Which bow is better?

[One_of_many_thoughts]

I've been playing silkroad for almost 4 years now and haven't made it past lvl 35. This is because I can't decide what type of character I like (based on pvp, pve, etc.). Finally, however, I've got it narrowed down to two different types, Chinese full str bowman and European full str rogue. I like both of these and now I can't decide which one I want to use.

I love that the rogue can go stealth and can make monster mask's and the other things it can do like that. I also like that it can deal a great amount of damage. The thing is, it's greatest potential is in it's daggers, while I on the other hand, tend to use the xbow(crossbow) the most or all the time, basically waisting gold on daggers. I also like that as a Euro, I don't need a lot of buff's to do the most damage, so I won't be recasting skill after skill if I died.

I love the bowman because of it's Chinese buffs and the fact that it can attack faster than the xbow. Also, because of it's buffs, the bowman can be godly in pvp/capture the flag, which is what i plan to do the most. I also like that there is no pot delay on Chinese characters and the fact that with lightning, i can run faster whenever I want.

Now on to the negatives.

On the rogue, as I said earlier, it does the most damage and is mainly built for the use of daggers, which have no range at all(I often find myself chasing monsters cause they wont stop walking away). I gravitate towards the xbox, and 9 times out of 10, I use it over daggers. The rogue, however, fire there bolts slowly, making them fairly vulnerable big pvp areas. Also, Euro characters have a 15 sec. pot delay, which could be the difference between life and death in both pvp/capture the flag and pve, and the only way to counter is to sub class in cleric, but the problem with that is the buffs from the cleric that are important tend to not last long, and if I die then I have to change weapons to redue the buffs. Lastly, the rouge can only wear light armor(not counting sub classes), as opposed to Chinese being able to switch freely based on the situation. This strict armor class can leave you vulnerable due to the rogue buffs extreme crossbow and desperate dagger, which are the buffs that literally make you or break you due to the fact that they give the rogue it's great amount of damage at the cost of def. and hp.

On the bowman, I don't really like that you have to cast so many buffs to be effective, especially the imbues which only last 5-8 sec. and cost a good bit of mp. Although, I don't have to change weapons to cast my buffs, saving me time as far as getting them cast, they can still be a pain. Another thing I've noticed is the fact that bowmen go through arrows faster than rogues go through bolts, which paired with going through more pots, can really start to drain your gold. Also, bowmen don't have the unique abilities rogues have like stealth and monster mask (obviously) which would be missed and may even be used against me....I can't really think of anything else negative to say about the bowman.....

Given the above information about what I like and don't like, please tell me which you think is better, or give me tips for one or the other.

Thx in advance!!!

P.S. if you could give me some advice about jobbing for the different characters, that would be greatly appreciated. Thx again.

[lukefleming1]

I think for you rogue would be a better choice,
the thing is the cons you listed for rogue can be easily dealt with,
You said that rogues fire bolt slowly and this makes them vulnerable in large group pvp i assume you mean like ctf, the reason that rogue fire bolt so slow is because they do much more damage per shot than a chinese bowman, additionally the rogue has a much better range
I had a lvl 40 rogue and in ctf i have taken an entire team out by myself buffing myself with recovery division, and xbow extreme and then one shotting or two shotting each member of the opposing team,
a chinese bowman can not simply post enough damage to kill an entire team, however they can survive better than rogue with xtreme on, therefore, for this build to work for you i strongly suggest a cleric sub for healing spells, you said u don't like switching weapons for buff, the only buff u will need with cleric sub is recovery division and bless spell, recovery division lasts five minutes so that is just one buff every five mins. bless spell will also save your but when soloing a pt mob or giant

also about rogues only being able to where light armor, 99% of people do not carry around 2 or more protector sets at high lvls because u can't afford it, therefore, a chinese bowman will either be stuck just like you in a mix of protector and armor or all garmet,also, light armor is balenced and if slightly plussed like +1 or +2 will be better than either garmet in mag def or armor in phy def

and as u said b4 rogue has unique abilities that chinese bowman don't

hope this helps

[Puma60]

Imo Chinese Bower is more fun. Also (I think) it will be alot stronger in 10D.

[MasterKojito]

Imo Chinese Bower is more fun. Also (I think) it will be alot stronger in 10D.

