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Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:09 pm
by JacksColon
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:17 pm
by Amelie
i feel you.
probably crit and blocking ratio are the worst stats to do alchemy.
I've had my experiences also by doing that, it's very frustrating.
At the end is like a challenge to me, to at least fix it. So i just insist till i get a good number on the stat.

keep trying =)
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:19 pm
by MrBow
There is a theory that each item has a fixed 'luck stat'.
Some items are to be pimped out, some aren't
And tbh critical is a very hard thing to increase =/
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:19 pm
by Alterran
u got it lucky i failed about 50 times trying to raise my rit from 1 to 5+ on my blade it went like this
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
4 crit
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail
fail 9 crit and that was the end fianly -.-
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:19 pm
by Nader
i used to get like that, i had these lvl 42 daggers i was getting ready for, so i went to pimp it, couldnt get str or int past1 on them -.- and the crit wouldnt go past 11...,
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:20 pm
by JacksColon
haha yeah, it's amazing how it can get addictive! I failed the other day and it went from 8 to 2 and I was like OMG, NOW I GOTTA FIX THIS! and I ended up failing like 4 times. So, last night I tried, since I had the elements and some tabs and failed like 4 more times. Then, I said "Screw this!" and bought some tabs, failed like 2-3 more times GRRRRRRR!!!!!

Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:21 pm
by JacksColon
Nader wrote:i used to get like that, i had these lvl 42 daggers i was getting ready for, so i went to pimp it, couldnt get str or int past1 on them -.- and the crit wouldnt go past 11...,
Dude, you're lucky! If I could get get crit 11, I"d be in heaven with these damn things

Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:22 pm
by whitesnow
Depending on your degree, make cheap ruby stones for your weapon and use those to try and assimilate the other stats ^_^
I would use certain useless stones that I got from destroying items at 8D on my equipment before really putting forth the expenses and effort to try and improve the item. One of the more recent successes was getting a shield to assimilate its block rate from 10 to 18 with a reinforcement stone.
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:25 pm
by JacksColon
whitesnow wrote:Depending on your degree, make cheap ruby stones for your weapon and use those to try and assimilate the other stats ^_^
I would use certain useless stones that I got from destroying items at 8D on my equipment before really putting forth the expenses and effort to try and improve the item. One of the more recent successes was getting a shield to assimilate its block rate from 10 to 18 with a reinforcement stone.
I got some of the other stats to improve. When I failed the crit, it reduced the % on my phys attack to +0% so I got the stats on that improved as well as the % up to like 80% I think. I'll post screens tonight if I remember.
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:27 pm
by Nader
JacksColon wrote:Nader wrote:i used to get like that, i had these lvl 42 daggers i was getting ready for, so i went to pimp it, couldnt get str or int past1 on them -.- and the crit wouldnt go past 11...,
Dude, you're lucky! If I could get get crit 11, I"d be in heaven with these damn things

but crit 11 isnt that good on daggers, it good, but not that good, max crit is 25
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:58 pm
by JacksColon
Nader wrote:JacksColon wrote:Nader wrote:i used to get like that, i had these lvl 42 daggers i was getting ready for, so i went to pimp it, couldnt get str or int past1 on them -.- and the crit wouldnt go past 11...,
Dude, you're lucky! If I could get get crit 11, I"d be in heaven with these damn things

but crit 11 isnt that good on daggers, it good, but not that good, max crit is 25
that's true. crit for daggers is insanely high. well, still, it's better than 2

Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:48 pm
by Rush4Life
I had a +4 lv 52 xbow, I thought: it needs STR
I added 1 stone: fail
The other stone gave me +5 str, I was kinda happy yeah.
So the other day, I thought, let's add Int, it can't hurt to have more int.
So I bought int stones, 4 failed. The last one (30% assimilation chance) succeeded, I checken my screen for any assimilations: my +5 Str went to +1

I just added 2 str stones, and now it's +3, but it was just so fckedup that it went to str1
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:20 pm
by JacksColon
Rush4Life wrote:I had a +4 lv 52 xbow, I thought: it needs STR
I added 1 stone: fail
The other stone gave me +5 str, I was kinda happy yeah.
So the other day, I thought, let's add Int, it can't hurt to have more int.
So I bought int stones, 4 failed. The last one (30% assimilation chance) succeeded, I checken my screen for any assimilations: my +5 Str went to +1

