pure STR archer : lowest dmg class in the game?

dguynextdoor · Post by **dguynextdoor** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:14 pm

i have a pure STR archer (lvl 30) , i have pretty good bow and learned fire imbue but my damage is still really low compare to other classes and i was wondering why would anyone be STR archer when a nuker does much higher damage and has pretty good range? and is it true that STR archers are really bad for PVE? if its true, i would rather start a new character as a spear INT nuker and do 2x more damage cause all they lack is health which can be solved using alchemy.

FK47 · Post by **FK47** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:44 pm

More damage than a blader, especially with the Pacheon buff/passive. I've found PVE far more enjoyable and quicker with a bow...

Waisha · Post by **Waisha** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:36 pm

I think str glaive's lvl faster than str bow's. And if u wt lvl faster then go int spear. And str bow's dont do good in pvp, much better and less sp farm with str glaive.
So either go str fire glaive - less sp farm. good pvp.
Or int spear fire light - more sp farm. not very good at pvp. fast killing.

dguynextdoor · Post by **dguynextdoor** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:07 am

are pure STR archers good for PVE? Also wouldnt INT archers be good in the long term due to the new alchemy system that allows you to increase your health ?

vulperin · Post by **vulperin** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:19 am

I kept hearing that int archers are a joke...and yes, pure str archers still do more dmg than pure str bladers

isight · Post by **isight** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:32 pm

Archers rely on crits int = less crit damage. int archer = pointless

dguynextdoor · Post by **dguynextdoor** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:47 pm

right, thanks for the tips. One last question, does archers get owned by other classes in higher levels?

Waisha · Post by **Waisha** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:49 pm

Yep they will be owned by pure str blades and glaives and int hybrid sword and spear, dunno bout pure int's though.

HuyFong · Post by **HuyFong** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:56 pm

Archers are underated due to their low marks in PvP. Back when I was an archer I had the highest combat points out of anyone in my guild. Archers kicks serious ass in job / guild wars. Also trade runs are much easier with a strong archer who can antidevil bow+arrow combo dead a npc thief of the same level.

Archer does more damage than STR bladers and I didnt have a problem with bladers at all when I was an archer. However, as an archer you should wear armor or protector because you will have a prolonged fight with glaviers and bladers since your damage is lower in single person pvp you want to be able to take on that extra glavie damage and take the stab after the KD by bladers.

Criterion- · Post by **Criterion-** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:18 pm

W3GAN wrote:Yep they will be owned by pure str blades and glaives and int hybrid sword and spear, dunno bout pure int's though.

Any pure str user dieing to a pure str blade = joke.

zexy · Post by **zexy** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:35 am

W3GAN wrote:I think str glaive's lvl faster than str bow's. And if u wt lvl faster then go int spear. And str bow's dont do good in pvp, much better and less sp farm with str glaive.
So either go str fire glaive - less sp farm. good pvp.
Or int spear fire light - more sp farm. not very good at pvp. fast killing.

Or maybe you just stfu about what builds thats acceptable and which isnt, and let people play what they like?

senapanaga · Post by **senapanaga** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:27 am

the game is about fun not about owning people at higher lvls.

I enjoy being pure str glavie, (well im farming my new char atm so... yeah... lol) so whatever. If you wanna go bow, then stay bow, like Huy said, they are definitely great in jobs/wars.

czx · Post by **czx** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:30 am

and another thing
just today i loged on and saw lv55 archer(str) vs lv55 spear nuker
and the archer kicked the sh!t out of him
both wearing garment

senapanaga · Post by **senapanaga** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:40 am

erm.

so?

Both wearing garm, did one have full sos garms? or an sos weapon? or alchemied items? you dont know these things czx. Neither do i. So lets not talk about them.

My hybrid int nuker took on archers even a few lvls above me, and i never had any good items.

