnt it 8 hits? :O

BaronSengir · Post by **BaronSengir** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:12 am

bows can kill glaiver of course when the glaiver is 5-10 lvs lower like in the kung fu fighting video

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:53 am

lol Baron sangir, u obviasly dont know shit about it, you know why...
First, cause the max the glavier could be was 9 lvls below the archer
and he had his skills maxed/new skills so..

vanom · Post by **vanom** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:03 pm

the last kd skill of bicheon has critical increase of 5. uhhh, so dangerous -.-

sheeplol5 · Post by **sheeplol5** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:04 pm

bows still could win, just freeze or frostbite a glavie and you could go eat a happy meal and the glavie will only just hit :p bows are alot faster that glavies.

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:18 pm

Triv1um wrote:bows still could win, just freeze or frostbite a glavie and you could go eat a happy meal and the glavie will only just hit :p bows are alot faster that glavies.

about bows beeing faster than glaivers, thats true. But you know in ISRO, most high lvls are IMMUNE to Ice, so the strat u said wouldnt work

vanom · Post by **vanom** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:28 pm

Triv1um wrote:bows still could win, just freeze or frostbite a glavie and you could go eat a happy meal and the glavie will only just hit :p bows are alot faster that glavies.

omg, at ur lvl that works :twisted:

Da_Realest · Post by **Da_Realest** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:05 pm

vanom wrote:
Da_Realest wrote:What proof do you have that parry effects criticals? From what you said, that means everyone will critical more often on a mangyang since it has the lowest parry, when in reality, you will critical just as often as any mob. And as you level, your parry numbers go up on your gear yet critical stays on the same scale. The other that continues to rises is attack rating.

I've tested this and the higher your parry, the least amount of damage you take. A long time ago, shades hit me for about 200 damage. Once I use the parry buff, its about 20 or 70 damage. It also resulted in lower average damage from player attacks depending on the relation of their attack rating to your total parry. [/color]

omg this is something that one should know. same thing as attack rating has also effect on criticals. and stop talking about the Farking manyangs, im talking about pvp.

Didn't you read that I said player attacks also? Anyway, I've tried and tested it.
You test on a Manyang and low level characters first because they have the lowest parry. And according to YOU, the lower something's parry the more your critical. I've tested this and it proved to be false. I critical only players 30+ levels higher than me just the same as players 30 levels below me.

Until you provide some form of evidence since you seem to know all about this, I'll say you're wrong. If you want me to show my results, I have no problem doing so.

And also, I have a level 90 friend on kSRo who has a bow character. She criticals with the last book of anti devil 9/10 times with a critical 9 bow while pvping.

vanom · Post by **vanom** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:36 pm

my experience is also empirical. my lvl 80 glaive got 359 parry ratio with buff. im equiped with lvl 72 crit 9 +5 glaive. i've done several tests about crit, stun/kb with and without buff and also with other same lvl friends wearing npc gear and self pimped gear. i only watched the effect of crit and stun/kb, not the normal damage. the result is, that i crit more often, when my friends wear npc gear with low parry. conclusion: high parry ratio reduces the chance of being crit. perhaps you should do your experiment with same lvl players. i also don't have problem to be proven wrong, we're just discussion about personal experiences.

the thing about the crit probability of archer: i pvped a lvl 80 full str archer with good gears and lvl 72 +7 crit 10 (!) and attack rating 50% bow. that did seldom managed to crit me. no matter wheter he used anti devil, strong bow or devil arrow. i killed him with no problems. even if he managed to crit me wtih 3rd book anti devil bow, the damage was very modest. but when he crit me with strong bow or devil arrow, that hurt indeed. but when my ghost spear mars crit, it also hurts pretty good. im pretty sure parry ratio reduces chance of being crit, cuz as i said i did that experiment and i have myself a pretty high parry ratio.

if you do a regression, u need some assumtions and tools to prevent autocorrelation and heteroskedasticity. the advantage of my empirical calculation is that i know my gears and weapon and that of my partner. so the regression i've done should be pretty reliable.

except those hard information, i've got also a ksro account and i often watch pvp. believe, it's dream u crit 9/10 times with anti devil bow or any other skill, except ur opponet got npc gear and the lowest parry ratio possible.

another hypothesis i got is that the crit increase gained by skill does not equal crit value on weapons. cuz you would do more crit with a crit 40 glaive or bow, w/e, but u seldom crit with that skill.

criticalss · Post by **criticalss** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:26 am

nothing really big changes... in the beginning of course everyone will go insane and run with their untested builds. all the nukers will turn ice and be weak as glaives. stun and knockback for archers is only to make up for their weakening every level. if u see a video on new skills, the lv 90 archer did 4.1k dmg on a lv 90 glaive. the glaive was unbuffed. 4k dmg on his 30ish k hp.... the archer will never kill him. maybe 40% crit will help but even 7k will be instantly potted. i wouldnt be suprised if the strongbow does 7k

DarkJackal · Post by **DarkJackal** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:50 am

Yea, you can totally tell archers will be weak from a video showing one getting 4k.

I mean it's not like the glaiver could of had nicer gear, or the archer have lower skills, or not be 90 or 20% scrolls, or any other possibility, because it couldn't be any of that, archers are just weak and get weaker all the time, that explains it :wink:

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mike2007 · Post by **mike2007** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:11 am

vanom wrote:the thing about the crit probability of archer: i pvped a lvl 80 full str archer with good gears and lvl 72 +7 crit 10 (!) and attack rating 50% bow. that did seldom managed to crit me. no matter wheter he used anti devil, strong bow or devil arrow. i killed him with no problems. even if he managed to crit me wtih 3rd book anti devil bow, the damage was very modest. but when he crit me with strong bow or devil arrow, that hurt indeed. but when my ghost spear mars crit, it also hurts pretty good. im pretty sure parry ratio reduces chance of being crit, cuz as i said i did that experiment and i have myself a pretty high parry ratio.

JM has screwd somthin up in the bowmans skills. we hardly ever crit right now for some reason even with our anti devil books. and dont tell me im full of shit cus im not the only bowman to have noticed this. i have a crit 9 bow and anti devil 3rd book for a total crit of 44. i should b critting a lil less than half the time with it when i usually crit about 1 out of 5 right now.

mike2007 · Post by **mike2007** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:12 am

edit: double post

vanom · Post by **vanom** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:24 am

mike2005 wrote:JM has screwd somthin up in the bowmans skills. we hardly ever crit right now for some reason even with our anti devil books. and dont tell me im full of shit cus im not the only bowman to have noticed this.

maybe you should read my posts more carefully, cuz i never said, archer crit much, but was of the same opnion like u (look at my last hypothesis).

Xs · Post by Xs » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:13 pm

Dart wrote:yes yes lol

i love blader..the problem is his low dmg =(

anyway bow with these new skills will be very strong..now it isn't very strong

i'm talking about pvp

Haha i will make sure no one gets up after that 4th stab on my int s/s

mike2007 · Post by **mike2007** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:29 pm

vanom wrote:
mike2005 wrote:JM has screwd somthin up in the bowmans skills. we hardly ever crit right now for some reason even with our anti devil books. and dont tell me im full of shit cus im not the only bowman to have noticed this.

maybe you should read my posts more carefully, cuz i never said, archer crit much, but was of the same opnion like u (look at my last hypothesis).

i was agreeing with you right now. u should take ur own advice. u need to stop reading the first line of a post and assume u know what the whole post is about.