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Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:16 am**

So as you some of you already know, 90 cap is coming. As a build like I have, it was fun while it lasted. The ultimate chinese build for owning people even the suns stood no chance especially sun for sun. They have sun glavie, sun gears, sun sword, sun blade, sun shieldm, sun spears, sunbow and the only thing I need is sun glavie alone, 99% of the time, I own them.

Anyways, I will take my time leveling up, will not rush to 90. Will SP farm all the way and always keep a 7 cap between level and skills. I want to see which build will own for chinese character between the blader and glavier. Blader will get new moves while glavie only have an upgrade of skills which I heard. Hopefully blader, after the experience with this build I have, I notice a glavie character is really naked and very vulnerable to every hits. You can't disable your enemy like you can with a blader when you wanted it to, a blader will knock you down either with the first KD or the 2nd KD, while a glavie will beg to God "please please stun, please stun" while pvping. lol Plus blader have that block which is also cool.

I'm deciding should I delevel blade skills or glavie and I hope blader can kill at 90 cap without the help of stats because everybody and their mothers now use pills.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:21 am**

Rogue+warlock (PURE STR)
can kill anything + he can tank like hell on his own
total sp for fully farmed rogue+warlock for 80 cap was more than 500k

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:22 am**

Jazba wrote:Rogue+warlock (PURE STR)
can kill anything + he can tank like hell on his own
total sp for fully farmed rogue+warlock for 80 cap was more than 500k

he didnt say anything about wanting a euro....

ot: i would pick blader, just hope u have the patience to lvl

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:22 am**

Delevel Blade skills.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:28 am**

watch this movie
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DnCmMwrj60o

AND u will forget all bout blader/glavier.
i was hardcore blader be4 watching this movie, n PHUNKISM shattered all of ma dreams

(screw u phunk ^_^)

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:29 am**

go blader, much more defense, can block w/shield and gets new skill at 90 cap that increases phys damage but sacrifices defense (but bladers have PLENTY of that, lol)

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:29 am**

A rogue can't kill a blader(a good blader who knows how to pvp). Haven't lost to a rogue, the only time is their lucky first critical hit. Even at 90 cap with 300 masteries, I don't think you can level both masteries.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:31 am**

Those euro build with warlock as subclass I already pvp them. The only time I can kill them is spam expensive pills, right when they switch to their dagger, sword, etc, that's when you spam your pill and a blader will kill them right away. I already know how to counter their attack.

I'm only talkign about chinese character, euro can kill but also can be kill.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:35 am**

Jazba wrote:watch this movie
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DnCmMwrj60o

AND u will forget all bout blader/glavier.
i was hardcore blader be4 watching this movie, n PHUNKISM shattered all of ma dreams
(screw u phunk ^_^)

can u stfu with the rogue shit? he only asked about blade or glaive. i say delvl glaive. since it seems u have the patience to lvl slow, get blade. also, blade with get new kd+stab skills, with attack increasing buff

. bladers gonna PWN @ 90cap

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:36 am**

Woohoo wrote:A rogue can't kill a blader(a good blader who knows how to pvp). Haven't lost to a rogue, the only time is their lucky first critical hit. Even at 90 cap with 300 masteries, I don't think you can level both masteries.

True 101% rogue cant kill a blader with single crit, BUT BUT BUT BUT with warlock debuffs which got instant cast time, plz Woohoo watch that video n tell me where should pompom should use chains or sword dance. i was soooooooo PRO blader be4 watching this video, but now. PLZ WATCH THAT VIDEO, i m not trying to start a flame war.

POMPOM switched to sun bow , after this ^_^
lol pills, pills cant remove STUN

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:37 am**

Yes, I would love to see that quadruple stabs instead of triple stabs. I love blader. When you can't kill anybody, you just spam KD and pissed them off and then walk away and be like hahah, you cant kill me. lol But at the same time, you wanted to kill people too. That's the reason why I went dual because I was frustrated of not being able to kill anybody. I hope they can kill at 90 cap.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:38 am**

I m Blader 4 life
but JM have to fix that 80% stun move, with instant cast time.