FK47 · Post by **FK47** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:16 am

zexy wrote:
W3GAN wrote:I think str glaive's lvl faster than str bow's. And if u wt lvl faster then go int spear. And str bow's dont do good in pvp, much better and less sp farm with str glaive.
So either go str fire glaive - less sp farm. good pvp.
Or int spear fire light - more sp farm. not very good at pvp. fast killing.

Or maybe you just stfu about what builds thats acceptable and which isnt, and let people play what they like?

Yes!

Pake1 · Post by **Pake1** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:23 am

STR ARCHER:
PVE - Fast Grinder (No movement, range ftw~~ also easy on the fingers [antidev+combo])
Job/Group Wars - (You don't use a bow like a glaive, you snipe people out, and help out the people who do have them)
1V1 - INT killer- 1or 2 crits and that nuker is down. Bladers/Glaivers will always get you with their KD/Block or Knockback/Stun, so the only STR battles you'll win is people who just suck at your lvl)
Support system- Back up your fellow guildie in a Guild War and get those crits in so he can finish them off while picking off the nukers from a distance.

Again, 1vs1 archers at my lvl against glaives is basically a done deal for me. Bladers sometimes go down in a few lucky succession of crits.

Hey I can still kill a glaiver if i zerk AND crit

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dguynextdoor · Post by **dguynextdoor** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:42 am

thanks.. about how much SP would an STR archer( fire with grasswalk ) need? and if i dont SP farm about how much gap should i have?

Odanez · Post by **Odanez** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:56 am

heres an interesting point:

I am a hybrid fire bow wearing protector. I once did a 1on1 with someone in my level, he was also fire bow wearing garment, but pure str. our bows were also very similar, but I beat him every time, because I made more damage. ok idk what armor he had it might have been worse than mine but I thought until then that I messed up my int/str distribution, but I'm happy with my hybrid fire bow char now

isight · Post by **isight** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:32 pm

czx wrote:and another thing
just today i loged on and saw lv55 archer(str) vs lv55 spear nuker
and the archer kicked the sh!t out of him
both wearing garment

int wearing garmet v str bow(phys) ? No wonder the nuker lost

asianair09 · Post by **asianair09** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:22 pm

odanez what type of hybrid r u, str or int because i have been thinking about experimenting with a hybrid archer for some time. also do u still crit at a good rate and damage?

isight · Post by **isight** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:15 pm

asianair09 wrote:odanez what type of hybrid r u, str or int because i have been thinking about experimenting with a hybrid archer for some time. also do u still crit at a good rate and damage?

Adding int doesn't affect the amount you crit it effects the damage added from your crit. A crit is 2x phys damage. Adding int points lowers your phys damage compared to a pure str, therefore less crit damage.

asianair09 · Post by **asianair09** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:20 pm

yes, i am aware of how a crit works, i am just wondering how often and if the dmg is still good for a hybrid archer.

Odanez · Post by **Odanez** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:18 am

the frequency at which you crit depends totally on the weapon, not str or int. check your weapons crit rating, 2 would mean a 2% chance of a critical hit, 10 = 10% chance. my bow has 9 which is quite good.

ok basically I am an almost pure 50/50 hybrid, but I am building more str (+3 to str at each lvl up) because of obvious reasons. If I had the choice I would have gone for a 2:1 str:int hybrid from the beginning, but to reach lvl40 takes too long for me to start over again, and I don't play that much (basically I have been working on this char since march this year :p )

billgeta · Post by **billgeta** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:41 pm

str archer

- decent amount of hp
- far range than rest of builds
- fast lvl

again, tere is no best build....go get all ur buffs and pimp ur gear = ownage @ the end.

dguynextdoor · Post by **dguynextdoor** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:26 pm

i've also been thinking about hybrids too, because when u cap your level, the imbue will add small portion to your dmg, but if u added INT your imbue will do alot more dmg, so, pure strength might do 100% physical dmg, while hybrid STR would do 60% physical dmg + 50% magical damage, adding 10% more damage. Am i right or am i wrong?