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so lets say we have 2 85+7 glaives.

glaive 1 FB w/ white stats:

Phy. Attack pwr 80%
mag Attck pwr 80%
Attck rating 221(41%)
Crit 9
Phy. Reinforce 41%
mag.reinforce 61%

glaive 2 FB w/ white stats:

Phy. attack pwr 61%
Mag.attck pwr 61%
Attck.rating 225(61%)
Crit 9
Phy. Reinforce 80%
mag. reinforce 41%

so which would you rather have? thanks

Glaive 2; I'd take a higher reinforcement over attk power anyday.

_Scarlett_ wrote:Glaive 2; I'd take a higher reinforcement over attk power anyday.

Exactly. Funny when people laugh at my +7 glaive for only having 41% attack .. but having massive phy reinforce compared to theirs. When I pvp them .. they see the difference : )

I'd take both glavies.

thanks so much for answering ^_^

Crumpets wrote:

_Scarlett_ wrote:Glaive 2; I'd take a higher reinforcement over attk power anyday.

Exactly. Funny when people laugh at my +7 glaive for only having 41% attack .. but having massive phy reinforce compared to theirs. When I pvp them .. they see the difference : )

what does phy reinforce makes exactly?

Annihilate wrote:

Crumpets wrote:

_Scarlett_ wrote:Glaive 2; I'd take a higher reinforcement over attk power anyday.

Exactly. Funny when people laugh at my +7 glaive for only having 41% attack .. but having massive phy reinforce compared to theirs. When I pvp them .. they see the difference : )

what does phy reinforce makes exactly?

+1

What does Reinforce does exactly? i never know lol..

i think its a multiplier or something :p... dont quote me on that one, im not really sure myself. all i know is that alot of people prefer a higher phy.reinforce than a higher phy.attck.

edit: so after a little research i found this:

that "phy/mag attack power of weapon + (str/int x reinforce)) = char phy/mag attack"
comparing phy 9% reinforce 61% vs phy 61% reinforce 9% (taking lower end values)
and lvl 90 str would have 430 str wif pimped gear, so 300 is not a fair value

phy 9% = 1064, reinforce 61% = 168.7%
char attack fr reinforce = 430 x 168.7% = 725.41


phy 61% = 1093, reinforce 9% = 165.2% (notice juz 3.5% diff)
attack fr reinforce = 430 x 165.2% = 710.36


Conclusion : phy attack power diff = 29, reinforce diff = 15.05
almost twice the attack diff from attack power

bleed214 wrote:i think its a multiplier or something :p... dont quote me on that one, im not really sure myself. all i know is that alot of people prefer a higher phy.reinforce than a higher phy.attck.

edit: so after a little research i found this:

that "phy/mag attack power of weapon + (str/int x reinforce)) = char phy/mag attack"
comparing phy 9% reinforce 61% vs phy 61% reinforce 9% (taking lower end values)
and lvl 90 str would have 430 str wif pimped gear, so 300 is not a fair value

phy 9% = 1064, reinforce 61% = 168.7%
char attack fr reinforce = 430 x 168.7% = 725.41


phy 61% = 1093, reinforce 9% = 165.2% (notice juz 3.5% diff)
attack fr reinforce = 430 x 165.2% = 710.36


Conclusion : phy attack power diff = 29, reinforce diff = 15.05
almost twice the attack diff from attack power

Yup, well that's how I learned to see it. From my experience .. nearly 3 years now ... reinforces are/is the 2nd most important thing on a weapon .. besides crit ( Phy weapons ). For a better example .. look at jewelry. The age old no jewelry and only jewelry pvp shows why reinforces must be pimped well above the 60%'s. ( <3 my earring 100% phy and 91% mag +7 ) : >

Crumpets wrote:( <3 my earring 100% phy and 91% mag +7 ) : >

damnnnnnn thats nice

Glaive # 2.

