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Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:36 pm
by Dancin
Is it worth to activate the imbue during grinding if you are a str char compared to the amount of mp it costs?

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:54 pm
by Devilman
Dancin wrote:Is it worth to activate the imbue during grinding if you are a str char compared to the amount of mp it costs?

lolwut? :D ofc it's worth it... have u tried fighting with and without your imbue? it multiplies your damage many times. Example, with imbue a monster goes down in 2 hits, without imbue it goes down in 8. Now you tell me, is it worth it?

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:00 pm
by Dancin
well on my low lvl str char the damage is maybe 30% higher I don't know whether the imbue damage plays a bigger role on higher levels

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:46 pm
by Devilman
Dancin wrote:well on my low lvl str char the damage is maybe 30% higher I don't know whether the imbue damage plays a bigger role on higher levels

Definitely, the imbue is just a must for all builds.

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:04 am
by very intelligent
Devilman wrote:
Dancin wrote:Is it worth to activate the imbue during grinding if you are a str char compared to the amount of mp it costs?

lolwut? :D ofc it's worth it... have u tried fighting with and without your imbue? it multiplies your damage many times. Example, with imbue a monster goes down in 2 hits, without imbue it goes down in 8. Now you tell me, is it worth it?


wut? so your saying that without imbue you need 8 hits and with imbue 2 hits? Didn't know there were so retarded ppl in SRF. And yea use the imbue, it helps your dmg quite abit it adds 25-30% to your dmg.

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:47 am
by Devilman
very intelligent wrote:
Devilman wrote:
Dancin wrote:Is it worth to activate the imbue during grinding if you are a str char compared to the amount of mp it costs?

lolwut? :D ofc it's worth it... have u tried fighting with and without your imbue? it multiplies your damage many times. Example, with imbue a monster goes down in 2 hits, without imbue it goes down in 8. Now you tell me, is it worth it?


wut? so your saying that without imbue you need 8 hits and with imbue 2 hits? Didn't know there were so retarded ppl in SRF. And yea use the imbue, it helps your dmg quite abit it adds 25-30% to your dmg.

That was an EXAMPLE! There are theoretical values, i never tried how many hits it will take to kill a mob with and without imbue. Learn to read. :banghead:

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:52 am
by very intelligent
Devilman wrote:
very intelligent wrote:
Devilman wrote:lolwut? :D ofc it's worth it... have u tried fighting with and without your imbue? it multiplies your damage many times. Example, with imbue a monster goes down in 2 hits, without imbue it goes down in 8. Now you tell me, is it worth it?


wut? so your saying that without imbue you need 8 hits and with imbue 2 hits? Didn't know there were so retarded ppl in SRF. And yea use the imbue, it helps your dmg quite abit it adds 25-30% to your dmg.

That was an EXAMPLE! There are theoretical values, i never tried how many hits it will take to kill a mob with and without imbue. Learn to read. :banghead:


you learn to read, it doesnt multiply dmg at all, it just adds some dmg and your exaggerating the imbue effect, saying that it multiplies damage many times. Wow what a retard.

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:03 am
by Devilman
very intelligent wrote:you learn to read, it doesnt multiply dmg at all, it just adds some dmg and your exaggerating the imbue effect, saying that it multiplies damage many times. Wow what a retard.

Idk if it multiplies or adds damage, the point is it makes your damage greater. I'm exaggerating to show my point that it's important to have and use your imbue.

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:08 am
by Fimero
for a str char the imbue isnt much of a difference on damage
my maxed fire compared to lvl 1 ice imbue was like 1k-1.5k dmg difference
i would get ice lvl 1 and just use that for the frostbite

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:26 am
by Devilman
Fimero wrote:for a str char the imbue isnt much of a difference on damage
my maxed fire compared to lvl 1 ice imbue was like 1k-1.5k dmg difference
i would get ice lvl 1 and just use that for the frostbite

1.5k damage difference but every single hit. If you hit 10 times that makes a 15k difference which is a lot IMO.

