Pure Int Bow...What does everyone have against it?

[krydel]

What is so bad about it?

[Slayer007]

there is just no point in it, 1) there horrible 2:bow is already ranged so why use nukes with it when u can still be ranged useing spear/sword gettign better mag atk and str bow WAY better and some hybrid bows r good but imo int bow worst build in sro

[bakafish]

What is so bad about it?

Everything?

[darkarmour99]

YOU WILL DIE SO FAST MAN ITS NOT FUNNY

[GuruSikh]

1. Die too quickly
2. Nukes do more damage
3. Criticals will be way lower than full str or hybrid.
4. Pure int w/spear does more damage plus you get the passive.

The only good thing I see about pure int bow is at lvl 90 with the new ice buff which is like a mana shield, so when you receive damage, it will come out of your mp instead of your hp for a period of time. I have seen some pure int bow in ksro screens in fortress wars so who knows...

[psy]

lol theres an int bow somewhere in youtube that killed a glaive - no i dont know if it was a fair fight. but basically he was saying black hawk was good cuz he woulda died if it didnt do the last hit

anyway my prob with int bow is just nuke deal more dmg,
and id rather have 2 force (with nukes) rather than 1 force + pacheon
if i have a nuker's hp~

but the guy posting before me has a point ice + pacheon might work quite well since apparently alot of people dropping fireshield~ but even then I would still rather be an ice/light nuker... which i am

[[SD]happynoobing]

i have nothing against int bow but it simply sucks. and all the reasons have been stated above.

but if you insist then i see nothing wrong with you making an int bow character. the more people with sucky builds the more i can kill in pvp

[HyorunmarouZ]

Pure INT bows own at PvE, but they are quite bad at PvP because have no defense and their nukes are weaker than the ones of a spear, but withour the hp passive. And pacheon skills won't do the trick because they are physical attacks and are better handled by a str/hybrid player. So why waste dmg of nukes if you could use spear or s/s for defense?

Though, as it was said above, with the new skills, they might become decent at PvP

[HertogJan]

However IF fireshield really is bugged and they fix it. Not everybody will be immuen to ice. So then I would like to see an int bower with ice imbue do: arrow combo, nuke, nuke, phantom walk, arrow combo, etc etc.

But that are just my 2 cents

[shadowman20875]

What is so bad about it?

Everything?

+1 post count there

think of it this way

pure int spear= spears have highest mag attck/ reinf so ull do most dmg
pure int s/s= u get a shield for blocks and defence
pure int bow= um....... yeah

[flexo]

lol pure int bow again....

bow strenghts
1) skills for doing more crit
2) ranged
3) high hp

by doing pure int bow
1) crit are low
2) nukes do more dmg at ranged so arrows are useless
3) low hp


so basicly you take a great build.. then f.uck it all up...by taking al it's strenghts away. You can't do much worse.. they s.uck at pvp.. prob can't even kill a c.rappy build hybrid.. and they prob s.uck at PvE too cause they have low hp and low def.. and no reall high dmg to make up for it..

[yamataka]

Int bow is not an easy character to play is why no one likes it.

Actually I don't understand why people do STR builds with bows ... seems a waste of a tanker to me. Str builds tends to mean that you are going to give low damage. Add to this that the idea behind a bow a to kill something before it hits you and you have a tanker that in theory should never be used that on the average deals low damage. Of course there are always the crits and bows get more of those but in the end it seems to me that are basing a build with the hope that you consistently have good luck. But yes I know there are people that love Str bows ... and I hopefully will get back to work on mine so that I can learn better what people love about that build (my str bow is only 31 ... and is BORING).

