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I have a level 26 wizard without a sub class. i am considering a bard or cleric. which sub-class should i get?
i want a wiz that won't die that easily.
if there's any other sub-class that is good with wizard pls post it here.
thx in advance

So with cleric you can wear light armor or robe you can put on yourself recovery divison and bless which is rly nice but problem is that you are slow if you dont buy speed drugs this build is better for pvp thats what i think but with bard you gain speed and noise with noise monsters dont attack you (normal) giants and champions can still attack you you dont need to buy speed drugs but char is weaker at pvp 1on1 its good for 8 party. i have myself lv 95 wiz/bard now i suck in pvp 1on1 i die everytime if i dont 1hit him.

I've seen the link and i still can't decide. I am a soloist who sledom accepts any part invitation but i still pvp with my friends every week. However, i keep dying when grinding and its very troublesome. so which should i get?? bard or cleric??

Yeah I didn't even have to put that link on there I was just about to do that too ^^
I feel like a special noob.....
But other than that... I think bard is the best choice cause the speed buffs and mana cycle could help you both money wise and leveling wise.

Money- No speed pots
Leveling - Faster movement means it doesn't take long to get away from a sticky situation and you can get to where you are going faster. Mana cycle you don't have to keep recharging your mana after every few kills just switch weapons and use that spell.

Andrei wrote:So with cleric you can wear light armor or robe you can put on yourself recovery divison and bless which is rly nice but problem is that you are slow if you dont buy speed drugs this build is better for pvp thats what i think but with bard you gain speed and noise with noise monsters dont attack you (normal) giants and champions can still attack you you dont need to buy speed drugs but char is weaker at pvp 1on1 its good for 8 party. i have myself lv 95 wiz/bard now i suck in pvp 1on1 i die everytime if i dont 1hit him.

Why would you want to wear light armor less speed what if he has to run away cause he is low on MP (cough) bard (cough) The blessings go away once you change weapons anyways... Unless they have changed it from when I last looked at this other forum. A wizard/bard can still fight a boss, use your wolfy to tank then destroy him... Or if you went further into bard skills then I want to you can freeze him with bard attacks then switch over to wizard for a stronger attack.

The sp is so much better if you go bard btw i think it is a 250-325k difference when you include all the blessings.

ps. there arent enough bards ou there you should go bard!!!!

edit: i love how nobody has chosen warlock

wiz isn't a 1 v 1 pvp character.... its a group based pvp character.

go with bard. you don't need cleric cause somebody else can cast bless (the buffer in the party) and with bard you'll be able to cast swing march and noise for grinding.

The wiz/bard generally from what I have read sucks up the least sp and is the cheapest... Also if you are getting the wiz aoes and you are worried that it might not 1 hi them you can always just switch to bard and use on of their insta cast aoes to finish them off. Makes the game alittle less boring with more excitement ^^

ps. bahahaha nobody has chosen warlock

Wizzard / Cleric = own in pvp nice in exp too but u need a lot of money ^^ Nice set .. and Drug Pots.. 24 h bot = 48 Drugs , if u buy 50% speed incrase from grocery:


50% speed incrase . . 25 30 min Jan to B4 ( with nice script )

1 Drugs = 91.000 _ _ _ 91 x 48 = 4.368.000 gold per day
4.368.000 x 30 = 131.040.000 mil per month

100% speed incrase max 20 min Jan to B4

1 Drugs = 258.000 _ _ _ 258.000 x 48 12.348.000 gold per day
12.348.000 x 30 = 370.440.000 mil per month

With wizzard cleric, if u got wizzard / bard u have speed 100% but still 1 hit in pvp. ^^
In new cave wizzard / bard have a lot of problem. Half of monster put Status like Decay , Mana Drain , Weaken exc.
With wizzard / Cleric u got Holy spell

urlick wrote:Wizzard / Cleric = own in pvp nice in exp too but u need a lot of money ^^ Nice set .. and Drug Pots.. 24 h bot = 48 Drugs , if u buy 50% speed incrase from grocery:


50% speed incrase . . 25 30 min Jan to B4 ( with nice script )