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:31 am
by Dancin
Fimero wrote:for a str char the imbue isnt much of a difference on damage
my maxed fire compared to lvl 1 ice imbue was like 1k-1.5k dmg difference
i would get ice lvl 1 and just use that for the frostbite


That would be nice. as a str char if you level only your weapon mastery you can reach the level cap faster than an int because the int would need 3 masteries

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:11 am
by Devilman
Dancin wrote:
Fimero wrote:for a str char the imbue isnt much of a difference on damage
my maxed fire compared to lvl 1 ice imbue was like 1k-1.5k dmg difference
i would get ice lvl 1 and just use that for the frostbite


That would be nice. as a str char if you level only your weapon mastery you can reach the level cap faster than an int because the int would need 3 masteries

That would not be a good thing to do. Only one mastery leaves you without any buffs and imbue. So u'r pretty much screwed in pvp plus you will level insanely slow.
Edit: an int would still reach the cap faster than you. Because of nukes and fast leveling.

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:20 am
by -.-
you could just level weapon+lighting for leveling. It's easiest way to cap without sp farming, the damage isnt that different from ice,light,fire imbues so go with light for the speed. you could get like 30 fire for damage, but fire isnt really so helpful if you spend more time running to mob as you do just using 1 more skill to kill. also lion shout is good for luring as well

but if you're talking pot efficiency, leveling only light with weapon means you use more pots since you have to get hit more often and use more mp because you hit less than a ff char that levels with max skills

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:49 am
by Crowley
It's because of people like 'very intelligent' that SRF is slowly dying.

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:33 am
by Fimero
Devilman wrote:
Fimero wrote:for a str char the imbue isnt much of a difference on damage
my maxed fire compared to lvl 1 ice imbue was like 1k-1.5k dmg difference
i would get ice lvl 1 and just use that for the frostbite

1.5k damage difference but every single hit. If you hit 10 times that makes a 15k difference which is a lot IMO.

yea if your are fighting gaints that makes a difference
the way i did it if i could kill the monster in the same amount of skills as i would with my higher imbue would use it
its not like your stuck with just using 1 imbue
you can do one and then the other

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:35 am
by Fimero
Tsume wrote:It's because of people like 'very intelligent' that SRF is slowly dying.

+10

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:37 am
by Fimero
Dancin wrote:
Fimero wrote:for a str char the imbue isnt much of a difference on damage
my maxed fire compared to lvl 1 ice imbue was like 1k-1.5k dmg difference
i would get ice lvl 1 and just use that for the frostbite


That would be nice. as a str char if you level only your weapon mastery you can reach the level cap faster than an int because the int would need 3 masteries

you dont only get imbues from trees
theres a lot more
but you can save a lot of sp and money by using a lower imbue
i had my fire imbue maxed and ice imbue lvl 1

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:43 am
by very intelligent
Tsume wrote:It's because of people like 'very intelligent' that SRF is slowly dying.


ppls like you should make a suicide.

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:43 pm
by XMoshe
He might not always have the best reply's, but from what I saw 'very intelligent' knows more about sro than the average SRF'er.

OT: Use your imbue, it has not that big of an dmg increase but every thing helps and it is worth the mp usage. Also the status it gives to the monsters are nice (atleast, when you fight giants or pt mobs because general mobs die too fast haha)

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:51 pm
by aishsharma
you can use a low lvl imbue too just to save mp as dmg diff for a pure str char is pretty low tbh

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:08 pm
by spoonyG
actually it does multiply damage

Code: Select all

<?php
// this assumes you have a weapon with an attack rating of 225-350 with a CRIT 20 (33%)

$hitDamage = range(225,350); // your weapons base damage range (255-350)
$hitDamage = $hitDamage[array_rand($hitDamage)]; // select base damage at random
$imbueDamage = range(0,35); // the range of percentage of the imbue increase (0%-35%)
$imbueDamage= $imbueDamage[array_rand($imbueDamage)]; // select imbue damage at random
$imbueDamage = ".".$imbueDamage; // make imbue damage a decimal
$imbueDamage = round($hitDamage*$imbueDamage); // MULTIPLY the base by the imbue damage
$crit = 20; // your CRIT stat (% of CRIT happening)
$critDamage = range(0,33); // the percentage of CRIT bonus
$critDamage = $critDamage[array_rand($critDamage)];
$critDamage = ".".$critDamage; // make imbue damage a decimal
$critDamage = round($hitDamage*$critDamage);