INT bow ... well its all about the damage and range and being able to hit like a nuker without the splash damage and having to run for your life like a nuker with with 10 NPC thieves on you from the splash damage. Nukes have range ... pffft! .. 2 squares away like nukes do is NOT range ... hitting from far enough away that no one can see you like bows do ... now THATS range. Yes it is true that this is not a build for PvP in a dueling situation ... go toe to toe with just about any other build and unless they have bad gear ... you are probably dead. Work with a blader (like I do) or possibly a glavier in a war situation and you can drop just about anyone. But that takes practice so that you can get the timing in on hitting them with a strong bow or anti devil just as the blader hits a KD and then a downstab. Potions don't recover fast enough to survive that.

I like my Int bow because it is a challenge and fun ... and takes teamwork. I can always switch to a s/s or spear nuker and be boring like everyone else if things get bad.

By the way ... chances are that a bow should be paired with some sort of hybrid build. So I always read the stuff on hybrids (like the 70-70 one) with great interest.

[glavie]

good answer yamataka. Though I do think the cons out way the pros.

This should help.

http://forum.mmosite.com/topics/118/200 ... 1179239914

[flexo]

Int bow is not an easy character to play is why no one likes it.

Actually I don't understand why people do STR builds with bows ... seems a waste of a tanker to me. Str builds tends to mean that you are going to give low damage. Add to this that the idea behind a bow a to kill something before it hits you and you have a tanker that in theory should never be used that on the average deals low damage. Of course there are always the crits and bows get more of those but in the end it seems to me that are basing a build with the hope that you consistently have good luck. But yes I know there are people that love Str bows ... and I hopefully will get back to work on mine so that I can learn better what people love about that build (my str bow is only 31 ... and is BORING).

INT bow ... well its all about the damage and range and being able to hit like a nuker without the splash damage and having to run for your life like a nuker with with 10 NPC thieves on you from the splash damage. Nukes have range ... pffft! .. 2 squares away like nukes do is NOT range ... hitting from far enough away that no one can see you like bows do ... now THATS range. Yes it is true that this is not a build for PvP in a dueling situation ... go toe to toe with just about any other build and unless they have bad gear ... you are probably dead. Work with a blader (like I do) or possibly a glavier in a war situation and you can drop just about anyone. But that takes practice so that you can get the timing in on hitting them with a strong bow or anti devil just as the blader hits a KD and then a downstab. Potions don't recover fast enough to survive that.

I like my Int bow because it is a challenge and fun ... and takes teamwork. I can always switch to a s/s or spear nuker and be boring like everyone else if things get bad.

By the way ... chances are that a bow should be paired with some sort of hybrid build. So I always read the stuff on hybrids (like the 70-70 one) with great interest.

ok I read this and the guide posted below you.. I agree bowman have more range... but that far away that they can't see you??? lol well set your grapphic settings higher... i've been killed by lvl 80 bows. and I can still see them....
And yes crit is based on chance it's just that the chance on crit with a bow is much higher. They hit a lot of crit..and therefor don't do low dmg (certainly not for a pure str).
And about killing anybody before they reach you.. sounds like a nice theoretical goal.. (it's the same with nukers..and they do more dmg) but you must also know.. that really never happens with ppl the same lvl as you.. unless like you said.. you pile on him. But really that is with any build.. you can take 3 1:1 hybrids and still be succesfull in that strategy.

And shooting ppl with a strong arrow right before they get KD.. like that ain't based on luck. Unless you somehow know when they are getting KD, which I serously doubt.

So yes it's a challenge to play this kind of build, and yes they s.ucks at pvp and are better at PvE but then again.. any c.rappy build is.
I mean ever heard somebody say that they suck at PvE?? they got no potz.. so really no pride in that. All you can be is a quick killer, but you have no splash dmg and therefor have to grind 1mob at a time. So really I don't see your strenght. Ow wait.. you got range...well whoopdiedoo, 1 phantom and a few steps and that range is gone.
But I gotta give you props for continueing this build till lvl 60+ already
just wished you were on my server, then we could have some fun ROFL

[TwelveEleven]

ok I read this and the guide posted below you.. I agree bowman have more range... but that far away that they can't see you??? lol well set your grapphic settings higher... i've been killed by lvl 80 bows. and I can still see them....
And yes crit is based on chance it's just that the chance on crit with a bow is much higher. They hit a lot of crit..and therefor don't do low dmg (certainly not for a pure str).
And about killing anybody before they reach you.. sounds like a nice theoretical goal.. (it's the same with nukers..and they do more dmg) but you must also know.. that really never happens with ppl the same lvl as you.. unless like you said.. you pile on him. But really that is with any build.. you can take 3 1:1 hybrids and still be succesfull in that strategy.

