2H/Bard - Yay or Nay?

[Entangle]

I'm thinking of farming my self a 2H/Bard for my cousin because he's going to start playing silkroad, is this a good build for solo'ing? He wants to play on Xian.

Obviously my friends are going to pfarm it for me, because i play on venus.

So, Is this build good for PvE and PvP?

Discuss.

[Nitro]

Warrior without 1h - Fail!
Warrior with 2h only - Fail!
Warrior with Bard subclass - Fail!
Warrior without Cleric subclass - Fail!

2H/Bard - Yay or Nay? - Nay!

[IDontPlaySRO]

Cleric isn't required it's just a lot worse without it. But yah you need 1H too.

[mimiskis]

bard would only make u faster and recover mp
u dont need noise as ur a warrior
cleric would recover health, res people, take of bad statuses, not to mention bless spell

[the_wicked]

I personally have 1H, 2H, and Sudden Twist under axes for bleed and an extra stun skill.
Cleric makes you very hard to kill, and its better for pve imo cuz you never die if you're smart.

Wearing robes a +9 sword nuker, FF with perfect gear nukes me 13-14k, sometimes more if i have 2h out. That much dmg is easy to tank out by self healing. also for about 135 sec, with a 10-20 sec inbetween, you can go skin bless skin to tank everything.

[Floor]

Warrior without 1h - Fail!
Warrior with 2h only - Fail!
Warrior with Bard subclass - Fail!
Warrior without Cleric subclass - Fail!

2H/Bard - Yay or Nay? - Nay!

You fail! You dont know shit.
On to topic, i find this a fun build :O Ive seen 2h bards in parties and i got nothing bad to say .. And i think they can solo great too.

[Nitro]

Warrior without 1h - Fail!
Warrior with 2h only - Fail!
Warrior with Bard subclass - Fail!
Warrior without Cleric subclass - Fail!

2H/Bard - Yay or Nay? - Nay!

You fail! You dont know shit.
On to topic, i find this a fun build :O Ive seen 2h bards in parties and i got nothing bad to say .. And i think they can solo great too.

Rofl... I fail?
2h Bard? Lol ... that is epic failure ...

• No Cleric subclass
• Why in the hell Warrior would need Bard, please, please explain me?
• Warrior with 2h skills only, without 1h skills is pure crap, no wonder there are alot of videos "Wow I beated 2h/Cleric" ... The damage output with 2h skills only is lower, than with mix of 1h/2h. People who played Warrior propperly would know why and what did I just type.
  And should I even talk about difference in defense with 1h/shield out.
• Apsolute damage? It can 1hit Fully buffed with eveything you want Wizard in Life Control
• Light Armor passives + Blessings?
• Healing Cycle ... I mean NOONE can live without it... Its the best skill in game.
• Should I even type more, because I could type 99 things why Warrior/Bard is pure failure.

For your information at level 72 I could grind on generals (even party generals) - solo, with NPC gear (Cleric subclass ofcourse).

You've seen it in parties? What idiot does use 2h in party?
Lol ... you just epic failed, go play in Constantinopole with your crappy Warr/Lock.

[Nixie]

Warrior without 1h - Fail!
Warrior with 2h only - Fail!
Warrior with Bard subclass - Fail!
Warrior without Cleric subclass - Fail!

2H/Bard - Yay or Nay? - Nay!

You fail! You dont know shit.
On to topic, i find this a fun build :O Ive seen 2h bards in parties and i got nothing bad to say .. And i think they can solo great too.

Rofl... I fail?
2h Bard? Lol ... that is epic failure ...

• No Cleric subclass
• Why in the hell Warrior would need Bard, please, please explain me?
• Warrior with 2h skills only, without 1h skills is pure crap, no wonder there are alot of videos "Wow I beated 2h/Cleric" ... The damage output with 2h skills only is lower, than with mix of 1h/2h. People who played Warrior propperly would know why and what did I just type.
  And should I even talk about difference in defense with 1h/shield out.
• Apsolute damage? It can 1hit Fully buffed with eveything you want Wizard in Life Control
• Light Armor passives + Blessings?
• Healing Cycle ... I mean NOONE can live without it... Its the best skill in game.
• Should I even type more, because I could type 99 things why Warrior/Bard is pure failure.