I second the reinforce deal. I got rid of my +3 cleric rod with full blues just because I was given another rod with much higher reinforce, but the AR was lower by about 10. I can already see the difference in the damage output, it's over 300 points difference. Haven't checked to see if my heals are stronger, though.

bleed214 wrote:so lets say we have 2 85+7 glaives.

glaive 1 FB w/ white stats:

Phy. Attack pwr 80%
mag Attck pwr 80%
Attck rating 221(41%)
Crit 9
Phy. Reinforce 41%
mag.reinforce 61%

glaive 2 FB w/ white stats:

Phy. attack pwr 61%
Mag.attck pwr 61%
Attck.rating 225(61%)
Crit 9
Phy. Reinforce 80%
mag. reinforce 41%

so which would you rather have? thanks

The difference is actually minimal. Have you actually compared your stat differences between having the two glavies equipped? The first glavie has more Mag Atk and Mag Reinf which could mean you will do more damage.. though the second glavie has more attack rating. It's just a trade off.. but either way, the difference is hardly noticeable

hmmm..... i never really looked at it that way, with my mag.attck and mag.reinforce being high that the difference would be minimal. i can't compare my stats with both glaives equipped coz i only own glaive 1 ^_^. glaive 2 is being sold on stall network for 600m.

second one :S reinforce figures in str so you'll have lots of it, and not much int so high mag reinforce wont matter too much, i mean it does but just not as much as phy reinforce

the 80% pwr from 61% pwr would probably be just 1 more + which isnt too much

Glaive #2 ofcourse.

OT: Crumpets is playing SRO. O_O Thought you was still stuck with Cabal.

I'd take glaive #2 for the higher reinforce and attack rating.

bleed214 wrote:

Crumpets wrote:( <3 my earring 100% phy and 91% mag +7 ) : >

damnnnnnn thats nice

Nice Crumpets, unlike your sig

Exactly. Funny when people laugh at my +7 glaive for only having 41% attack .. but having massive phy reinforce compared to theirs. When I pvp them .. they see the difference : )[/quote]
what does phy reinforce makes exactly?[/quote]

+1

What does Reinforce does exactly? i never know lol..[/quote]

this helps contribte to your total damage and how when you hover over your weapon, it gives a damage range like 1100-3000 (that max damge number is raised by nuimber of factors including reinforcement phys/mag) and every stat helps but yea reinforcement is really nice especially if you have a high str

VanTokkern wrote:

bleed214 wrote:so lets say we have 2 85+7 glaives.

glaive 1 FB w/ white stats:

Phy. Attack pwr 80%
mag Attck pwr 80%
Attck rating 221(41%)
Crit 9
Phy. Reinforce 41%
mag.reinforce 61%

glaive 2 FB w/ white stats:

Phy. attack pwr 61%
Mag.attck pwr 61%
Attck.rating 225(61%)
Crit 9
Phy. Reinforce 80%
mag. reinforce 41%

so which would you rather have? thanks

The difference is actually minimal. Have you actually compared your stat differences between having the two glavies equipped? The first glavie has more Mag Atk and Mag Reinf which could mean you will do more damage.. though the second glavie has more attack rating. It's just a trade off.. but either way, the difference is hardly noticeable

Ehh.. I'm pretty sure the thread starter is pure STR, not hybrid. Magical attack is one of the least important things if that is the case. if he were a pure or hybrid int then yeah.. but then he'd just use spear ;\

i'd take either one and make it a sun glaive

thechampion80 wrote:i'd take either one and make it a sun glaive

hehehe... now if only that was possible ^_^

bleed214 wrote:i think its a multiplier or something :p... dont quote me on that one, im not really sure myself. all i know is that alot of people prefer a higher phy.reinforce than a higher phy.attck.

edit: so after a little research i found this:

that "phy/mag attack power of weapon + (str/int x reinforce)) = char phy/mag attack"
comparing phy 9% reinforce 61% vs phy 61% reinforce 9% (taking lower end values)
and lvl 90 str would have 430 str wif pimped gear, so 300 is not a fair value

phy 9% = 1064, reinforce 61% = 168.7%
char attack fr reinforce = 430 x 168.7% = 725.41


phy 61% = 1093, reinforce 9% = 165.2% (notice juz 3.5% diff)
attack fr reinforce = 430 x 165.2% = 710.36


Conclusion : phy attack power diff = 29, reinforce diff = 15.05
almost twice the attack diff from attack power