I enjoyed playing my rouge over my archer. If by stronger you mean higher hits, rouges are better.

[Fauntleroy]

I like chinese bower more than rogue.

[Bobby]

Both are good and fun. Chinese bow seems to be better in 10D tho. And about rogues having to wear light armor, well..light armor is just pretty much awesome lol especially if ur going cleric sub.

[Diaty]

I prefer my Chin Bow. I gave up on my lvl 78 Euro Xbow because I kept dying (probably cause of 8 gap and using xtreme, totaly not a good idea against PT mobs >_<.) I also think that Chinese bow could kill Euro Xbow with no problem at this cap and even the next.

[Limpy]

I'd personally choose a chinese bow...

At least that way you can take 10 hits without having to worry that you used your ONE pot in 15 seconds. You'll level faster with a rogue though since you have longer range. But, you'd die less (assuming you aren't being ong farmed and playing the game the traditional way).

Also, if you're going to go chin bow, add force...force bows are powerful after they get the major debuffs (sadly the best debuff is at lvl 90, division lvl 9).

[One_of_many_thoughts]

Ok, the bowman definatly doesn't do a lot of damage compared to my rogue (at least not at lvl 22-24). However I have died more with the rogue. the question I'm asking now is, should I just stick it out with my rogue because of recovery division or should is it worth it with the bowman? And if you say bowman, it cost a good bit of gold to keep them going, so is it worth it to stick it out with the bowman for someone like me who doesn't come into much gold?

[-.-]

bow is pretty strong, about 80% of xbow damage with buff on and without buff they are fairly even (bow might be a bit higher on damage actually)

reason xbow seems better than bow early is because the bow needs high lvl for better skills, 73 for kb (30 on xbow) and strong bow/explosive 350% at like lv 80+

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

with the crit skills, knock back and strong bow,
Chinese bowers might be as versatile as Rogues at 100 cap,
not by damage, but by how their survivability and agility(if 100 light.) make up for the damage they cannot deal compared to the xbowers long range skills, invisible and cleric subs

Bow is more fun than rogue at big pvps, but rogue lvls faster

[One_of_many_thoughts]

with the crit skills, knock back and strong bow,
Chinese bowers might be as versatile as Rogues at 100 cap,
not by damage, but by how their survivability and agility(if 100 light.) make up for the damage they cannot deal compared to the xbowers long range skills, invisible and cleric subs

Bow is more fun than rogue at big pvps, but rogue lvls faster

I didn't know that bowmen had knock back skills, what other bad status skills do they have? And Bowmen being more fun is an opinion, and I think a Rogue/Cleric can be just as much fun in big pvp areas especially since you can go invisible and pick out some random noob and they'll never see you coming

[Kirkaldi]

Reading your negatives, I think bow is better for you.

[kirby451]

anyone who said rogue is a dumbass because 9/10 time if the bow was smart and they had pretty much even gears the bow will turn the rogue into a pincushion by the time the rogue gets the bows crystal wall down the bow will have turned the rogue into a pincushion and as a full str bow at relatively good levels 50+ the crits from the bow will be able to almost 3 shot the rogue and 1 shot if he has xtreme on

[One_of_many_thoughts]

anyone who said rogue is a dumbass because 9/10 time if the bow was smart and they had pretty much even gears the bow will turn the rogue into a pincushion by the time the rogue gets the bows crystal wall down the bow will have turned the rogue into a pincushion and as a full str bow at relatively good levels 50+ the crits from the bow will be able to almost 3 shot the rogue and 1 shot if he has xtreme on

It will only 3 shot it with extreme on at lvl 39- and 40+ the rogue will, if cleric subbed, be equal to a full str bowman as far as surviveability without extreme on. You don't leave EX or DD on all the time unless ur a dumbass who doesn't know what there doing, in fact, most times, u shouldn't even use EX or DD because that leaves u open for others to but in and kill u like there do wizards. The only reason you'd leave EX or DD on is for PvE.

[One_of_many_thoughts]

Hey guys, there's another stipulation I have to add, I don't know/have the ability to get a lot of gold very easily, and the bowman will require a lot more than a rogue. With that in mind what do u say now? I'm trying a bowman out right now just to give it a chance, idk, maybe it's decent damage and gold consumption will balance out. One thing is for sure, I can't go spending 100k every 30 min on potts!