For your information at level 72 I could grind on generals (even party generals) - solo, with NPC gear (Cleric subclass ofcourse).

You've seen it in parties? What idiot does use 2h in party?
Lol ... you just epic failed, go play in Constantinopole with your crappy Warr/Lock.

A warrior does not need 2 (or all 3) of the weapons available. All 3 weapons can be played, without the other 2, they just will not be that strong as they would be with with 2 or even all 3. I've got a warrior/cleric myself and I have to say that I can grind any monsters I want, but I usually take 1~2 levels lower because of the faster kill. If it's a party hunt I can easily handle monsters that 10 levels higher (with a proper party of course). The only difference is the damage being taken. Two-handed can KD, you can party without the skill, while one-handed has a lot of KB skills, which may not be that good for a party (the party would move a little, while it should stand ground).

I haven't played a lot in parties, but it's enough to know what's good and what not. And with 2 tanks in a party you'll usually have a one-handed and a two-handed warrior (or replace any of them with an axe warrior).

But I agree, bard simply does not fit to a warrior.

[Nitro]

^Well... You will not be that good in Cape Fights with only two handed sword ...
Trust me dulling with Shield Crush (and shield crush is lifesaver) KDing with Turn Rising and then (Triple Swing followed by Charge Swing) / (Cunning Stab) is a killer, and its will kill most of the time, if it crits - which happens quite alot.

For party play - 1h/shield - hands down... You dont need to use Shield Crush inthere, but I was able to tank generals in light npc armor (64-69) at lv.72...
I mean shitloads of them, like 7-8 party mobs at the time. Ofcourse I wouldnt be able if there isnt Cleric (who knows what he is doing) + few Wizards who can switch to Cleric rod and cast bless,so we chain blesses...

They still hitted hard, while I was underbless... Oh yeah, I perfer one Warrior in party (is it just me or I dont know), because when we have pick up group, usually other Warrior doesnt have 1h skills farmed / bad equipment / dont know what to do / doesnt understand english etc etc...

Anyway... 1h/shield - and nothing else - for party play.

[strangelove]

Rofl... I fail?
2h Bard? Lol ... that is epic failure ...

• No Cleric subclass
• Why in the hell Warrior would need Bard, please, please explain me?
• Warrior with 2h skills only, without 1h skills is pure crap, no wonder there are alot of videos "Wow I beated 2h/Cleric" ... The damage output with 2h skills only is lower, than with mix of 1h/2h. People who played Warrior propperly would know why and what did I just type.
  And should I even talk about difference in defense with 1h/shield out.
• Apsolute damage? It can 1hit Fully buffed with eveything you want Wizard in Life Control
• Light Armor passives + Blessings?
• Healing Cycle ... I mean NOONE can live without it... Its the best skill in game.
• Should I even type more, because I could type 99 things why Warrior/Bard is pure failure.

For your information at level 72 I could grind on generals (even party generals) - solo, with NPC gear (Cleric subclass ofcourse).

You've seen it in parties? What idiot does use 2h in party?
Lol ... you just epic failed, go play in Constantinopole with your crappy Warr/Lock.

