Fire or Ice Wall???

Grim · Post by **Grim** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:35 pm

What is better Fire Wall or Ice Wall....I plan on using one of them for Guild Wars/PvP/and maybe Job Wars...

-Grim

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Thu May 03, 2007 9:50 pm

Each has its speciality

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Thu May 03, 2007 10:21 pm

Fire absorbs magical damage and Ice absorbs physical damage. You should pick one according to whether you are STR or INT based.

Grim · Post by **Grim** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:14 pm

I'm Pure Int.. But i heard that even though ice wall has phy def Like Crazy... I heard that it has very little life compared to the fire wall...

btw: Im thinking on using this skill before I put on a cape So when I PvP I have an advantage...

-Grim

HBblade · Post by **HBblade** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:32 pm

they're both pretty much useless, even maxed firewall/icewall will go down in 1-2 shots....but....

max firewall goes down in 1 shot if it's int nuke

max icewall goes down in 1-2 shot if pure str physical skills

so...

use firewall against str, since they do little mag.dmg, u wont get kd/stun/kb by the blade/glave, until they finally bring down the wall

use icewall against int, since they do little phy.dmg, u wont get kd/stun/kb, though int will probably just nuke the hell out of u, lol

Grim · Post by **Grim** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:37 pm

Umm i believe you got them backwards... The Ice wall absorbs Phy. Dmg and the Fire Wall absorbs Mag Dmg... But if it's really that bad.. do you prefer just to grab the Castle Shield Series instead??? If so, should I max out all 3 books or first and last??? And when do I use them??

-Grim

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:41 pm

HBblade wrote:they're both pretty much useless, even maxed firewall/icewall will go down in 1-2 shots....but....

max firewall goes down in 1 shot if it's int nuke

max icewall goes down in 1-2 shot if pure str physical skills

so...

use firewall against str, since they do little mag.dmg, u wont get kd/stun/kb by the blade/glave, until they finally bring down the wall

use icewall against int, since they do little phy.dmg, u wont get kd/stun/kb, though int will probably just nuke the hell out of u, lol

U said useless because u dont know how to use it. If it would be break down in 1 shot then feel happy that u could avoid that shot (like avoiding a nuke 7k dmg). At the same time u can pot and refresh your HP.

Grim · Post by **Grim** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:44 pm

Back on the Frost/Fire wall topic.. does it work like riding a horse?? Any dmg taken that kills a horse one hit is canceled on the person?? such as a 7K dmg nuke hits a 1K hp Frost wall.. Does 6K dmg hit the player or is it canceled???

-Grim

HBblade · Post by **HBblade** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:44 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:
HBblade wrote:they're both pretty much useless, even maxed firewall/icewall will go down in 1-2 shots....but....

max firewall goes down in 1 shot if it's int nuke

max icewall goes down in 1-2 shot if pure str physical skills

so...

use firewall against str, since they do little mag.dmg, u wont get kd/stun/kb by the blade/glave, until they finally bring down the wall

use icewall against int, since they do little phy.dmg, u wont get kd/stun/kb, though int will probably just nuke the hell out of u, lol

U said useless because u dont know how to use it. If it would be break down in 1 shot then feel happy that u could avoid that shot (like avoiding a nuke 7k dmg). At the same time u can pot and refresh your HP.

lmfao, it's slower to put up than some1 firing a nuke at u, & when u have 20k hp, why even put up a wall when some1's gonna nuke u for 10k or less, it takes at least 3 nukes of 10k to kill pure str (if the pure str isn't fighting back), 7k nukes will never kill a pure str, unless lags

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:51 pm

HBblade wrote:
NuclearSilo wrote:
HBblade wrote:they're both pretty much useless, even maxed firewall/icewall will go down in 1-2 shots....but....

max firewall goes down in 1 shot if it's int nuke

max icewall goes down in 1-2 shot if pure str physical skills

so...

use firewall against str, since they do little mag.dmg, u wont get kd/stun/kb by the blade/glave, until they finally bring down the wall

use icewall against int, since they do little phy.dmg, u wont get kd/stun/kb, though int will probably just nuke the hell out of u, lol

U said useless because u dont know how to use it. If it would be break down in 1 shot then feel happy that u could avoid that shot (like avoiding a nuke 7k dmg). At the same time u can pot and refresh your HP.

lmfao, it's slower to put up than some1 firing a nuke at u, & when u have 20k hp, why even put up a wall when some1's gonna nuke u for 10k or less, it takes at least 3 nukes of 10k to kill pure str (if the pure str isn't fighting back), 7k nukes will never kill a pure str, unless lags

Yeah, funny, right?

