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Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:02 pm
by izmeister
Well than, here we go
SRF has started a war on bots, but is it helping at all? Maybe it has stopped bots on the forum, but bots will bot no matter what SRF says. This is an option to do some serious damage to bots everywhere.
How does this work?This technique is based on the fact that the more bandwidth thats consumed, the more money they have to pay. Its a kind of Denial-of-service attack, BUT its 100% legal. All you are doing is reload the website multiple times. Three websites of the Church of Scientology has been shutdown by similar methods, and so has numerous fake bank websites. The best part is, the damage dealer is a simple, a seemingly innocent Firefox plugin
Lets start!First thing you need to do is get Firefox
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/Firefox is needed because you can add the plugin thats needed to do this, plus the fact Firefox is just better,
Next stepGet the Firefox plugin, Reload every, which can be found here
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/115Step 3Start Firefox » type "about:config" in the Address Bar » enter or change the following settings to what you see below:
browser.cache.disk.capacity | 0 (integer)
browser.cache.disk.enable | false (boolean)
browser.cache.memory.capacity | 0 (integer)
browser.cache.memory.enable | false (boolean)
If you skip this step or mess this up, everything after this will be useless.
Now for the fun part Now go to a gold selling website. I would post a link, but the mods would delete it. If we got maybe 20+ members to do this on the same website, we could really do some damage. One person alone cannot do anything. Lets just say that our first target is the first result in google for bot258. First, right click somewhere on the page. The small menu should pop up. I forget the name, its that menus that pops up when you right-click. Anyway, one of the options should be "Reload Every". Hover your mouse over it. Press custom. Make the amount of time 0 minutes and Na OR 1-5 seconds. NA will reload the page constantly.
It will continue to reload constantly. (I am currently reloading bot258 every 1 second)
Please help!I know many people will just read this and say, "This guy is noob, he haz lows post count" or something like that and will not even read this, or post something pessimistic. This could really work if we get lots of people doing this. Just try it. If you plan to help, the first target is the first web result in google when you search for bot258. Hopefully we can get it to crash within a month
AND PLEASE POST CLEARLY WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL BE HELPING! ThanksJust trying to put in my help in the war against bots.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:05 pm
by RogueKiller
Sounds good but I don't know much about this stuff.
Would be nice if some other users gave their input first.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:08 pm
by 2k9bom
i doubt it will work on bot258..
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:10 pm
by Quintus
Yeah! Lets take the initiative and mess with some gold sellers!
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:12 pm
by izmeister
2k9bom wrote:i doubt it will work on bot258..
Why can't it? Church of Scientology websites have been shut down in a similar way.
Even if not bot258, we could just go to gold selling websites, like the first result in google for sro gold.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:25 pm
by 2k9bom
izmeister wrote:2k9bom wrote:i doubt it will work on bot258..
Why can't it? Church of Scientology websites have been shut down in a similar way.
Even if not bot258, we could just go to gold selling websites, like the first result in google for sro gold.
okay. try it on my site. and just post in this thread when it shuts down
http://www.2k9bom.ca.kz
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:26 pm
by izmeister
2k9bom wrote:izmeister wrote:2k9bom wrote:i doubt it will work on bot258..
Why can't it? Church of Scientology websites have been shut down in a similar way.
Even if not bot258, we could just go to gold selling websites, like the first result in google for sro gold.
okay. try it on my site. and just post in this thread when it shuts down
http://www.2k9bom.ca.kz
We need more people, I cannot do it alone. If I could, I would not even be posting here...
and the fact that you seem to think that you can do this kind of stuff in one day.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:27 pm
by ma_de
we need to set a schedule on the website, so that everyone hits a website at the same time. making it go down
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm
by izmeister
ma_de wrote:we need to set a schedule on the website, so that everyone hits a website at the same time. making it go down
That may work, but i think a loop would do more damage than that. One crash vs multiple crashes.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:31 pm
by InsertName
macros lol
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:58 pm
by Sleepy1338
or people could stop buying gold and the sites would shut down.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:59 pm
by izmeister
Sleepy1338 wrote:or people could stop buying gold and the sites would shut down.
Yeah, that will never happen and we all know it...
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:06 am
by Burningwolf
RogueKiller wrote:Sounds good but I don't know much about this stuff.
Would be nice if some other users gave their input first.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:17 am
by -.-
get everyone to buy gold then chargeback
if 100+ people do it within a few days, paypal shuts down account
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:38 am
by Rush4Life
I will join if somebody has successfully brought down one website
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:54 am
by MrJoey
The Scientology ones weren't done by mundane resources such as refresh or anything like that. It was done by one or two people who had large botnets. Trust me, you'd need a lot more than just 20-30 people to bring down just about any website.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:54 am
by NO_SILK_4_ME
It seems like a good idea, I don't know much about this...but if I can follow your instructions and figure it out, I'll definently be doing this for the next week or so...see if it works...but don't expect me to stick around too long..I got SRO to play
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:04 am
by izmeister
Rush4Life wrote:I will join if somebody has successfully brought down one website
Somebody? You need numerous(30+) people to shut down one website, hence why I am asking for help from the srf community
MrJoey wrote:The Scientology ones weren't done by mundane resources such as refresh or anything like that. It was done by one or two people who had large botnets. Trust me, you'd need a lot more than just 20-30 people to bring down just about any website.