Not having a Cleric sub-class has its many downsides, but that doesn't mean it isn't impossible to play without one. In fact, in my previous 'crappy Warr/Lock' as you so quaintly put it, I had 0 troubles in combat (both PvP and PvE) and I didn't need any healing or buffing to beat my opponents. In fact, the reason I quit my Warrior/Warlock was because I found it tremendously boring that I could beat anyone easily and quickly. There are other functional combos that do not require Cleric sub-masteries but that doesn't mean 'they fail'. The Warrior/Rogue combo is also very effective and I do not believe 'it fails' either. By not expanding your options to even think that a build with no Cleric sub-mastery can kill someone with a Cleric sub-mastery is pretty close-minded to say the least. =)

OT: From what I've experienced having a Euro STR with a Bard sub, I can tell you that Bard is useful, but its usefulness is very limited. Moving speed and Noise are two of these useful skills, but the Bard class in general is best used in groups of 2 or more Bards. But even then, these group Bard skills will not be to your advantage because you will not be able to attack with the Warrior sub-class and your STR stat distribution will not allow you to effectively use Bard attacking skills.

[Nitro]

^Dont involve Warrior/Rogue or Warrior/Warlock in this story, this is about 2h/Bard...
The guy said I failed, because I dont know "anything" about Warriors....

As you said - Two useful skills are Moving/Swing March & Noise.
There is always someone with subbard (atleast those Rogues take it all the time), who can give you Moving/Swing March ... and there is no reason for you to use Noise in party play...

If you want to solo - go ahead, take Bard subclass, but you as european are doing massive mistake, and making it incredibly boring & long for you to level up.

[JKMB]

I would be inclined to agree with Nitro here as warriors tend to need both 2h and 1h to be effective, spaming sprint assult and daredevil doesnt work at this cap anymore, I would say bard isnt a very good sub for a warrior because a warrior should focus on 1) being an immortal meat shield and 2) generating shit loads of aggro. Bard does not offer that many defense skills that a warrior can make use of, tambours for example require the warrior to keep his harp equiped, and many bard skills are aimed at decreasing aggro, rather then generating it, when you compare that to recovery division for example which is an aggro magnet to skills like confusion which stop the monster attacking you.
Additonly euros shouldnt solo so why you would aim to make a build solo that does a much needed and essential job in parties seems to defeat the purpose of being a warrior at all not to mention the harp itself is a 2h wep which makes quickly swapping to it in the middle of combat rather cumbersome where has its possible to quickly swap to your cleric rod, res your team mate and swap back to 1h and regain aggro.

[tedtwilliger]

warrior / bard works well actually.

Bind increases the damage of certain 1h moves ( cunning stab? ) without breaking the bind. Pure str bard also works quite well in group wars, absolute damage moves for attack and mana orbit / cycle keeps everyone's hp up effectively. The extra bit hp helps tank as well.

Also with speed and the ability to wear garms warrior / bard is a very balanced build.

[borat2]

Warrior without 1h - Fail!
Warrior with 2h only - Fail!
Warrior with Bard subclass - Fail!
Warrior without Cleric subclass - Fail!

2H/Bard - Yay or Nay? - Nay!

Few facts are indeed correct but the fact warrior without cleric subclass is fail i cant understand that one.

Euro are meant to play a role in a party, if you make sure 7 friends will play all the time with you there is no need to have a warrior subclass since warriors are the heart of the party, as long people have fences, quota and other warrior buffs i don`t see how they would die, maybe wizards but a cleric fully fenced, being protected by his team (knocking back/down whoever attack the cleric) the party should be fine.

But if you indeed want 1on1 pvp then the build is fail.

[Polemique]

Warrior without 1h - Fail!
Warrior with 2h only - Fail!
Warrior with Bard subclass - Fail!
Warrior without Cleric subclass - Fail!

2H/Bard - Yay or Nay? - Nay!

You fail! You dont know shit.
On to topic, i find this a fun build :O Ive seen 2h bards in parties and i got nothing bad to say .. And i think they can solo great too.

Absoloutly baseless...
Dont like ´em???
look cleric is obviously the better one. Take that or do your Warrior/Bard *hahaha*

[Blindfire]

Nitro, SG is a 2h/Cleric. Yes, only 2h skills and he parties well and pvps even better. It's about knowing how to use your own build, not the one everyon else uses.

