Fire imbue much weaker than lightning.

Post by **Avalanche** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:45 am

lol fire does less dmg, i laugh at that THOUGHT.

aznshadow · Post by **aznshadow** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:03 am

Fire = STR
Lightning = Bow w/ black hawk and u wear prot LOLZ (honestly the worst build that I've seen.....)

anywayz Billion... I found an SOSUN LVL 64 Spear!!! Crit 14!!! Mag Atk 100%!!!!!

Post by **Avalanche** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:04 am

^^ LOL

jabbers · Post by **jabbers** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:17 am

why dont u find out how much the parry is reduced? get someone to see what their max parry is than give them electric shock status.. i guess the parry reduce is applied to the damage of the initial hit that creates it than?

Kew · Post by **Kew** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:20 am

electric shock reduces the parry to 50%

PuRe · Post by **PuRe** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:58 am

If ur level 70 and not immune to everything ur noob anyway.

br0ken · Post by **br0ken** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:05 am

PuRe wrote:If ur level 70 and not immune to everything ur noob anyway.

woah that was immature.

ahem,
I'm guessing that the parry reducing has a LOT to do with the "higher" damage which the post speaks of. It would be more interesting if someone presented more data on the subject.

klaus · Post by **klaus** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:17 am

universal pills?

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:21 am

pingpongboss wrote:
draquish wrote:already knew that lightning=nuker cold=bow and fire=strenght

every1 knows that!

lightning = attract mobs = pure int nuker dies

every1 knows that!

wow no ones gets that if ur gonna use ur thunder nukes u'll attract monsters as well and please dont give me the pathetic answer 3 is better than 9 cuz imbue doesnt give another 6 mobs

also i know what you mean about thunder hitting more ive tried it and posted it in my guide but no one believed me .

ive yet to find why?

Thur · Post by **Thur** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:49 am

i'm 100% electric shock immune. U can do shit on me with ur lightning imbue.

twin8620 · Post by **twin8620** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:13 am

you have to be doing something wrong cause i hit harder with fire imbue than lightning imbue. and yes i have both and both masteries are the same.

damastergen326 · Post by **damastergen326** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:54 am

can someone please do a few more experiments with lightning/fire imbue please? I think I'm gonna have to bring back lightning now

BryaN · Post by **BryaN** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:01 am

i have a lvl 70 friend and his fire imbeu is about 2-5k better then the light one so imma stick with fire

phulshof · Post by **phulshof** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:11 am

I think the general idea is that if you're going to one hit nuke something, fire is your best shot. Once the shock effect kicks in however (PvP, giants, etc.) the lightning does more damage. Best results would of course be fire after the shock has kicked in.

arretjescake · Post by **arretjescake** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:45 am

ONE PERSON says lightning is better and we all go ZOMFG WHY DID I LISTEN TO EVERYONE WHO SAID FIRE ??

cometfall · Post by **cometfall** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:56 pm

a lot of better posters are replied already....

1. lightning does more damage ONLY when electric shock effect kicks in
2. fire does more damage regardless of status effect

the only resolution for lightning users is if/when Joymax will restrict Fire Shield to shield-users exclusively

arretjescake · Post by **arretjescake** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:03 pm

25 % chance that you get the effect. He must nuke multiple times b4 you get effect and then u can pill it away
Lightning mbue only work on mobs. They can't pill.
And yup, PuRe. If your not immune to anything at cap your an amazing nap.

SeongYooRi · Post by **SeongYooRi** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:44 pm

take note that almost all high lvl will have all immnuity against any effects

kitary · Post by **kitary** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:47 pm

arretjescake wrote:25 % chance that you get the effect. He must nuke multiple times b4 you get effect and then u can pill it away
Lightning mbue only work on mobs. hey can't pill.
And yup, PuRe. If your not immune to anything at cap your an amazing nap.

Correction , 20% effect ,

and yeh it has effect on the hit it couses it , than its pilled away

rangah · Post by **rangah** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:47 pm

br0ken wrote:
PuRe wrote:If ur level 70 and not immune to everything ur noob anyway.

woah that was immature.

ahem,
I'm guessing that the parry reducing has a LOT to do with the "higher" damage which the post speaks of. It would be more interesting if someone presented more data on the subject.