The false bank webistes were taken down with a script called lad vampire, which virtually does the same thing I am talking about. Sadly, lad vampire is not available anymore.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:11 am
by Cruor
Pretty sure this is still illegal, and it would be smarter to go after the servers that authenticate the bots anyway. As far as methods go, Project Chanology used JMeter.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:55 am
by nohunta
Lets do it.
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:36 am
by 4reaLz
or even tho illegal, u can just DDOS the sites lol
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:51 am
by Ishagmuro
Unless you do a masive conections for a Ddos, it is not worth the time.
5 can´t... but 5000 can, but we are.. er... 100!
Maybe we should pay for that job
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:55 am
by pinoyplaya
This is a very good idea!. I know that for every website there's bandwidth limit and just by refreshing their site, it will increase the bandwidth usage.
Will this do it automatically while surfing the web? Or do you have to do it manually?
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:33 am
by Drew_Benton
To izmeister:
Sure, you could try to start your little revolution and get people doing this against bot sites and gold selling sites but have you ever considered what would happen if they ALL did the same back to SRF? Do you have any idea how many people would be more willing to "LEGALLY" take down SRF or any site that suggested such practices because it supported the idea that it could raise the bot and gold prices of thousands of users by causing a DOS attack?
There is a reason why sites don't promote this kind of behavior or the types of behavior that would interfere with the operations or business of another large site. Retaliation. That is why SRF stays to itself as 0x33 stays to itself, as Bot369, Bot258, Botsmall all keep to themselves. No one wants to start a little "virtual war" because in the long run, no one wins except with the person with the most resources. And considering that the bot sites are quite a large business with plenty of money to go around, I'm sure they could fix whatever little problems you are trying to give them they so choose.
Anyways, the staff of SRF are smart people. They wouldn't publicly accept and support such actions to be taken out against anyone. For those very reasons I mentioned above.
http://www.silkroadforums.com is SRF's territory. They can do whatever they want here and do. They want to provide a nice clean site for people who choose to morally and rule-abidingly play the game. That's all. Anything outside of that though, that's how people get into real trouble trying to force your ideas on other people.
You can argue this is "legal" all you want but the matter of the fact is that the sites you are suggesting attacking are business sites and unless you are a competing business trying to run out that business site, you won't be doing any good. You can argue all you want against the morality of such sites existing but they have the same right to operate and do business as any other site. Try to pull this "legal" activity on a .GOV site and see how legal it really is
Anyways, I digress
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:54 am
by EastWind
Drew_Benton wrote:To izmeister:
Sure, you could try to start your little revolution and get people doing this against bot sites and gold selling sites but have you ever considered what would happen if they ALL did the same back to SRF? Do you have any idea how many people would be more willing to "LEGALLY" take down SRF or any site that suggested such practices because it supported the idea that it could raise the bot and gold prices of thousands of users by causing a DOS attack?
There is a reason why sites don't promote this kind of behavior or the types of behavior that would interfere with the operations or business of another large site. Retaliation. That is why SRF stays to itself as 0x33 stays to itself, as Bot369, Bot258, Botsmall all keep to themselves. No one wants to start a little "virtual war" because in the long run, no one wins except with the person with the most resources. And considering that the bot sites are quite a large business with plenty of money to go around, I'm sure they could fix whatever little problems you are trying to give them they so choose.
Anyways, the staff of SRF are smart people. They wouldn't publicly accept and support such actions to be taken out against anyone. For those very reasons I mentioned above.
http://www.silkroadforums.com is SRF's territory. They can do whatever they want here and do. They want to provide a nice clean site for people who choose to morally and rule-abidingly play the game. That's all. Anything outside of that though, that's how people get into real trouble trying to force your ideas on other people.
You can argue this is "legal" all you want but the matter of the fact is that the sites you are suggesting attacking are business sites and unless you are a competing business trying to run out that business site, you won't be doing any good. You can argue all you want against the morality of such sites existing but they have the same right to operate and do business as any other site. Try to pull this "legal" activity on a .GOV site and see how legal it really is
Anyways, I digress
Very well said.
I'd just like to also add: even if you took down the site completely, do you think it'll 'stop gold botting'? To tell you some truth that you might know, and possibly you don't, a lot of people (regular players) run their own gold botting army to gather gold. There's no business there, no website to take down. What will you do against them?
Oh and I believe your method is illegal regardless, I saw bandwidth leeching is against the law some time ago. And keep in mind that such frequent refreshes will just get your IP banned from the host and your ISP contacted. Nothing good really.
It's nice though that people trying to look into getting rid of bots outside of SRF as well, I think that's the way to go. =)
Re: Shutting Bot/Gold selling websites down LEGALLY
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:05 am
by MrBow
This matter is to be discussed by the mod team.
In meanwhile locked.
Edit
Final decision: even though we despise gold companies / sites the way that is proposed by izmeister is not the way to go. As we cannot influence the game directly, we're trying to create a legit community here. SRF is the legit community. What happens outside, stays outside. Any questions regarding this matter can be send to someone of the moderating team.
Bow