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and what build would be the best for both blader and bower thanks

Blader no doubt.

Anyways there's a lot of guides in the guide section for both classes.

i have looked a million times i cant find a good blader guide

well what are you looking for in a guide. or what do you want to know about a blader

like what force skills to get for a blader and what what good attack skills i would need instead of wasting sp

well the only reason you would be getting force is for the debuffs or res. you can look at other guides that use force like a bow guide or somthing. as for blade skills im not too sure but im sure theres a guide to get you started. your not really wasting sp at low lvls for a skill you dont need.

Fena 'n Manowar's blader guide is pretty good....
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it's for the 80 cap, but nothing's really changed dramatically to alter what they put down...basically earlier steps...you're just updating the skills upon it. (they have the force tree added, too)

ok. who uses his built better wins but the odds go to blader. if its a blader cold fire he gonna own they damge good rly great def =) so i would say blader but still number 1 is who uses his built better =)

so in pvp a blader with lvl 80 light would win over a force lvl 80 for 100 gap

Wouldn't really say yes....

Force you have your debuffs, you status removers, your resses, and your heals ....light ...you get speed, a magical dmg increaser (being str really doesn't do much), a higher parry ratio, and phantom ....I'd say force > light for strs.

u have to have lvl 100 force though if you are going to use it
otherwise debuffs won't work

Who would win blader vs bower? Well it dificult to say. Maybe there isnt a good answer. Me, I prefer bowers
Force its a good choice for full str chars, and very good for bladers imo because you can debuff with force nukes and bicheon chains, so it very difficult to deleted all the status with pills.
And you can use force nukes since 30 more or less (decrease parry ratio) but the real good status like division need a high level in force mastery

yes a light would beat a force....

if you choose force build its like.... 100 bich 100 force and 80fire 20 cold...

if you want a fire blader (as commonly called)

100bich 100 fire 80 light 20 cold. (you can change cold and light around a bit and have 30cold 70 light or ever 40 cold 60 light.)

bich - get all.
fire - get all but nuke (and firewall to save sp...at least get level 1)
light - grass walk passive concentration and mag damage increase.. i think thats it....
cold - def buff... passive...snowshield...icewall(level 1) and possibly the ice punch..

thanks all ima go for 80 light

hmm Go Ice Fire Blader i watched them pvp u got more than 300 more phy def snow sheild 45% ur gonna own then trust me and cold imbur very useful vs cold light nukers

penfold1992 wrote:yes a light would beat a force....

if you choose force build its like.... 100 bich 100 force and 80fire 20 cold...

if you want a fire blader (as commonly called)

100bich 100 fire 80 light 20 cold. (you can change cold and light around a bit and have 30cold 70 light or ever 40 cold 60 light.)

bich - get all.
fire - get all but nuke (and firewall to save sp...at least get level 1)
light - grass walk passive concentration and mag damage increase.. i think thats it....
cold - def buff... passive...snowshield...icewall(level 1) and possibly the ice punch..

So? Whats the problem?
Force > Light for STR.

blader/ fire / cold

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