  if(rand(0,100) <= $crit){
    echo "CRIT! (crit = $critDamage, base = $hitDamage, imbue = $imbueDamage)";
    $hitDamage = (($hitDamage+$imbueDamage)*2)+$critDamage;
   echo " - crit adjusted damage = ".$hitDamage;
  }else{
    echo "NO CRIT! (crit = $critDamage, base = $hitDamage, imbue = $imbueDamage)";
    $hitDamage = $hitDamage+$imbueDamage;
   echo " - imbue only adjusted damage = ".$hitDamage;
  } 

// this assumes that getting a CRIT doubles the base damage + imbue damage and THEN adds the CRIT damage
// this does not take in to account reinforce values
?>


It's all a percentage based so it has to find the percentage of damage to add to the base damage so you either have to multiply or divide to get this. Since getting a crit multiplies, there's no reason to believe that imbue damage is not calculated based on multiplication as well.

Any way, yes imbues are good for grinding. Add in splash damage and status changes and the benefit is even better.

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:24 pm
by Achilles990
Tsume wrote:It's because of people like 'very intelligent' that SRF is slowly dying.


lolwut?

It is worth it!!

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:12 pm
by Fimero
aishsharma wrote:you can use a low lvl imbue too just to save mp as dmg diff for a pure str char is pretty low tbh

yeaa!!!

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:18 pm
by Dancin
spoonyG wrote:actually it does multiply damage

Code: Select all

<?php
// this assumes you have a weapon with an attack rating of 225-350 with a CRIT 20 (33%)

$hitDamage = range(225,350); // your weapons base damage range (255-350)
$hitDamage = $hitDamage[array_rand($hitDamage)]; // select base damage at random
$imbueDamage = range(0,35); // the range of percentage of the imbue increase (0%-35%)
$imbueDamage= $imbueDamage[array_rand($imbueDamage)]; // select imbue damage at random
$imbueDamage = ".".$imbueDamage; // make imbue damage a decimal
$imbueDamage = round($hitDamage*$imbueDamage); // MULTIPLY the base by the imbue damage
$crit = 20; // your CRIT stat (% of CRIT happening)
$critDamage = range(0,33); // the percentage of CRIT bonus
$critDamage = $critDamage[array_rand($critDamage)];
$critDamage = ".".$critDamage; // make imbue damage a decimal
$critDamage = round($hitDamage*$critDamage);

  if(rand(0,100) <= $crit){
    echo "CRIT! (crit = $critDamage, base = $hitDamage, imbue = $imbueDamage)";
    $hitDamage = (($hitDamage+$imbueDamage)*2)+$critDamage;
   echo " - crit adjusted damage = ".$hitDamage;
  }else{
    echo "NO CRIT! (crit = $critDamage, base = $hitDamage, imbue = $imbueDamage)";
    $hitDamage = $hitDamage+$imbueDamage;
   echo " - imbue only adjusted damage = ".$hitDamage;
  } 

// this assumes that getting a CRIT doubles the base damage + imbue damage and THEN adds the CRIT damage
// this does not take in to account reinforce values
?>


It's all a percentage based so it has to find the percentage of damage to add to the base damage so you either have to multiply or divide to get this. Since getting a crit multiplies, there's no reason to believe that imbue damage is not calculated based on multiplication as well.

Any way, yes imbues are good for grinding. Add in splash damage and status changes and the benefit is even better.


wth is shit damage?

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:13 am
by Crowley
XMoshe wrote:He might not always have the best reply's, but from what I saw 'very intelligent' knows more about sro than the average SRF'er.


very intelligent wrote:ppls like you should make a suicide.


Nope, he really doesn't.

Re: Is it worth to activate the imbue during grining if you a...

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:00 am
by Fimero
Tsume wrote:
XMoshe wrote:He might not always have the best reply's, but from what I saw 'very intelligent' knows more about sro than the average SRF'er.


very intelligent wrote:ppls like you should make a suicide.


Nope, he really doesn't.

xD