+ i hope JM gives the new shield move "Phy. attack power 119 Increase" instead make it "Phy. attack power 119% Increase"

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:40 am**

I watched it yes, those build owns. But remember, blader have blocks. They might get a the first few hits during that stun time, after that stun time, a smart blader will spam KD knock him down. The euro smart player will then try to switch back to his shield and warlock staff. In the end, it's all about how you pvp. You should never use any chain combo attacks in pvp especially against a EURO(dead mistake) lol

Jazba wrote:True 101% rogue cant kill a blader with single crit, BUT BUT BUT BUT with warlock debuffs which got instant cast time, plz Woohoo watch that video n tell me where should pompom should use chains or sword dance. i was soooooooo PRO blader be4 watching this video, but now. PLZ WATCH THAT VIDEO, i m not trying to start a flame war.

POMPOM switched to sun bow , after this ^_^
lol pills, pills cant remove STUN

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:41 am**

Jazba wrote:Rogue+warlock (PURE STR)
can kill anything + he can tank like hell on his own
total sp for fully farmed rogue+warlock for 80 cap was more than 500k

Firewall > Pure str warlock sub.

OT
There is no 'better' class when considering blade vs glaive. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages. Pick whichever you like more, and if you can't decide..flip a coin =p.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:42 am**

I guess I have to wait and see these fully farmed 90 cap blader and glavie in action. Can't wait to see that.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:43 am**

Woohoo juz plain kd+stab dont kill peeps, u need those debuffs from chains first n than spam kd+stab, atleast u need Division on them n hope for crit on stabs

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:47 am**

Against euro, you can kill them since they have that 15 seconds delay. lol

Jazba wrote:Woohoo juz plain kd+stab dont kill peeps, u need those debuffs from chains first n than spam kd+stab, atleast u need Division on them n hope for crit on stabs

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:48 am**

Why Glaiver?
Ok, a glaiver is the most underrated pure str character at the moment. People don't realize the power that a glaiver truly has. A glaiver currently has one of the hardest hitting. A glaiver is the hardest single hit pure str. Currently Ghost Spear Mars is just as good if not better than strong bow. The only thing that makes an archer great is their ability to crit. But that is not something to rely on for every skill. The very first book down the list in Pacheon is the only skill where an archer should depend on crit. However I've seen archers get dissappointed when they don't crit. Depending on something like a crit is just the most awful way to pvp. On the other hand, a glaiver doesn't need to rely on crits. They dish out serious dmg at a fast rate. With occasional crits that help. But thats not something that glaivers rely on to help them win. They can do it without crits.

On the other hand there are bladers. A blader can tank against pure str. But what happens when you pvp a wizard or cleric? It becomes an easy kill for a wizard if the blader doesn't get block and can't kd. Yes, sadly bladers rely on blocks. Moreover a blader has to get the effects to do serious dmg. Without the curses they do dmg, but not as much with having the curses. But a glaiver still beats the dmg output of a blader even with a blader using those curses. As I said earlier a blader has a harder time tanking a wizard than a glaiver. Yes, a glaiver can be nearly invincible for 15 seconds. However there is another class to worry about. That would be a rogue. A rogue with all the dmg buffs and crit can hit up to 17-19k on a blader. Thats only leaving 1k hp on the blader. While on a glaiver it would be 19-20k. Leaving 2k hp for the glaiver to survive.

Also all the talk about rogues... They are much more effective without the hp decreasing, dmg increasing buffs IMO. They are much easier to kill when they have 8k hp than when they have 20k hp. A rogue crits often enough and has an extremely high DPS that they don't need all that extra dmg increase. In those cases a simple stun, kb or kd can easily make them immobile.