When u have only 7k HP left, a nuke could finish u off. So is putting a firewall to avoid 7k damage and refresh 4k HP better, or use that 3s (the time required to put up a wall) to inflict 4k damage to the Int better?

Black_Mamba · Post by **Black_Mamba** » Fri May 04, 2007 12:54 am

A maxed ice wall is awesome against str's, it will always save you if used properly, fire walls are okay for ints but an 80 int will still 1 shot it down, you won't take any dmg though, you could just get book 1 of it and it would still save you just as good, the only difference is they can lion shout a low lvl wall down and then use 2 nukes on you which is likely gonna kill you.

alZen · Post by **alZen** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:23 am

walls works best for archers.

helps pure ints a lot too, but lesser of a help for pure str.

flexo · Post by **flexo** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:42 am

Grim wrote:Umm i believe you got them backwards... The Ice wall absorbs Phy. Dmg and the Fire Wall absorbs Mag Dmg... But if it's really that bad.. do you prefer just to grab the Castle Shield Series instead??? If so, should I max out all 3 books or first and last??? And when do I use them??

-Grim

well i just got firewall and I like it. You can't get kd and I only got lvl1 of the second book and already something like 3k hp. So yeah it gets 1shot away by pretty much everybody.. but still it's extra hp.. so it will help you live through a sos nuke with a pure int.. and with pure str it's just more hp.. wich is never bad.

And Castle shield series get that!! like right now.. that skill is great!! helps you live through a crit from a sos glavie...cause that s.hit hurt..^^

Grim · Post by **Grim** » Fri May 04, 2007 10:29 am

HBblade: for one I dont have 20K life cause ima Pure Int....This is the whole purpose of having this skill..

So I guess I should get the Ice Wall...

Back on the Frost/Fire wall topic.. does it work like riding a horse?? Any dmg taken that kills a horse one hit is canceled on the person?? such as a 7K dmg nuke hits a 1K hp Frost wall.. Does 6K dmg hit the player or is it canceled???

Can you guys answer that???

-Grim

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Fri May 04, 2007 12:10 pm

Grim wrote:HBblade: for one I dont have 20K life cause ima Pure Int....This is the whole purpose of having this skill..

So I guess I should get the Ice Wall...

Back on the Frost/Fire wall topic.. does it work like riding a horse?? Any dmg taken that kills a horse one hit is canceled on the person?? such as a 7K dmg nuke hits a 1K hp Frost wall.. Does 6K dmg hit the player or is it canceled???

Can you guys answer that???

-Grim

Yep, like horse. Even a 1 HP wall can help your ass from being damage 10k nuke

Grim · Post by **Grim** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:02 pm

Thxs... So I've Decided that Frost Wall will be the one I choose with the castle shield series...

-Grim

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:07 pm

Grim wrote:Thxs... So I've Decided that Frost Wall will be the one I choose with the castle shield series...

-Grim

hey welcome back black_mamba

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go for firewall then
you alraedy got castle shield get compensation of the high magic attack with a firewall
that way you will be more effective vs all builds
taking icewall and castle makes you just strong vs str based builds but each time you will face an int build you wont have any extra defence.
but as in all cases the more sp you got the easier the choice will be

icewall - fanstorm
firewall - castleshield

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:29 pm

Grim wrote:Thxs... So I've Decided that Frost Wall will be the one I choose with the castle shield series...

-Grim

sry tp say, but... ice wall wont protect u from nuke, coz nuke is purely magic attack.

Grim · Post by **Grim** » Sat May 05, 2007 6:19 pm

Well.. You can have Castle Shield on and then use a FireWall???
I'm a Pure Int Nuker Garment S/S....90fire/90light/90cold/30bicheon...

Using that I'd only have a lvl 7 Castle shield with 27% Physical Absorbtion...

I would like to have a Strong Def. For Pure Str in Guild Wars..

But.. That would leave me with no defence agianst Pure Int... So I see what your saying, Maybe I could do both...(Sp is an abundance in me....What is it for 5 months of Sp farming or 6...May take about a year for Joymax to give the 90 cap update..)

Fanstorm is not possible since I don't have Heuksal...

I would like to do one or the other but it's either Pure Physical Def, or Little physical def/Lots of Mag Def.

-Grim