Euro Vs Chinese ......

[Hideoki]

Pisses me off how people always say euros own chinese just cusve the fact dmg output is higher. I mean both races have pros and cons so they are even surely.... The islam race will even it out anyway i guess.

[MrSonic]

It all depends on how you play your character, i'll take Rogues for example.

Lv 80 fully farmed Rogue with a +5 or higher crossbow, Stealth + Crossbow Extreme, can kill any lv 80 build, even bladers with a critical.

However if that Rogue starts running up to his opponents without Stealth and even Crossbow Extreme he will get owned 90% of the time.

If Euros would hit lower, then they wouldn't have any pot delays, making them total copies of chinese race, so Joymax had to do something about it.

[Sylhana]

My guild (chi + euro) vs ExcalibuR (all euro except one guy).

viewtopic.php?f=70&t=77688

Chi + euro will make for better teamplay.

[Hideoki]

But i know this. But the fact is because a euro build can do that, they believe that overall its stronger. Which isnt true 100%! Cus a blader chinese like you say 90% of the time, will beat him if for one he can see, and two able to attack. So this is why they have pros and cons, that rogue is great in certain ways, as is the blader, not one is truly better.

[Sylhana]

But i know this. But the fact is because a euro build can do that, they believe that overall its stronger. Which isnt true 100%! Cus a blader chinese like you say 90% of the time, will beat him if for one he can see, and two able to attack. So this is why they have pros and cons, that rogue is great in certain ways, as is the blader, not one is truly better.

.
Oh I definitely +1 this point. It doesnt matter what others believe, as long as you understand that every build and "race" (sic) has their pros and cons, then you'll make the best use of them in pve, pvp.

[Hideoki]

Yeah i agree also, but i just got banned from my union for stating that a chinese nuker, for being able to use weapon skills, and having much higher hp than a wizard makes them slightly better "imo" overall. I stated wizards deal higher damage also, but imo a chinese nuker is better overall.

[Sylhana]

Yeah i agree also, but i just got banned from my union for stating that a chinese nuker, for being able to use weapon skills, and having much higher hp than a wizard makes them slightly better "imo" overall. I stated wizards deal higher damage also, but imo a chinese nuker is better overall.

Doesnt sound like a friendly union to me, they certainly dont deserve to have you. It depends how you define better, cause what is best for you fits your objective, and a chinese nuker will probably help you reach your objective better than a euro wizard. If the goal is the highest damage possible then sure a euro wizard is "better" in that narrow sense. In an overall pvp setting, either char type and class could function just as good as the other in a very narrow and crude way.

Just a few days ago I was in a job war, against two hunters, a lvl 80 pure str glaive, and a lvl 80 pure int euro wizard (with a nice +7 staff ). I'm a pure int chi nuker wearing armor (no sosuns on hercules server). Wizzy hunter was invisible and hiding in safe zone. I came out, 20 seconds later, they're both dead. I've got no sosuns, just your regular pure int nuker. So yeah, in that narrow sense I would say a pure int chi nuker is better (at least for me).

[AngelMare]

Euro do higher dmg , but have pot delay , so in the same time he high dmg u , u can hit him for more dmg maybe cauze he wont be able 2 use pots fast .. its kinda balanced , and every build not race even have its pros and cons .

[Cloverleaf]

Same. I was thief on my pure str archer and I found a 45+ trader. What I didn't see was a wizard hunter with him. Thank goodness, he was lame enough to waste an uber nuke to kill my horse then my 5 arrow combo was quicker than his second shot

[Orotiagito]

I wish Chinese chars had some party skills...

I'm a Blader, and without a Taunt....I have to Frost Nova the Generals to get them off the Euros.

[TOloseGT]

i'd rather have a euro than a chinese in a 8man party.

[nightbloom]

A Euro without a pt is weak, a Euro with a pt is unbeatable.

Sure in a 1 v 1, a chinese char should always win. But in group fighting, euros rule.

[BuddahBless]

Just a few days ago I was in a job war, against two hunters, a lvl 80 pure str glaive, and a lvl 80 pure int euro wizard (with a nice +7 staff ). I'm a pure int chi nuker wearing armor (no sosuns on hercules server). Wizzy hunter was invisible and hiding in safe zone. I came out, 20 seconds later, they're both dead. I've got no sosuns, just your regular pure int nuker. So yeah, in that narrow sense I would say a pure int chi nuker is better (at least for me).[/color]

Lvl 80 glaiver and wizard with a +7 staff couldn't kill a pure int chinese char? Yeah right. lmao

[Sylhana]

Just a few days ago I was in a job war, against two hunters, a lvl 80 pure str glaive, and a lvl 80 pure int euro wizard (with a nice +7 staff ). I'm a pure int chi nuker wearing armor (no sosuns on hercules server). Wizzy hunter was invisible and hiding in safe zone. I came out, 20 seconds later, they're both dead. I've got no sosuns, just your regular pure int nuker. So yeah, in that narrow sense I would say a pure int chi nuker is better (at least for me).[/color]

Lvl 80 glaiver and wizard with a +7 staff couldn't kill a pure int chinese char? Yeah right. lmao

Love the skeptics. Keeps me winning in pvp

[TOloseGT]

high level snowshield and armor makes the str glaiver a non-issue. so it's basically 1v1 wiz.