1 Drugs = 91.000 _ _ _ 91 x 48 = 4.368.000 gold per day
4.368.000 x 30 = 131.040.000 mil per month

100% speed incrase max 20 min Jan to B4

1 Drugs = 258.000 _ _ _ 258.000 x 48 12.348.000 gold per day
12.348.000 x 30 = 370.440.000 mil per month

With wizzard cleric, if u got wizzard / bard u have speed 100% but still 1 hit in pvp. ^^

You are willing to trade 370.440.000 mil per month just for some speed a bard can get easier? And I've never seen a wizard/cleric 1 hit in pvp... Not any wizard I've seen 1 hit unless the other person is lower than them...

ps. group pvp is so much better with a bard cause their buffs surpass clerics tremndously!!!!

pss. did someone just put warlock cause i said something about it?

smizzlete wrote:

urlick wrote:Wizzard / Cleric = own in pvp nice in exp too but u need a lot of money ^^ Nice set .. and Drug Pots.. 24 h bot = 48 Drugs , if u buy 50% speed incrase from grocery:


50% speed incrase . . 25 30 min Jan to B4 ( with nice script )

1 Drugs = 91.000 _ _ _ 91 x 48 = 4.368.000 gold per day
4.368.000 x 30 = 131.040.000 mil per month

100% speed incrase max 20 min Jan to B4

1 Drugs = 258.000 _ _ _ 258.000 x 48 12.348.000 gold per day
12.348.000 x 30 = 370.440.000 mil per month

With wizzard cleric, if u got wizzard / bard u have speed 100% but still 1 hit in pvp. ^^

You are willing to trade 370.440.000 mil per month just for some speed a bard can get easier? And I've never seen a wizard/cleric 1 hit in pvp... Not any wizard I've seen 1 hit unless the other person is lower than them...

ps. group pvp is so much better with a bard cause their buffs surpass clerics tremndously!!!!

pss. did someone just put warlock cause i said something about it?

1 wizzard can 1hit ^^ anyway with wizzard cleric u got bless in pvp and u can active Healing Cycle during pvp , with nice set LightArmor u can be onehitted just with a critical. vs a Glavie for example , with Earth Fence & healing Cycle u win , with a wizzard / bard still 1 hit.
I hate Nyu but this is a example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw_-1jXT_ww

urlick wrote:

smizzlete wrote:

urlick wrote:Wizzard / Cleric = own in pvp nice in exp too but u need a lot of money ^^ Nice set .. and Drug Pots.. 24 h bot = 48 Drugs , if u buy 50% speed incrase from grocery:


50% speed incrase . . 25 30 min Jan to B4 ( with nice script )

1 Drugs = 91.000 _ _ _ 91 x 48 = 4.368.000 gold per day
4.368.000 x 30 = 131.040.000 mil per month

100% speed incrase max 20 min Jan to B4

1 Drugs = 258.000 _ _ _ 258.000 x 48 12.348.000 gold per day
12.348.000 x 30 = 370.440.000 mil per month

With wizzard cleric, if u got wizzard / bard u have speed 100% but still 1 hit in pvp. ^^

You are willing to trade 370.440.000 mil per month just for some speed a bard can get easier? And I've never seen a wizard/cleric 1 hit in pvp... Not any wizard I've seen 1 hit unless the other person is lower than them...

ps. group pvp is so much better with a bard cause their buffs surpass clerics tremndously!!!!

pss. did someone just put warlock cause i said something about it?

1 wizzard can 1hit ^^ anyway with wizzard cleric u got bless in pvp and u can active Healing Cycle during pvp , with nice set LightArmor u can be onehitted just with a critical. vs a Glavie for example , with Earth Fence & healing Cycle u win , with a wizzard / bard still 1 hit.
I hate Nyu but this is a example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw_-1jXT_ww

PS: Wizzard bard is useless in job, with a cleric u can put Bless Spell and RD , and u can ress with iMoolation or Group Revers .. with bard .. what can you do? nothing ! ^^ and you must always stay near to the cleric, cuz w/o RD and Healing Orbit ...
I leave to your imagination ^_^

Sry for double post .. wrong click T_T

Not everybody wants to even be in a job anyways... And with LA your magic is a little more limited so you have to wait for that to restore... If you really did 1 hit everything why not just go robe?

smizzlete wrote:Not everybody wants to even be in a job anyways... And with LA your magic is a little more limited so you have to wait for that to restore... If you really did 1 hit everything why not just go robe?

