What do y'all think?

[Tasdik]

How do y'all feel about the Frost Wall Series, Fire Wall Series, Shield Technique Series, Fanning Spear Series, Autumn Wind Arrow Series, and the Force tree in general?

[raphaell666]

Frost Wall Series, Fire Wall Series, Shield Technique Series, Fanning Spear Series

These are all extremely useful skills, even more if timed correctly.

Autumn Wind Arrow Series

I don't think this is a actually needed skill, there are plenty others stronger from pacheon, but it's worth it while at lower levels.

Force tree

Powerful tree, though it is rendered nearly useless by holy spell. It has it's pros like healing, curing and those skills that force offers, but as it's main advantage is debuffing which can be rendered useless simply by someone using holy spell (chances are that at group pvp you'll always fight people with holy spell, and at 1vs1 a great quantity of euros will be cleric sub), I don't think it's really worth it, I wouldn't take it, as it'd be used mainly for 1vs1 pvping against other chineses.

[Tasdik]

Frost Wall Series, Fire Wall Series, Shield Technique Series, Fanning Spear Series

These are all extremely useful skills, even more if timed correctly.

I can see the shield and spear series being useful. But the Frost and Fire wall's just seem like more of a hassle then they are helpful to me

Autumn Wind Arrow Series

I don't think this is a actually needed skill, there are plenty others stronger from pacheon, but it's worth it while at lower levels.

Agreed

Force tree

I don't think it's really worth it, I wouldn't take it, as it'd be used mainly for 1vs1 pvping against other chineses.

That's kinda how I feel about it.

[fckerr]

15sec buffs are useful , rest are worthless IMO.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

Frost Wall Series, Fire Wall Series, Shield Technique Series, Fanning Spear Series

These are all extremely useful skills, even more if timed correctly.

I can see the shield and spear series being useful. But the Frost and Fire wall's just seem like more of a hassle then they are helpful to me

not as a bower, the walls can turn you into a turret

Autumn Wind Arrow Series

I don't think this is a actually needed skill, there are plenty others stronger from pacheon, but it's worth it while at lower levels.

Agreed

in the age of powerlvl and farming, the skill is really just a filler from my point of view

Force tree

I don't think it's really worth it, I wouldn't take it, as it'd be used mainly for 1vs1 pvping against other chineses.

That's kinda how I feel about it.

+1

15sec buffs are useful , rest are worthless IMO.

rest isnt worthless, just not nerfed up enough for everyone to take them as a MUST

as for the 15 second buffs:
the euro versions of those buffs are radically overpowered if you ask me
they give at least 20% better defence than the chinese skills and are 3x longer

it would make sense to merge the block rate [%] increase skills with the pure defence increase skills to make you invincible for 15 seconds against either magical or physical attacks rather than just waste 2x SP for taking both.

[noobert mclagg]

People don't realize it, but ice wall/fire wall would be really useful in parties for pure ints. As for autumn wind, meh I wouldn't get it, mind bow seem way more useful. Force, another set of skills that are really useful for partying, and can be good for 1v1 pvp.

[raphaell666]

People don't realize it, but ice wall/fire wall would be really useful in parties for pure ints. As for autumn wind, meh I wouldn't get it, mind bow seem way more useful.

Agreed, but there are other uses for fire/ice wall at pretty much any situation, mainly for helping you survive, but yeah.

Force, another set of skills that are really useful for partying, and can be good for 1v1 pvp.

At group pvping yes, though then force would only be able to support, as most likely your enemies will be with holy spell/word on. And if you compare, euro supporting builds are WAY better and more effective than chinese force users, rendering support force users nearly obsolete. It'd then only be actually useful at 1vs1 pvping, but also only against chinese or euros without cleric sub, where a great deal of euros have cleric sub. And most people have now learned how to counter force debuffs with special pills.

[Bobby]

15 seconds are great, fire/ice wall are good too but i don't find them nearly as useful. Right now, i only have lvl1 of each, it's enuf to survive a shot. I'll consider maxing them, tho throwing up a wall and start damaging dosen't quite work as well as should, (except for bowers lol).

[Tasdik]

I can see the shield and spear series being useful. But the Frost and Fire wall's just seem like more of a hassle then they are helpful to me

not as a bower, the walls can turn you into a turret

Ooh, I had never thought about that. That's awesome