Glavie 1
725.1+1064=1789.1

Glavie 2
710.36+1093=1803.36

glavie 2 still higher

i dont know?

piXie_niXie wrote:

bleed214 wrote:i think its a multiplier or something :p... dont quote me on that one, im not really sure myself. all i know is that alot of people prefer a higher phy.reinforce than a higher phy.attck.

edit: so after a little research i found this:

that "phy/mag attack power of weapon + (str/int x reinforce)) = char phy/mag attack"
comparing phy 9% reinforce 61% vs phy 61% reinforce 9% (taking lower end values)
and lvl 90 str would have 430 str wif pimped gear, so 300 is not a fair value

phy 9% = 1064, reinforce 61% = 168.7%
char attack fr reinforce = 430 x 168.7% = 725.41


phy 61% = 1093, reinforce 9% = 165.2% (notice juz 3.5% diff)
attack fr reinforce = 430 x 165.2% = 710.36


Conclusion : phy attack power diff = 29, reinforce diff = 15.05
almost twice the attack diff from attack power

Glavie 1
725.1+1064=1789.1

Glavie 2
710.36+1093=1803.36

glavie 2 still higher

enjoy your 14 physical attack increase
while the first glaive has more magic attack

thechampion80 wrote:

piXie_niXie wrote:

bleed214 wrote:i think its a multiplier or something :p... dont quote me on that one, im not really sure myself. all i know is that alot of people prefer a higher phy.reinforce than a higher phy.attck.

edit: so after a little research i found this:

that "phy/mag attack power of weapon + (str/int x reinforce)) = char phy/mag attack"
comparing phy 9% reinforce 61% vs phy 61% reinforce 9% (taking lower end values)
and lvl 90 str would have 430 str wif pimped gear, so 300 is not a fair value

phy 9% = 1064, reinforce 61% = 168.7%
char attack fr reinforce = 430 x 168.7% = 725.41


phy 61% = 1093, reinforce 9% = 165.2% (notice juz 3.5% diff)
attack fr reinforce = 430 x 165.2% = 710.36


Conclusion : phy attack power diff = 29, reinforce diff = 15.05
almost twice the attack diff from attack power

Glavie 1
725.1+1064=1789.1

Glavie 2
710.36+1093=1803.36

glavie 2 still higher

enjoy your 14 physical attack increase
while the first glaive has more magic attack

im not talking about what the topic starter gave, im proving this guy wrong

Mousetrap wrote:

VanTokkern wrote:

bleed214 wrote:so lets say we have 2 85+7 glaives.

glaive 1 FB w/ white stats:

Phy. Attack pwr 80%
mag Attck pwr 80%
Attck rating 221(41%)
Crit 9
Phy. Reinforce 41%
mag.reinforce 61%

glaive 2 FB w/ white stats:

Phy. attack pwr 61%
Mag.attck pwr 61%
Attck.rating 225(61%)
Crit 9
Phy. Reinforce 80%
mag. reinforce 41%

so which would you rather have? thanks

The difference is actually minimal. Have you actually compared your stat differences between having the two glavies equipped? The first glavie has more Mag Atk and Mag Reinf which could mean you will do more damage.. though the second glavie has more attack rating. It's just a trade off.. but either way, the difference is hardly noticeable

Ehh.. I'm pretty sure the thread starter is pure STR, not hybrid. Magical attack is one of the least important things if that is the case. if he were a pure or hybrid int then yeah.. but then he'd just use spear ;\

Your damage output is based on your physical and magical attack. A higher Mag Atk barely makes a noticable difference but that doesn't mean there is no difference...

I've added one of my own chars to this applet:
http://www.vantokkern.com/silkroad/modules.php?name=SilkroadPlayerApplet&view=GenghisKahn&server=7
I've added both stats into the weapon slot and with glavie #2 I had 3 more physical attack. That's a minimal difference. Having a higher Mag Atk might give you a higher damage output... that's why I mentioned it

I've created that site myself btw, the stats and calculations are accurate apart from the physical attack calculation where it uses the characters' level instead of weapon mastery (which can't be added at the current time, will change that later) But that's irrelevant for comparing 2 weapons.. feel free to create an account there and check it out for yourself...