Serious SRF Botting Poll

[caseyd4]

This is simple, with the war on bots underway. I would like to explore what I believe is the only way to remove bots from this game and to allow it to remain "Free". There are several avenuse I have pondered over how we could come to an end of botting.

Of course the most simple would be to remove the "Market" in Silkroad, how would you achieve this ? Simple remove the Silk Items. Don't Understand ok well, first start with the question. Why do people spend money on Silkroad, why can people sell things for a profit? Answer is a bit more frank than most people will enjoy. Its the Legits. Still don't follow me ok, well why do people buy gold, Better Equips. Why Do people Bot, to reach cap, and why be at cap?, to be the strongest. Now why are the Legits and the Silk Item Mall causing this market, well seen as the day of the Hard grind is gone for most. For the lucky few that have High Level Chars, they can Pwr Lvl. Yet still there is the need for PT and Stones and ever amonts of ending handy little gidgets and widgets in the mall that make reaching lvl 80 a little less painful. While the Legits pay for PT they have paid money for what essentially was a free game. This has now introduced the Idea that there is a "Value" in what they have created. A value that can be bought in GOLD or in Bots. No We know that JM will never even consider removing its precious Item mall, and in all probability is that it will grow and the game will become and even more expensive "Free" edition.

So if we cant remove the market in Silkroad, how can we use the market. Simple Make botting legal. After alot of consideration, although I have not played the versions with JM Botting (Lvling) Systems. Im confident they would become more pro active in their attempts at ridding Silkroad of Gold Bots. Infact im pretty sure they would be highly succesfull if needs be. Why would they do such a thing, well there are alot of Legit botters out there. Im sorry Ok Im not a big fan of the race for cap and im happy as lvl 2x. Yet I believe people who enjoy the game but do not or wish not to invest the proper time to lvl all the way, should be given there chance. Now Im sure that even if this was the case many Legits would be arguing for some kinda of tag system, to demote these individuals. Do not shoot yourself in the foot, Seriously if you have been playing the game for near on a year or more to lvl to 80, and you suddenly meet a stranger who you havent met in that time nicely dressed in 8d garms. WAKE UP. Now why do we think allowing botters in is going to help us ? Surely it will be the same story as before. Well no, think about it this way list of your top 5 pet hates in game;

5. Ridiculous amounts Spam in town
4. KS due to Gold Bots
3. Stupid Over Population of bots at certain mobs
2. Bots destroying Market values (personal pet hate)
1. Not being able to Log in due to Server Over crowding

Now how many of these incidents are cause by what I call "Legit" botters. Surely it is not them we have to worry about, its this economy that is feeding the scum of the earth to go out there and spam servers 24hr a day with as much as they can. Reason for them, more is more. How will JM botting solve this, firstly they dont sell gold, at least in my perfect little world. Spamming Gone. KS due to Gold Bots gone. Over population of certain mobs gone, how ?. Well a legitemate botting system works on demand not on building a huge stock pile, there may be a spike at the start, but the bots will be ahead of mostly everyone on a new server anyway. After that its just based on simple demand it isn't for 1k new bots after a bot ban . The removing of overcrowding is a simple by prodcut of the point above.

Now there is the questions of how much do they charge for the botting and would there be a sufficient market. Well I'd say over the price of several PT's, I cant answer the second myself but I feel convinced that there are enough "Legit" Botters out there to try it.

[Skayunor]

What's the use of all those monsters if no one will see them cause their bot does everything?
What's the use of all those low level skills if no one will use them at the cap?
What's the use of even having experience and skill experience bars?!
Or why would we wanna keep the option to party?
Why not immediatly make the option to recieve a level 80 character with full Seal of Sun +255 and 10 billion skillpoints?

When botting becomes a part of the game itself, it aint no game anymore, it'll be a PvP contest where people eventually have every level 80 build in the book and get frustrated, cause they are no different from the rest, you won't believe how boring it'll get.

Edit: Perhaps we could have a PvP bot to!, so we just need to watch our bot do the work and scream "yey! KEKEKE" when we win and "yi fck yi mothr" when we lose...

[NuclearSilo]

I would like to explore what I believe is the only way to remove bots from this game and to allow it to remain "Free".

After reading this sentence, I stopped to read your post =.=

[Summanus]

What's the use of all those monsters if no one will see them cause their bot does everything?
What's the use of all those low level skills if no one will use them at the cap?
What's the use of even having experience and skill experience bars?!
Or why would we wanna keep the option to party?
Why not immediatly make the option to recieve a level 80 character with full Seal of Sun +255 and 10 billion skillpoints?

When botting becomes a part of the game itself, it aint no game anymore, it'll be a PvP contest where people eventually have every level 80 build in the book and get frustrated, cause they are no different from the rest, you won't believe how boring it'll get.

Edit: Perhaps we could have a PvP bot to!, so we just need to watch our bot do the work and scream "yey! KEKEKE" when we win and "yi fck yi mothr" when we lose...

/signed

[OL_Spongey]

Quit the game if you are unhappy with the service.

[Vandango]

Simple Make botting legal

If botting was legal Why play this game
if this game was made to bot it be doomed form the start
If this is a "Game" why let lines of code play it for you
What rewards do we get if do it by hand?

Theroy was flawed by that sentance

[NuclearSilo]

I'd like to see who voted for "Yes" give his opinion.
Maybe SRF should implement a feature to track who voted for what..

[Barotix]

Legit Botter? Thats an Oxymoron. I would use an analogy to explain why this thread is .... but I won't bother. Someone take care of this; I'm out.

EDIT: we already can check who voted for what.

[BloodOwnzzz]

I voted for yes because atm I would rather not deal with the shit and be able to play and not get banned from forums. Although, if I had a Rogue/Bard at lvl 80 I probably wouldn't bot because I like how they grind and it is enjoyable IMO.