[Sylhana]

high level snowshield and armor makes the str glaiver a non-issue. so it's basically 1v1 wiz.

Thanks .

So its kd the glaive, take a nuke from the wiz [who needs at least 2 nukes to kill me] then a demon blade, soul cut blade, a shout, and a dead wizard + 105 seconds to kill the glaivier with a bleed + division, to a nuke nuke dance and kill.

[torinchibi]

If I was that wizard, I would be coming out with mana drought, right away, then kb and nuke. Quite frankly, i can't see how a level 80 wizard would need anything more than 1 nuke to kill pure int in armor...even with mana shield. Considering I kill pure int lvl 80 with a +3 cleric rod using level 68 offering...when they are in garments, with their 50% mana shield...I just can't see how a level 80 wizard wouldn't kill you in 1 hit.

But I wasn't there. So it's not like I can say you are lying, when you could have survived the first nuke with 10hp on a low hit for all I know.

[ThisIsAvalon]

How is fighting a wiz without a party a test of a euros strength? Thats like fighting a super powered sterioded arm, it cant work without the body. Sure, it can punch you real hard, but its not used for anything else. A chinese is like an old person, it can kill people well on itself, while a euro is like 1/8 of a guy on steriods. Once you get all 8 people, you just push all the old people down the stairs.



All the euros you fight are just dumbasses.

[0nix]

euros r winning most pvp cuz all chinese characters r not fully farm yet. n most euro builds don't need to farm like chinese. Sp ticket + GT/Premium = little or no need to farm.
n euro can't kill chinese character with bless spell too. so, euro aren't overpower.

[ThisIsAvalon]

euros r winning most pvp cuz all chinese characters r not fully farm yet. n most euro builds don't need to farm like chinese. Sp ticket + GT/Premium = little or no need to farm.
n euro can't kill chinese character with bless spell too. so, euro aren't overpower.

Euros wizzes can 1 shot a fully farmed full sosun+6 blader. Hows that not overpowered? He turns on bless spell? Warlock casts 2 debuffs, now hes a 1 shot.

Euros arent "overpowered" though, they just require more skill. If having skill makes you overpowered, so be it, it should be that way.




Chinese are like barbarians, they rush in screaming their warcry and bash at you. Euros are like a roman legion, they are organized, strategic, and a killing machine. Sure, you can kill the legion with a million barbarians, but the legion of only 50,000 will wipe out 1/2 your army in the process.

[somenoob]

euros r winning most pvp cuz all chinese characters r not fully farm yet. n most euro builds don't need to farm like chinese. Sp ticket + GT/Premium = little or no need to farm.
n euro can't kill chinese character with bless spell too. so, euro aren't overpower.

I need 708k SP for my rouge / cleric to be level 90 full farmed.

A good pure str glavier only needs 632k at level 90.

Please don't tell me I don't need to farm.. ever.. ever again

[0nix]

Euros wizzes can 1 shot a fully farmed full sosun+6 blader. Hows that not overpowered? He turns on bless spell? Warlock casts 2 debuffs, now hes a 1 shot.

Euros arent "overpowered" though, they just require more skill. If having skill makes you overpowered, so be it, it should be that way.

1 shot on blader? that hard to believe cuz i never got 1shot by wizards at pvp with my blader.
If that sun blader got 1shot, i have no idea how he play.

Chinese are like barbarians, they rush in screaming their warcry and bash at you. Euros are like a roman legion, they are organized, strategic, and a killing machine. Sure, you can kill the legion with a million barbarians, but the legion of only 50,000 will wipe out 1/2 your army in the process.

plz keep things simple. no need to go super fantasy about it.

[ThisIsAvalon]

Its pretty simple to 1 shot a sun blader. Warlock debuffs, wizard nukes. 30k dmg. Headshot.

[0nix]

euros r winning most pvp cuz all chinese characters r not fully farm yet. n most euro builds don't need to farm like chinese. Sp ticket + GT/Premium = little or no need to farm.
n euro can't kill chinese character with bless spell too. so, euro aren't overpower.