Simple , cuz with LightArmor u got Passive defence of Cleric ^^ and when u are blessed got str 12 & int 12 incrase = With Cleric Road and Shield , active Phy & Mag clerci buff + passive Phy and Mag u got low low low low dmg , good if you have to make the cleric.

With Robe Just 20% mana and Hp i think .. lose Phy & Mag passive . Wizzard full int already has a high magic defense but rly low Phy def , with lightarmor you lose 200 points of magic defense, but gains 200 of phy.

I don't under stand why a bard cant wear light armor cause a cleric is a buffer and a bard is under buffer...
Still you didn't answer my question why not use a robe instead of LA cause you just 1 hit everything you don't need def unless your fighting bosses...

So, with cleric u will be able to fight mobs that have a higher lvl than u and survive?

Cleric.

You can tank + Heal. only answer any sane person would need.

Bard is for simply unique hunting, or saving a hella load of SP.

"If you go cleric you are going to spend your whole time trying to figure out a way to tank when its just not possible."

A quote from someone that said this on a different topic... (same topic just dif argument)

I think the whole thing about w/c is better than w/b at pvp is just crap... You are still gonna get owned either way by some higher lvl that is being a butt or your just gonna keep getting killed even with LA.. (i still don't get why a bard cant wear LA....)

And who put that warlock there?


edit: Wiz/bard vid FTW! (sorry i dont know how to embed )

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sincool wrote:I have a level 26 wizard without a sub class. i am considering a bard or cleric. which sub-class should i get?
i want a wiz that won't die that easily.
if there's any other sub-class that is good with wizard pls post it here.
thx in advance

You want a wiz that can take a little damage? Cleric is your best choice then. I've seen wizzies with bless spell and recovery division take on the whole other team in ctf...and win too! On the other hand, wizards aren't made to tank, so either just go bard to maximize your effectiveness, or start over with a chinese s/s nuker.

Vert3x wrote:

sincool wrote:I have a level 26 wizard without a sub class. i am considering a bard or cleric. which sub-class should i get?
i want a wiz that won't die that easily.
if there's any other sub-class that is good with wizard pls post it here.
thx in advance

You want a wiz that can take a little damage? Cleric is your best choice then. I've seen wizzies with bless spell and recovery division take on the whole other team in ctf...and win too! On the other hand, wizards aren't made to tank, so either just go bard to maximize your effectiveness, or start over with a chinese s/s nuker.

Wow that quote was way up there... And how much is a little more damage are you willing to trade that for the use of mp pots and speed pots? Yes you have LA but your mp goes down, on ctf that was the only video i watched of that and i was amazed that a wiz/bard could do that i was told that a wiz/bard was useless in a cave so i just had to put that up there...

DONT BE ANOTHER NUKER!!!! There are to many of them... If you want high survivability and effectiveness go with wiz-100/cleric-60/bard-40 You don't have as much healing as as a pure pure cleric and you dont have as much speed but you are still a good hybrid...

But I would still suggest go wiz/bard unless you wanna go hybrid cause I don't think there are very many of them at least not on youtube...

I have been a wiz/cleric and I really enjoyed it, I had more survivability then many other wiz I had seen as I could RD or HC myself and have bless every 2 mins. I also think with cleric you get Offering which is one of the best skills I have seen. It can easily take out 2-3 people if they are close enough (but you need at least 95% of your hp) Also if your in a party and your cleric screws up and your entire team dies you can ress which is very helpful and saves a trip of going to town and coming back to grinding spot.

Ownage wrote:I have been a wiz/cleric and I really enjoyed it, I had more survivability then many other wiz I had seen as I could RD or HC myself and have bless every 2 mins. I also think with cleric you get Offering which is one of the best skills I have seen. It can easily take out 2-3 people if they are close enough (but you need at least 95% of your hp) Also if your in a party and your cleric screws up and your entire team dies you can ress which is very helpful and saves a trip of going to town and coming back to grinding spot.

Did you look at my videos? I think wiz/bard has just fine survivabilities... And why waste sp on another skill when a wizard already has so many aoes?

ps. I will embed the videos now that i know how when i get done with this post