He's right though.

Anyway, conclusion is that FIRE does more damage to someone who's immune to lighting&fire. kthnx

ShizKnight · Post by **ShizKnight** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:17 pm

Billion wrote:
Devotia wrote:Soul Fire Force at lvl 69 does 351~584 or an avg of 467.5.
Thunder Dragon Force at lvl 69 does 286~429 or an avg of 357.5 (25% less)

If you're only hitting a couple of times (eg nuker), fire is far and away the best force. If you're going to be hitting more often, (eg str) lightning does less damage until the effect takes hold. However, since a str user is most likely maxing fire anyway for the buffs, it's still a tossup. That said, once everyone at high lvls is immune to all 3 forces, fire is the best, hands down.

Right in a logical sense. But completely wrong on the battlefield.

As I said, it was the clear decision to go with fire. But it does MUCH less than the lightning imbue. I thoroughly tested both before I purchased more skill re-allocation potions.

SSS and Ghost spear did less with fire, and so did nukes. VERY noticable.

That decrease in parry ratio must be huge, it definitely makes a difference.

It's 50% parry reduce, VERY VERY noticeable.

superblur · Post by **superblur** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:35 pm

but does this shock come on the initial hit?
or does it only register on the hits after the one where the enemy was shocked?

Hyori · Post by **Hyori** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:23 pm

Devotia wrote:Soul Fire Force at lvl 69 does 351~584 or an avg of 467.5.
Thunder Dragon Force at lvl 69 does 286~429 or an avg of 357.5 (25% less)

If you're only hitting a couple of times (eg nuker), fire is far and away the best force. If you're going to be hitting more often, (eg str) lightning does less damage until the effect takes hold. However, since a str user is most likely maxing fire anyway for the buffs, it's still a tossup. That said, once everyone at high lvls is immune to all 3 forces, fire is the best, hands down.

I want to know where the hell you got those numbers.

Light avg dmg = 397.5
Fire avg dmg = 467.5
Avg difference = 70
My avg magic attack = 1800
Percent atk that it matters = 3.9% extra dmg with fire imbue.

Avg magic attack of hypothetical lvl90 = 3500 (hyothetically)
Percent atk that it matters = 2%
Increase from FPF = 1%
Final difference = 1% extra dmg with fire imbue. (On a well planned int with weapon skills)

*And yes, the imbue damage is added, not amplified. Do a weapon skill without imbue and you'll see what I mean.

Tatianasaphira · Post by **Tatianasaphira** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:19 pm

If you are str hybrid or pure, having lightning imbue attract others is not going to matter. I still do not regret changing from Cold to Lightning, having tried fire imbue on a pure int

Skitsefrenik · Post by **Skitsefrenik** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:26 pm

ZOMG...who cares

twin8620 · Post by **twin8620** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:26 am

Skitsefrenik can you plz drink a nice cup of stfu. this is a Characters and SKILLS board so ya i think people care. If you don't care then why are you here, better yet why did you post??? To make yourself look cool?? I think you made yourself look like a moron :roll:

badKarma · Post by **badKarma** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:03 am

twin8620 wrote:Skitsefrenik can you plz drink a nice cup of stfu. this is a Characters and SKILLS board so ya i think people care. If you don't care then why are you here, better yet why did you post??? To make yourself look cool?? I think you made yourself look like a moron

Amen brother. Down with useless posts like "lol

" or "shut up

" or "sux!"... you get the idea. If you wanna post, you better post something worthwile.

Back on topic: I think the general consensus is that fire > lightning in short fights, while lightning > fire in long fights (giants, uniquest) because of the insane parry reduction. But is burn really pointless? I heard at high lvls it can burn for over hundreds of dmg.

Seighart · Post by **Seighart** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:46 am

Fire 2nd book > any nuke

Ice_Warrior · Post by **Ice_Warrior** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:25 pm

no matter wot light imbue cannot be strong den fire imbue, its impossible, i MEAN IMPOSSIBLE! but for int players, lightning tree definately for the buffs.

PunPride · Post by **PunPride** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:02 pm

im only lvl 39 and im already 47% immune to lightning so **** yo couch *****, cant do shit to me... fire kickz lightningz ass , peace out. lvl 70 with fire switching over? hahahhaha