Like I said a glaiver is way under rated because their haven't added anything special with the addition of 80 cap other than dull. But effects aren't everything. The dmg output without effects can be very overwhelming.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:48 am**

Azilius wrote:
Jazba wrote:Rogue+warlock (PURE STR)
can kill anything + he can tank like hell on his own
total sp for fully farmed rogue+warlock for 80 cap was more than 500k

Firewall > Pure str warlock sub.

OT
There is no 'better' class when considering blade vs glaive. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages. Pick whichever you like more, and if you can't decide..flip a coin =p.

Not another topic about which build is the "best"

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:50 am**

Jazba wrote:watch this movie
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DnCmMwrj60o

i enjoyed watching that.

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Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 1:55 am**

http://www.konpaku.com.br/silkroad/skill.asp?raca=eu&mastery=516&serie=5165&skill=564#skill
This is the skill, which pure str euro's abuse.
only with weapon skills they cant kill chinese, i wish chinese force mastery had this skill instead of all that crap, n i would make my force my MAIN.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 2:01 am**

RogueKiller wrote:On the other hand there are bladers. A blader can tank against pure str. But what happens when you pvp a wizard or cleric? It becomes an easy kill for a wizard if the blader doesn't get block and can't kd. Yes, sadly bladers rely on blocks. Moreover a blader has to get the effects to do serious dmg. Without the curses they do dmg, but not as much with having the curses. But a glaiver still beats the dmg output of a blader even with a blader using those curses. As I said earlier a blader has a harder time tanking a wizard than a glaiver. Yes, a glaiver can be nearly invincible for 15 seconds. However there is another class to worry about. That would be a rogue. A rogue with all the dmg buffs and crit can hit up to 17-19k on a blader. Thats only leaving 1k hp on the blader. While on a glaiver it would be 19-20k. Leaving 2k hp for the glaiver to survive.

i lol at u. bladers a easy kill for wiz? remember bladers have a shield. moreover, they can use fire buffs. and they also where garms. if bladers is an easy kill for wiz, then wats glaive? 1 touch ko? glavie have 15 sec buff, but wiz can still do dmg when a glaiver is using it. after 15 secs, its 1hit ko. bladers rely on blocks? u know there is more to it then just the br of a shield u know? and also, bladers can easily beat rogues. rogues wont usually be able to 1hit ko blades, while they can do the same thing to a glaivier.

btw nice vid jazba, i just watched it

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 2:01 am**

RogueKiller wrote:Why Glaiver?
Ok, a glaiver is the most underrated pure str character at the moment. People don't realize the power that a glaiver truly has. A glaiver currently has one of the hardest hitting. A glaiver is the hardest single hit pure str. Currently Ghost Spear Mars is just as good if not better than strong bow. The only thing that makes an archer great is their ability to crit. But that is not something to rely on for every skill. The very first book down the list in Pacheon is the only skill where an archer should depend on crit. However I've seen archers get dissappointed when they don't crit. Depending on something like a crit is just the most awful way to pvp. On the other hand, a glaiver doesn't need to rely on crits. They dish out serious dmg at a fast rate. With occasional crits that help. But thats not something that glaivers rely on to help them win. They can do it without crits.

I totally agree, a glavie can kill and put damage on a consistent basics. A glavie doesn't need a sun to kill. A bower need a sun bow to kill a blader though. A bower chance of killing a glavie is higher than a blader on the other hand. A bower without a sun cannot kill a blader. Even then both blader and glavie cannot kill each other without a sun weapon. You see, this is what think. A bower HIGH Damage, low defense, range advantage. A glavie, medium damage, attack rating consistently, medium defense. A blader HIGH DEFENSE, low damage, attack rating inconsistent.