And shooting ppl with a strong arrow right before they get KD.. like that ain't based on luck. Unless you somehow know when they are getting KD, which I serously doubt.

So yes it's a challenge to play this kind of build, and yes they s.ucks at pvp and are better at PvE but then again.. any c.rappy build is.
I mean ever heard somebody say that they suck at PvE?? they got no potz.. so really no pride in that. All you can be is a quick killer, but you have no splash dmg and therefor have to grind 1mob at a time. So really I don't see your strenght. Ow wait.. you got range...well whoopdiedoo, 1 phantom and a few steps and that range is gone.
But I gotta give you props for continueing this build till lvl 60+ already
just wished you were on my server, then we could have some fun ROFL

1 strong bow still kills a nuker in 1 shot at my lvl 5x.. (Pure str)

[flexo]

ok I read this and the guide posted below you.. I agree bowman have more range... but that far away that they can't see you??? lol well set your grapphic settings higher... i've been killed by lvl 80 bows. and I can still see them....
And yes crit is based on chance it's just that the chance on crit with a bow is much higher. They hit a lot of crit..and therefor don't do low dmg (certainly not for a pure str).
And about killing anybody before they reach you.. sounds like a nice theoretical goal.. (it's the same with nukers..and they do more dmg) but you must also know.. that really never happens with ppl the same lvl as you.. unless like you said.. you pile on him. But really that is with any build.. you can take 3 1:1 hybrids and still be succesfull in that strategy.

And shooting ppl with a strong arrow right before they get KD.. like that ain't based on luck. Unless you somehow know when they are getting KD, which I serously doubt.

So yes it's a challenge to play this kind of build, and yes they s.ucks at pvp and are better at PvE but then again.. any c.rappy build is.
I mean ever heard somebody say that they suck at PvE?? they got no potz.. so really no pride in that. All you can be is a quick killer, but you have no splash dmg and therefor have to grind 1mob at a time. So really I don't see your strenght. Ow wait.. you got range...well whoopdiedoo, 1 phantom and a few steps and that range is gone.
But I gotta give you props for continueing this build till lvl 60+ already
just wished you were on my server, then we could have some fun ROFL

1 strong bow still kills a nuker in 1 shot at my lvl 5x.. (Pure str)

well i'm not gonna go way into this right now.. but lets just say that with the right alchemy he wouldn't get one shotted. And I'm just talking about blue here.. no sosun and stuff.

[HertogJan]

Nicely farmed nukers with decent gear are a danger, but one strong bow and anti devil is enough to take them down. Even with enough blues on it.

I am not talking about cap obviously, and mostly arrow combo is enough to do the trick after strongbow.

[umutdem]

then come and get me im at greece waiting for any str bows at my lvl 59.i am s/s nuker.4909 hp %118 mgc balance 498 phy def etc.i am at greece.

[alZen]

if fire shield gets fixed with no more 100% immunity, pure int cold/light/bow may not be too bad. and with 71-90 skills added with bow getting KB and stun, it really cant be that bad a build anymore.

[HertogJan]

then come and get me im at greece waiting for any str bows at my lvl 59.i am s/s nuker.4909 hp %118 mgc balance 498 phy def etc.i am at greece.

I am level 69 on Xian and yet have to find a nuker who I cant kill in 1 or 2 attacks. However I have pretty decent gear these days.

[borat2]

then come and get me im at greece waiting for any str bows at my lvl 59.i am s/s nuker.4909 hp %118 mgc balance 498 phy def etc.i am at greece.