I need 708k SP for my rouge / cleric to be level 90 full farmed.

A good pure str glavier only needs 632k at level 90.

Please don't tell me I don't need to farm.. ever.. ever again

if u read my post carefully, i said MOST EURO BUILDS

[jabbers]

people you need to use the expensive pills seriously there is no chinese buffs for the new status effects, fire shield sure won't help you. I see clerics, wizrds, warlocks hitting people with all kinds of these effects, just one instance of bind, sleep, or fear and they can finish you quick and I see more and more starting to adopt those skills in pvp. So buy the expensive pills, if your too poor to afford them you probably didn't stand much of chance to begin with.

[ThisIsAvalon]

Well, if MOST euro builds dont need to farm, then MOST chinese builds dont need to either. You can easily max 2 masteries in chinese with an sp ticket. You dont HAVE to go for 300/300, just like euros dont have to go for 160/160. Farming isnt necessary for both classes.

people you need to use the expensive pills seriously there is no chinese buffs for the new status effects, fire shield sure won't help you. I see clerics, wizrds, warlocks hitting people with all kinds of these effects, just one instance of bind, sleep, or fear and they can finish you quick and I see more and more starting to adopt those skills in pvp. So buy the expensive pills, if your too poor to afford them you probably didn't stand much of chance to begin with.

Expensive pills wont help you if your doing 30 damage to the wizard...

[0nix]

Well, if MOST euro builds dont need to farm, then MOST chinese builds dont need to either. You can easily max 2 masteries in chinese with an sp ticket. You dont HAVE to go for 300/300, just like euros dont have to go for 160/160. Farming isnt necessary for both classes.

agree.
but chinese don't have enough buffs in one skill tree.
chinese have different masteries for different buffs.

my rogue has ONLY xbow skills and do almost same damage as other xbow with sub.

[Gronic]

Well, if MOST euro builds dont need to farm, then MOST chinese builds dont need to either. You can easily max 2 masteries in chinese with an sp ticket. You dont HAVE to go for 300/300, just like euros dont have to go for 160/160. Farming isnt necessary for both classes.

agree.
but chinese don't have enough buffs in one skill tree.
chinese have different masteries for different buffs.

Yea euro skills are more organize btw i switched in venus
seens every 1 is doing euro character had a bower. never seen
and actual person griding on that side

[jabbers]

Well, if MOST euro builds dont need to farm, then MOST chinese builds dont need to either. You can easily max 2 masteries in chinese with an sp ticket. You dont HAVE to go for 300/300, just like euros dont have to go for 160/160. Farming isnt necessary for both classes.

people you need to use the expensive pills seriously there is no chinese buffs for the new status effects, fire shield sure won't help you. I see clerics, wizrds, warlocks hitting people with all kinds of these effects, just one instance of bind, sleep, or fear and they can finish you quick and I see more and more starting to adopt those skills in pvp. So buy the expensive pills, if your too poor to afford them you probably didn't stand much of chance to begin with.

Expensive pills wont help you if your doing 30 damage to the wizard...

you must be talking about a wizard with warrior screens on him and every other defensive buff? I was just referring to the pvp in duels. I can take out a capped wiz w/cleric sub (bless, recovery division) very easily. against a team though, no the pills won't allow you to stand you ground very long, but they can also help you escape in that case. In jobbing haven't that many instances where I fought against a good team of only european chars (most on our server are chinese+euro) but even still you can spilt them up pretty easily.

[AngloKnight]

Euros wizzes can 1 shot a fully farmed full sosun+6 blader. Hows that not overpowered? He turns on bless spell? Warlock casts 2 debuffs, now hes a 1 shot.

Euros arent "overpowered" though, they just require more skill. If having skill makes you overpowered, so be it, it should be that way.




Chinese are like barbarians, they rush in screaming their warcry and bash at you. Euros are like a roman legion, they are organized, strategic, and a killing machine. Sure, you can kill the legion with a million barbarians, but the legion of only 50,000 will wipe out 1/2 your army in the process.

I liked that one. LOL... Well, imo Euros can stand in pvp 1 vs 1, almost all their classes can do so... but on the other hand, a chinese with a bless spell on, isn't considered a pvp, that's called a party lol... so well, I guess chinese lose in pvp and in parties :S ... it's not about who does much damage, it's about how to use your build well, as a euro, it's not always the best to have the highest damage, sometimes you might need to disable your opponent first... and for the chinese ppl out there, later, you'll be forced to have only 2 masteries, remember, they're 300 max mastery lvls so do consider that pls... you're losing some power compared to a euro who'd have 2 masteries that are very compatible and useful with one another...