[kirby451]

well considering you can get free plvl all the way to 90 from me and my friends then you dont have to worry about gold unless your a dumbass and a slightly well built bow can one hit a rogue with Xtreme on unless the rogue has nice ass armor on sorry but i have been to wa higher levels than you and i know more than you

[One_of_many_thoughts]

well considering I don't talk to any of them and your never on because there on and I'd still have to use money at lvl 90 it doesn't matter if I'm plvled or not. Also the bowman could only one shot a rogue with the anti-devil bow skill and that's only if it hits a crit and while they may hit them more than euros they still don't hit them very often, and it would take a nicely built bow not a slightly good one.

[Bobby]

anyone who said rogue is a dumbass because 9/10 time if the bow was smart and they had pretty much even gears the bow will turn the rogue into a pincushion by the time the rogue gets the bows crystal wall down the bow will have turned the rogue into a pincushion and as a full str bow at relatively good levels 50+ the crits from the bow will be able to almost 3 shot the rogue and 1 shot if he has xtreme on

It will only 3 shot it with extreme on at lvl 39- and 40+ the rogue will, if cleric subbed, be equal to a full str bowman as far as surviveability without extreme on. You don't leave EX or DD on all the time unless ur a dumbass who doesn't know what there doing, in fact, most times, u shouldn't even use EX or DD because that leaves u open for others to but in and kill u like there do wizards. The only reason you'd leave EX or DD on is for PvE.

honestly, a lot of the time, having EX or DD on will actually increase ur chances of winning a pvp. It's very hard to kill chinese str's w/o EX or DD and they will eventually outlast u. Best way is to knockdown then use mortal wounds. With DD. IMO, the only time u don't use EX or DD is when ur are trying to knockdown or u r in serious trouble

[kirby451]

its true if you use DD and go invisible you could one hit them but if you dont then your pretty much screwed you people are acting like a cleric sub is god mode news flash ITS NOT im a lvl 72 wiz cleric and its pretty well built i wouldnt build another one like this one i would fully farm my next one but still the cleric subs help but even at level 72 they arent god

[Bobby]

its true if you use DD and go invisible you could one hit them but if you dont then your pretty much screwed you people are acting like a cleric sub is god mode news flash ITS NOT im a lvl 72 wiz cleric and its pretty well built i wouldnt build another one like this one i would fully farm my next one but still the cleric subs help but even at level 72 they arent god

true, wiz/cleric is very different to a warrior/cleric tho, even a rogue/cleric to some point. Rogue has a ton of hp when it has cleric rod w/shield on. Tht said, cleric sub isn't god mode but it is pretty darn helpful in most pvp situations.

[One_of_many_thoughts]

Ok guys, I apprecciate all your help and comments, but I give up on the rogue and bowman. I've decided to just go with what I know and can be decent in, thx again for all ur help.

[kirby451]

its true if you use DD and go invisible you could one hit them but if you dont then your pretty much screwed you people are acting like a cleric sub is god mode news flash ITS NOT im a lvl 72 wiz cleric and its pretty well built i wouldnt build another one like this one i would fully farm my next one but still the cleric subs help but even at level 72 they arent god

true, wiz/cleric is very different to a warrior/cleric tho, even a rogue/cleric to some point. Rogue has a ton of hp when it has cleric rod w/shield on. Tht said, cleric sub isn't god mode but it is pretty darn helpful in most pvp situations.

well if you have shield on your going to get owned by almost anyone because they only have like 2 good attaks

[kirby451]

its true if you use DD and go invisible you could one hit them but if you dont then your pretty much screwed you people are acting like a cleric sub is god mode news flash ITS NOT im a lvl 72 wiz cleric and its pretty well built i wouldnt build another one like this one i would fully farm my next one but still the cleric subs help but even at level 72 they arent god

true, wiz/cleric is very different to a warrior/cleric tho, even a rogue/cleric to some point. Rogue has a ton of hp when it has cleric rod w/shield on. Tht said, cleric sub isn't god mode but it is pretty darn helpful in most pvp situations.

well if you have shield on your going to get owned by almost anyone because they only have like 2 good attaks