[Barotix]

I voted for yes because atm I would rather not deal with the shit and be able to play and not get banned from forums. Although, if I had a Rogue/Bard at lvl 80 I probably wouldn't bot because I like how they grind and it is enjoyable IMO.

>.> its still cheating and if joymax did that they would lose so much credibility.

[Zing]

The game is an obvious grinder's game. It requires a lot of time to get to a certain high level. By achieving such a level, you're given a physical and mental status. The physical status is the level XX at the top left of your screen, the gear you're wearing, and the skills you can use. The mental status is the public around you, observing you and submitting presumptions that this (you being a level XX) level XX player is valued depending on his or her level. Higher level you are, the higher valued you are, since people know that this high level spent a lot of time to achieve the goal of the level.

What as happened with bots is that the mental status has been changed and value has been dropped immensely. The presumptions have been written out that most, if not all, high levels have been using a program that would increase the progress of gaining levels.

In short morality term, if you can't do it, you don't deserve it.

If you're seriously thinking about making a grinder's game into a legitimate botter's game, then there's really no point in to have the grinding aspect. Remove it all together. Make it all PVP, for an example: Rakion.

[BloodOwnzzz]

Illegal only to their ToS. They wouldn't do it though because they would lose a lot of money if a huge majority of players started botting, no more need for gold company gold bots, no need for anything above Silver Premium, etc.

And their is a point in that Joymax has to make money some way...

[Stress]

The game gets played by itself. Wonderful.

[Hennessey]

I'd like to see who voted for "Yes" give his opinion.
Maybe SRF should implement a feature to track who voted for what..

And then maybe they can start monitoring phone calls and MSN chat logs !!!

[NuclearSilo]

So? Better than those who voted yes are not dare to tell his opnion, cowardly hiding behind, afraid ppl will give them a bad status for supporting bots.

[Alfred]

So if I got this right... it is us legits who buy silk that are to blame for the in game situation? lol wtf

Maybe Joymax should start a "war" on us instead.

[Barotix]

So if I got this right... it is us legits who buy silk that are to blame for the in game situation? lol wtf

Maybe Joymax should start a "war" on us instead.

Yeah, I don't get it either. What i think he is trying to say is: "because there are legits who can reach the cap [with silk], people are compelled to bot to keep up with people who deserve to cap, because most botters can't get past 40"

In other words he has sympathy for people who have little patience for SRO.

[Vindicator]

I say no because it wouldnt work. If JM does it, you know it wont work.

[DaZzY]

Quit the game if you are unhappy with the service.

Stole my words out of my mouth.

[STARNATION]

Never ever will support bots, no matter what circumstances.

[Jstar1]

what is the point of all these "I wish..." and "Joymax should..." threads when its never gonna happen?

[Nitesh]

Um if Joymax took away the silk items and the whole silk system. Where would it get the money to PAY for the servers you play on? Exactly, useless thread.

[Silkroad]

can some1 ban this guy? pl0x

[erkakbe]

all joymax has to do is allow to stall silk items for gold==more money for them, no gold bots, happy legits who can play for "free" with all of the silk benefits

[NuclearSilo]

all joymax has to do is allow to stall silk items for gold==less money for them, no gold bots, happy legits who can play for "free" with all of the silk benefits

Fixed
U forgot the CCFers?

[Amalie]

I would support a Joymax Silk Bot I think its a great idea, it should be built into the premium ticket as an option if you want it for 5 hours a day. /signed

[Amalie]

You should be able to buy gold with silk to.. Hell both these things would really screw up SRO gold selling and bot selling companies.. So why are most of you against it lol. cmon joymax impliment this soon. They probably wont untill 110 or 120 cap though.

[Barotix]

The implement it because its Illogical. They gave you everything you need to level and if you haven't noticed with every update its gets easier and easier to level, thats to meet the future demands capping will require, also; there would be no point in playing the game if you're not actually playing. Cape PvP is like a test of power; Jobbing is an application of that power. There is an obvious reason why Joymax will never do something this absurd, but meh. I'm not in a big post mood >.>

[Post]

If joymax start to sell bots from the item mail, I will quit this game. Doing such a thing would be like a slap in the face for all legits, that hand grinded levels and paid for this game with silk. The game should go p2p, its like that now (for me) and has been for long time (if you want easy log-in and other mail items). p2p would help get rid of most bots (cost of subscribing or buying a disk/CD key)and free loaders that moan. After that it would be up to the community in game to report bots and with added income joymax should support it users with a service thats payed for. Hell they mite do (or more of) there jobs and act with out our assistants

Botting is so bad in this game that alot give in because they believe it's the norm and make excuses for it. Sad to have seen many a player take that road, there no longer a player to me just a another bot.

Simple fact botting is cheating.

Simple fact the game a grind.

To play a game you experience it, you don't get that with a bot. So why waste time and money on it. Some do it for gold, items, levels or just because they can. These people don't take pride and respect in what they have achieved or what others have achieved from being legit. A game meant to be fun, entertaining and even educational. Bot and you remove these fundamentals.

ethics > principles > philosophy > ideology

It hard to change the mind of one thats lacking or has still to learn. ("noob")


The community in game are partly to blame:

Buying gold and wanting to cheat, hack and scam.

Joymax are partly to blame for not policing and taking the bull by the horns

[erkakbe]

all joymax has to do is allow to stall silk items for gold==less money for them, no gold bots, happy legits who can play for "free" with all of the silk benefits

Fixed
U forgot the CCFers?

thats something different...fact is that if you could pass silk items to someone else there would be more silk items selling...ccf's are glitch in the system and there are other mechanisms to deal with them.