I am level 69 on Xian and yet have to find a nuker who I cant kill in 1 or 2 attacks. However I have pretty decent gear these days.

gear might be your answer indeed

but ontopic

bow is a weapon skill without any repot free attacks (no stun, no knockback, no knockdown or block) if you don`t have icewall and firewall you have to take all damage, using a bow instead of spear to attack also lowers your damage output you still can attack from range but you will have to take his one time and that probably will be enough to kill you immediately.
i am waiting for that 70:70 ice bow to hit level 80 his build is quite interesting since most people said it was meant to fail (lets hope they are not right after all)

creating a char is hard especially because of your mastery limit, you need to try to compesate your weak spots and building an int bow does not compesate any of the weak spots for pvp.

[sunmoon]

What is so bad about it?

let's c...

low hp...
low def...
lower power than a spear
sux more than a sword
attack rating means shit if u can't even survive 1-2 hits from some1

but i have nothing against them, bring it on int archers

[GaS]

Get ice nukes and Ice imbue... Your character will be useless...
Low health and low damage = useless.

[alZen]

Get ice nukes and Ice imbue... Your character will be useless...
Low health and low damage = useless.

how is this related to the question asked?

[MrFudge]

pure str bow is the best because the hp allows you to survive longer.

you dont think with crit 30 increase and a nice crit bow youll be criting 40% of your skills?- its INSANE.

yes pure str can 1 shot a pure int with strongbow, and if they have good gear strongbow + whatever skill u want, prob the combo and they die.

pure int nukes dont do S*IT to bows with good gear, so you dont have to worry about nukers, and for glavies you will crit 90% more than them so theyre not too hard, if you get stunned phantom to the side right as you recover form it.

the only hard thing is a blader. high hp and block, then again its hard for any build, but they cant kill you. i can go afk and i wouldnt die from 2 bladers.

pure str bow i think is the best build in the game, the other one is the pure str glavie, but even an idiot can win with that.

[flexo]

creating a char is hard especially because of your mastery limit, you need to try to compesate your weak spots and building an int bow does not compesate any of the weak spots for pvp.

+1 so true..that's what I was saying

[yamataka]

creating a char is hard especially because of your mastery limit, you need to try to compesate your weak spots and building an int bow does not compesate any of the weak spots for pvp.

+1 so true..that's what I was saying

I already said that Int Bow was not made for pvp ... but not everyone one plays this game for endless cape wars outside of DW. I don't find cape fights all that fun (and I do have a str build for cape fights ... but its boring ...).

What I do well with this build is a group fight ... rush in ... kill ... rush out. People are forever complaining about bladers not being able to kill. Trust me in that a blader plus my archer can kill just about anything. Another fun trick when thieving is to drop the camels before anyone even notices there is a player thief around. Different people like different things.

Plus a few more thoughts ... you can level Heuksal, at least at the lower levels, to get the passive and the hp bonus like spear users. And while on average the percentages on a spear may average higher than a bow so that a spear "hits higher" ... there is not as high of a demand on bows so it might be easier (and cheaper) to get a good bow than it is to get an average sort of spear. Bows have higher magic attack averages than swords do though.

I too am looking forward to hear about the results on the 70-70 bow hybrids that are coming up and am very excited about seeing how the new skills at 90 will work into all of this. I also find it very interesting that there seem to be INT bows demonstrating those 90 skills.

And hey ... some people compensate for weaknesses and some people say "CHARGE! and let's go for it"... knowing that they are probably going to eventually either crash into a wall or through it. The fun is in seeing which it will be.

[yamataka]

good answer yamataka. Though I do think the cons out way the pros.