I just added 2 str stones, and now it's +3, but it was just so fckedup that it went to str1
EEK! Yes, I hate it when stuff like that happens. It's not bad enough it fails or w/e but it also has to screw up OTHER stats and blues etc.?! man, what a pain haha
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:12 pm
by VersaLicious
I'm gonna say keep trying and try to give the axes to sm1 else to fuse them 4 u, his luck might be better than urs(sm1 with a premium maybe)...
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:22 pm
by Berto

Yeah
Finally had some decent cash through all the trading/weekly pay and items I sold. Bought some strength stones, all 7 failed. I was rather upset

Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:52 pm
by JacksColon
VersaLicious wrote:I'm gonna say keep trying and try to give the axes to sm1 else to fuse them 4 u, his luck might be better than urs(sm1 with a premium maybe)...
I have premium
I might give 'em to ravey to do. she got my axes +5 in one try, so maybe she's luckier hehe
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:50 pm
by VersaLicious
JacksColon wrote:VersaLicious wrote:I'm gonna say keep trying and try to give the axes to sm1 else to fuse them 4 u, his luck might be better than urs(sm1 with a premium maybe)...
I have premium
I might give 'em to ravey to do. she got my axes +5 in one try, so maybe she's luckier hehe
nice and if u plan to use these Axes till the 90 cap...pimp them to the MAX

Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:05 pm
by ShadowReaver
it took me about 15 challenge stones to make my sword from 4 crit(0%) to 7.
and also when that happend, i got a freaking attribute assimilation which zeroed my mag attack.
so there's worth

Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:31 am
by jarrod
crit and br is the worst IMO...
spent like 30m , end up still at crit 2 LOL
but last nite was my day 2>>7 >>12 woot....enough for my glaive
not gonna touch it anymore

Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:49 am
by the_wicked
you know
they're called CHALLENGE stones for a reason XD
spent 30 mil ish on my sos 64 blade to get 10 =.=
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:51 am
by Itonami
Don't. Do. Alchemy. In. Town.
This seems to improve my alchemy success by 23752856%
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:05 am
by Nodame
<3 my cleric... no crit stones to worry about

Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:58 am
by piootr
I haven't done alchemy much because I never got into the higher levels, but im not looking forward to it from what i hear -_-
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:54 pm
by Aurelli
Well maybe that only works with me but i always do my alchemy right after the inspection and it always work .. So you should try that also

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Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:58 pm
by JacksColon
Aurelli wrote:Well maybe that only works with me but i always do my alchemy right after the inspection and it always work .. So you should try that also

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Unfortunately for me, "right after inspection" is about 2:30am or 3am on a weeknight. With work in the morning, there's no way I'm getting up to spend at least a half hour on alchemy

Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:21 pm
by Trice
Amelie wrote:probably crit and blocking ratio are the worst stats to do alchemy.
Lady Ame is right. If you got the money, keep on trying, or, try to get it up by assimilation via Int/Str, or Mag % (seems to work for me)
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:33 pm
by JacksColon
Trice wrote:Amelie wrote:probably crit and blocking ratio are the worst stats to do alchemy.
Lady Ame is right. If you got the money, keep on trying, or, try to get it up by assimilation via Int/Str, or Mag % (seems to work for me)
Yeah, that's my goal I think. I'm going to get as many blues as possible and hope for assimilation. I have some decent int/str on there now, but want to get that full. I'm grinding for stones and elements at the moment, so, yeah...I"ll try again soon

Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:13 pm
by Simpledeath2
I had 72+5 12c glavie 100% blues 74% phy and mag decnt reinforce.. So i needed to change att rating % white. Used a 10% stone. I had 2c lolz. After tons of stones I let my brother try first stone back to 12..
Keep trying some 10% then maybe if u got someone u can trust get them to try few stones...GL to you mate..
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:14 pm
by AngloKnight
hey Jack

Seriously, quit trying to increase the critical!!! ask me, I tried to increase the critical on Ciddy's xBow and it never ever got higher... it was like 10 or 11, I used over 25 challenge stones, yes, t-w-e-n-t-y f-i-v-e stones!!!!! like 7 succeeded out of the bloody 25+ stones and oh well, alchemy was successful critical 4 > 4 0% I was like ROFL, till this moment, tho I quit Rome, my character is still broke... so quit it!!!!! lol... try to try on another dual axe...
Re: Rant about Alchemy
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:15 pm
by TinkyWinky
i love alchemy
my 72-77 prot set is almost perfect, just missing, 1str, 10% parry, and 150MP,
my jewels is another story, 3 str and pretty much all immunes