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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:54 pm
by walnut206
I am reading different guides about blades vs glades. I am looking at it PvP-wise. I heard that people saying to get glades for PvP because they can actually kill someone. Then I heard another people saying blades because they have higher defense so you would survive, but you can't kill anyone because of your low attack. I know that glades vs blades will result in a draw, but what about other characters? Nukers and Rouges for example. Who would be able to PvP them more efficiently, glades or blade?

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:08 am
by San
its glavies btw
glaives used to be the kings of pvp, cuz of good defence and moderate damage
but int's with snow shield and ice buff and s/s have become close competitors with the great glavies
rouges are cheap, stealth+buff+strongest attack=cheapness

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:13 am
by walnut206
what about blades?

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:27 am
by Firemouse
walnut206 wrote:what about blades?


Mass defense, mass survival skillz, mass HP, lower damage.
If you like tanking and living the longest, K/D spamming, flashyness, this class is for you.

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:39 am
by Avenger
Personally i think hybrid spears, or s/s are the best build, why because they can still nuke do alote of damage, and with ice shield they can start to tank quite abit of damage, so lets say if a glaver is doing 4 k on you, your doing still 7-8 k with nukes, then a stun every now and then guranteed ownage, but you have to learn when to run, and when to fight... The same for every build.

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:37 am
by fena
Quoted word for word from me and Manowar's Blader Guide:

fena wrote:The Blader – Concept & Comparison

The Concept of a Blader:
Bladers are notorious for “not being able to be killed, but not being able to kill a thing themselves.” While the latter part of the quote is not entirely true, the concept that a Blader is not able to be killed, certainly, is. A Blader is not meant to be a heavy damage-dealer. It is meant to be a Tanker, being able to have mobs upon mobs, hoards upon hoards, of enemies attacking it at once, and be able to tank through it all, and kill them one by one, sometimes by knocking down an enemy, sometimes by their Chains – and look cool, with the flashy Chains, and the sexy blades, and shields, throughout the entire process.

Cuchulainn wrote:The idea of blade is to sacrifice damage for more defense. So in essence, you don't hit as hard as a glavie, but you can take more or more correctly, you take less damage overall because of the extra defense and the almighty block from your shield.


Blader VS. Glavier, STR-Heavy Bowmen

Pros:
Significantly more tanking ability – higher defense.
Saves money - Uses less pots due to it’s higher defense – this mostly applies to monsters, or players that use Physical Attacks. The difference in damage that a Blader and a Glavier, or Bowmen will take from a monster that uses a Magical Attack, like, say, an Earth Taoist, will not be as noticeable as the difference in damage that the two take from a Power Earth Ghost.
Has KD’s that knockdown the enemy, and unable them to attack for the time being – whereas the Blader can repeatedly stab the enemy while it’s down.
Has a Shield, which further increases defense, as well as blocking attacks – a block may be the deciding factor in a PvP battle between having the time to pot through a Critical from a Glavier, or Bowmen, or lying on the ground dead.

Cons:
Significantly less damage than a Glavier or Bowman – both with regular attacks, and Criticals.
Does not have a Stun ability (pertaining specifically to a Glavier). The Stun ability, on top of immobilizing the enemy, does not allow the enemy to use pots during the Stun. The Stun also cannot be potted away.
Because of the less damage, a Blader also levels slower than a Glavier both. Bowmen level faster than Glaviers, and Glaviers level faster than Blader. (Typo pointed out by Kevv. Thanks!)


Blader VS. Spears, S/S, INT-Heavy Hybrids

Pros:
An insane amount of more tanking ability – higher PHYSICAL defense.
Massive HP, when compared to a Pure INT, or INT-Heavy Hybrid.
Saves money - Uses less pots due to it’s higher defense – this mostly applies to monsters, or players that use Physical Attacks. The difference in damage that a Blader and a Glavier will take from a monster that uses a Magical Attack, like, say, an Earth Taoist, will not be as noticeable as the difference in damage that the two take from a Power Earth Ghost.
Has KD’s that knockdown the enemy, and unable them to attack for the time being – whereas the Blader can repeatedly stab the enemy while it’s down.
Has a Shield, which further increases defense, as well as blocking attacks – a block may be the deciding factor in a PvP battle between having the time to pot through a Critical from a Glavier, or lying on the ground dead.

Cons:
Has an immense amount of difference in MP – a INT-Heavy build will always have much more MP than a Blader.
INT-based builds will always have more Magical Defense than a Blader.
Spears, S/S, or a Hybrid, will always do significantly more damage than a Blader. The average damage from an INT build from a Nuke, will be higher than the average damage from a STR build, from a weapon skill. Yet, the Critical of a STR build will always do more damage than the Critical of an INT build – keep in mind that Nukes do not Critical. Either way, any PLAUSIBLE build in the game will almost certainly, always outdamage a Blader.
Much slower leveling speed. While INT builds are the top of the spectrum, in the aspect of leveling speed, a Blader is at the bottom.

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:45 am
by Pawnage
bow ftw!
range, decent dmg, 70+ skills :love:

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:20 pm
by glavie
Blade stands the best chance of surviving a rogue/wizard/cleric offering because of the shield. A block is the difference between life and death.
Also bladders have a 50% chance of knockdown where the stun is something like 30% chance from glavie.

Against chinese characters a glavier has a good chance of being able to kill all builds, or be killed by all builds.
A bladder has a much harder time killing/ being killed.

Glavier is generally considered a more rounded character. Good tanking and good damage dealing, blade is all about the tanking/immobilizing the enemy, killing is secondary.