This should help.

http://forum.mmosite.com/topics/118/200 ... 1179239914

Thanks it is interesting

[psy]

imo bows str - hybrid - int all have uses just depends how you prefere to play it.

str bow will deal its best damage against an int not a str, has a good amount of hp, greater range than nuker. hmm high hp + deals its dmg best to int = sniper for opposing group's intels so they dont nuke your hybrids. and at the rate antidevil crits are going up, theoretically you can force your crits on strs in garms but its single target.

hybrid bow will deal its best damage against a str not an int(critless, if taking crit into account depends on the hybrid). I personally experienced the difficulty of facing intels with my hybrid bow, i could kill those wearing armor , i cant do nething to the garm (more so if shield) but unlike int, hybrid bow actually does have hp to live through a crit and/or stun (so flexo dont get mad at me XD : well int could to but by that declaration obviously the hybrid will take the dmg of strs better). also if you take into account bow's beserker arrow, autumn wind and possibly that split shot thing in 90 cap, you wont be able to tell where your crit will land, it may end up critting on the splash instead of your main target everytime. a hybrid bow wont care because hes satisfied with non-crit +atr explosion series hits- its just bonus to crit. not to mention, when would you ever find nukers(for optimal dmg to defense-mayb mercs but i havent had much exp with those) within 5 meter circle when they are ranged, as oppose to str melees flocking over 1 one of your team mates so they can focus fire.

int bow well its a more extreme version of the hybrid bow but it shares the same strengths and weakness of a nuker - being magical damage and magical defense. right now everyone can max walk speed and could be ice immune, if we ever get to lvl 110+ where our masteries choice is limited then the awesome range can come into play better, 'til then i would rather exchange the nuke damage for more range.

[flexo]

creating a char is hard especially because of your mastery limit, you need to try to compesate your weak spots and building an int bow does not compesate any of the weak spots for pvp.

+1 so true..that's what I was saying

I already said that Int Bow was not made for pvp ... but not everyone one plays this game for endless cape wars outside of DW. I don't find cape fights all that fun (and I do have a str build for cape fights ... but its boring ...).

What I do well with this build is a group fight ... rush in ... kill ... rush out. People are forever complaining about bladers not being able to kill. Trust me in that a blader plus my archer can kill just about anything. Another fun trick when thieving is to drop the camels before anyone even notices there is a player thief around. Different people like different things.

Plus a few more thoughts ... you can level Heuksal, at least at the lower levels, to get the passive and the hp bonus like spear users. And while on average the percentages on a spear may average higher than a bow so that a spear "hits higher" ... there is not as high of a demand on bows so it might be easier (and cheaper) to get a good bow than it is to get an average sort of spear. Bows have higher magic attack averages than swords do though.

I too am looking forward to hear about the results on the 70-70 bow hybrids that are coming up and am very excited about seeing how the new skills at 90 will work into all of this. I also find it very interesting that there seem to be INT bows demonstrating those 90 skills.

And hey ... some people compensate for weaknesses and some people say "CHARGE! and let's go for it"... knowing that they are probably going to eventually either crash into a wall or through it. The fun is in seeing which it will be.

i know you said it was not made for pvp and I already awnsered that! but hey i'll do it again...
attacking in groups is possible with any build. You can take 3 1:1 hybrids (imo the most crappy build in sro) and still be succesfull with that. And your team tactics are also bassed on luck. You never know when the kd will be succesfull.. might be at the first might be at the 6th.. and any smart player will come after you first.. cause bladers really don't do much dmg.. (compared to other build.. before bladers start flaming me) rule is always take out the high dmg dealers/ low hp first. And yes bow does more dmg then sword but lacks the deffense. So it's a bad spear with more range. Really the only strong point you got is some extra range.. wich really is a gone with 1 phantom...

And getting heuksal is indeed a good idea for any pure int imo.. they should do anything to get their hp up withouth going hybrid.

And yes you can be offensive and just charge. But this is the point we are making. You do less dmg.. so less offensive.. and got no other strenghts (that are worth anything) that replace that loss.

Only point you got is that they are indeed cheaper. But you'll need that money for your gear wich needs to be pimped out....and i mean like right up to your pink hat and walking stick, with the ho's walking behind you. cause you'll need it to make up for your build.