[NO_SILK_4_ME]

A 2H/Bard is definitely better for PvE than a 2H/Cleric

Reasons:

-Party Play:
-You can take on the role of a tank OR a STR bard in a party, whereas, if you were cleric sub, you would only be needed as a tank, because STR clerics are just failures without a bard, and even with one, you heal less and you need to be constantly cycled.

An Ideal party consists of 2 tanks, 2 bards, 3 wiz/(2wiz/1lock), cleric

Being a tank/bard, you have a higher chance of getting into those parties.

-Soloing:
-Warriors already have high defence with the use of heavy armor so a RD and healing cycles are not really needed. You already have skins anyways which will save you from most situations. If you're getting mobbed, you can always shield trash as well.

-Since you're a warrior, you'll most likely be in heavy armor, so you run slow as hell. The speed buffs from bard can save you a lot of time and up your efficiency in PvE.



Warrior/Cleric is the ultimate tank in PvP and definitely the better choice, BUT, a warrior/bard is much better in PvE.

P.S. If you want in on a euro party, you're gonna need 1h/shield as well. Good Luck.

[Domination]

sounds like a botter.... If so then Warrior/Bard is useless for you. You will never pt play. If i am wrong, oh well. Its just what it sounds like.

[Entangle]

sounds like a botter.... If so then Warrior/Bard is useless for you. You will never pt play. If i am wrong, oh well. Its just what it sounds like.

Excuse me?
AFAIK, The SRF rules so do not accuse people of botting without proof.

BTW, My friend is playing on XIAN of course he is going to solo
*facepalm*

[Nitro]

Nitro, SG is a 2h/Cleric. Yes, only 2h skills and he parties well and pvps even better. It's about knowing how to use your own build, not the one everyon else uses.

Rofl... So what if SG has 2h/Cleric? Like I care, no matter who the person is the build sucks without 1h skills farmed.
SG is nothing special, he is same as me, you, he and he, so dont think he is worth anything more...
He might be admin of the forum, but what is he in game?
With all respect, SG - You are a noob if you use 2h in parties and farm yourself 1h skills.

And yeah, its not about "knowing how to use your own build" - you simply suck without 1h skills.
Silkroad is waaay to simple game (compared to others), and tactic-less.
Whats there to do in party as Warrior? Buff people, use Taunting, aggro mobs.
Why would I want to use 2h, when I can have more defense and block?

No, he doesnt PvP even better with 2h skills only.

Warrior without 1h - Fail!
Warrior with 2h only - Fail!
Warrior with Bard subclass - Fail!
Warrior without Cleric subclass - Fail!

2H/Bard - Yay or Nay? - Nay!

Few facts are indeed correct but the fact warrior without cleric subclass is fail i cant understand that one.

Euro are meant to play a role in a party, if you make sure 7 friends will play all the time with you there is no need to have a warrior subclass since warriors are the heart of the party, as long people have fences, quota and other warrior buffs i don`t see how they would die, maybe wizards but a cleric fully fenced, being protected by his team (knocking back/down whoever attack the cleric) the party should be fine.

But if you indeed want 1on1 pvp then the build is fail.

In my eyes, it all comes down to Cape Fights and Fortress Wars...
You play PvE, till you get to cap and when you are fully farmed.
From that moment PvE ends! (Unless you want to play more - powerleveling etc.)

After PvE comes PvP, because there is simply nothing to do in PvE...
Jobbing - might sound fun, it might be fun, but the game is way to unbalanced at this time, to do fair and nice jobbing.
Guild Wars - I wont even comment that at all - from running to safe zone to outside buffers ... same as Jobbing
Cape Fights - Here comes the strategy, it all comes to those cape fights, those moments we spend in front of Samarkand and Donwhang ...

So yup ... 1v1 is what this game is for...

[tedtwilliger]

er...

why would anyone play this game if they don't plan to job? Jobbing is the only thing that makes SRO unique. The grinding is generic, the pvp is generic even fortress wars have been done before. The only thing that sets it apart is the fact that we have a jobbing system. Without it, i dont see why anyone would play SRO over any other mmo.