On the other hand there are bladers. A blader can tank against pure str. But what happens when you pvp a wizard or cleric? It becomes an easy kill for a wizard if the blader doesn't get block and can't kd. Yes, sadly bladers rely on blocks. Moreover a blader has to get the effects to do serious dmg. Without the curses they do dmg, but not as much with having the curses. But a glaiver still beats the dmg output of a blader even with a blader using those curses. As I said earlier a blader has a harder time tanking a wizard than a glaiver. Yes, a glaiver can be nearly invincible for 15 seconds. However there is another class to worry about. That would be a rogue. A rogue with all the dmg buffs and crit can hit up to 17-19k on a blader. Thats only leaving 1k hp on the blader. While on a glaiver it would be 19-20k. Leaving 2k hp for the glaiver to survive.
I somewhat agree, but you gotta remember this. I was in DW when a wizard test damage on me. I have 22.3K of HP since I have heuksal passive. The wizard only put 17k damage me when I have my shield on. But when I switch to glavie, he put 20k on me. But even then, the glavie relies on the stun if he were to kill. It's really hard to decide because both glavie and blader have their advantage and disadvantages. You feel more safe though with a blader since he got that shield and blocks. As a glavie, I feel like it's hopeless when I'm about to die and the dam stun doesnt come on time.

Also all the talk about rogues... They are much more effective without the hp decreasing, dmg increasing buffs IMO. They are much easier to kill when they have 8k hp than when they have 20k hp. A rogue crits often enough and has an extremely high DPS that they don't need all that extra dmg increase. In those cases a simple stun, kb or kd can easily make them immobile.

Like I said a glaiver is way under rated because their haven't added anything special with the addition of 80 cap other than dull. But effects aren't everything. The dmg output without effects can be very overwhelming.

A rogue can kill a glavie easily, a two handed sword can also kill them easily. The only time glavie can kill them is when their skin buff is gone. A blader can kill both without any sweat. lol

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Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 2:35 am**

@ that one guy

You have some points, but you missed alot, I'll just do quick outlines.

You said a glaiver can tank better against a wizard, well, wizards hit lower on blades than on glaives normally, but glaives do have the defence bonus. Blades however have a br increase buff which is SO good, but is totally underrated. When it's maxed level, there's like a 1 in 2 chance you'll block a hit.

You say rogues can crit whatever on a blader, and the glaiver will have 2k more hp. Well, 2k hp isn't going to do anything, also, bladers have higher defence in the first place, so they'll get hit for less on every hit, and blades also have a physical defence buff which literally does make them invinsible to all physical attacks.

I'm sure there were more things, but this is all that comes to mind for now.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 2:39 am**

lol, go glavier.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 3:14 am**

Woohoo wrote:Against euro, you can kill them since they have that 15 seconds delay. lol

you never killed my cleric.

edit: would be good if you make a poll about your thread

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 3:38 am**

This is NOT_TO_BE
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=467495
and Phunkism Owned this guy, when he had +5 sun blade and +9 sun shield + he had all the cleric buffs.
now tell me where did he went wrong or Rogue+Warlock = ownage
plz any1

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 3:42 am**

Warlock Debuffs doesn't work on Ice Wall.
As long as you have it on, he can't debuff you.
Put on your Ice Wall against ANY build with Warlock Sub.
If you're Bow, just stand there n spam skills.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 4:09 am**

Jazba wrote:This is NOT_TO_BE
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=467495
and Phunkism Owned this guy, when he had +5 sun blade and +9 sun shield + he had all the cleric buffs.
now tell me where did he went wrong or Rogue+Warlock = ownage
plz any1

your lock is going to be pretty shtty with the new stones coming out

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 4:35 am**

BaronSengir wrote:
Jazba wrote:This is NOT_TO_BE
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=467495
and Phunkism Owned this guy, when he had +5 sun blade and +9 sun shield + he had all the cleric buffs.
now tell me where did he went wrong or Rogue+Warlock = ownage
plz any1

your lock is going to be pretty shtty with the new stones coming out

Dam what a noob, first of all these stones come at 100 cap, so after few years, secondly they can be droped only by rock. Think again pls

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