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Well i was wondering how bad the pvp is on these servers with seals for 8D
How bad are the servers pre change drop rate of Seal weapons because i play on Odin and i have never seen a Seal weapon 8D and i believe that there is none appeared to what rev6 says too.
So the PVP is quite far and dosent range that much.
Does having SoSuns on the server make it good or bad?
I would like to hear your say.

hmmm..Sosun shud fight with Sosun too

They also should fight normal players. Personaly I can kill some of sun user`s from babel. They have a really huge dmg, but without a good way to use skill`s, there not much better.
It doesn`t matter what weapon or armor you use, you should pvp all the player`s you want to. If you pvp with a sun user, you may discover a good tatctic to pvp them.

every server after the euro patch (odin and onwards) has a fixed sosun rate. meaning sos is a rare find, som is super rare, and sosun is like winning the lottery.

in my opinion, these are the servers to plan on for fair gameplay. massive amounts of sosun was the worst move joymax ever did (right after not banning bots)

It farked up the pvp and jobbing...

In jobs I always like to get outnumbered (not too much...2 or 3 hunters against me) and thats fun..untill there comes a sun thief who pwns every hunter/trader that comes outside the gate...

Sun really ruined the jobbing/pvping for me but meh

Shouldn't that change next cap, if the sun rate for 9d isn't fked up things will be alot better, ya know, other then the bots still being around.

But yea, Xian has too many suns and loser botters with Full sun gear/weapon.

DarkJackal wrote:Shouldn't that change next cap, if the sun rate for 9d isn't fked up things will be alot better, ya know, other then the bots still being around.

But yea, Xian has too many suns and loser botters with Full sun gear/weapon.

Idd thats why I cant wait for the 90 cap..so those 8D sun become useless (for capped 90 players ofcourse)

Aren't 76 weapons stronger then 8D suns as well? Or lvl 80 ones at least.

DarkJackal wrote:Aren't 76 weapons stronger then 8D suns as well? Or lvl 80 ones at least.

If you believe nivlam 64 sun +7 is just a lil bit weaker than 80+6 (both glaives 100%, which is impossible to achieve but meh

DarkJackal wrote:Aren't 76 weapons stronger then 8D suns as well? Or lvl 80 ones at least.

Nah, SoSUN roughly means +15 (som +10, sos +5)
So a sosun lvl 64 weapon would be equally strong as a lvl 79 weapon (in theory).

MrBow wrote:

DarkJackal wrote:Aren't 76 weapons stronger then 8D suns as well? Or lvl 80 ones at least.

Nah, SoSUN roughly means +15 (som +10, sos +5)
So a sosun lvl 64 weapon would be equally strong as a lvl 79 weapon (in theory).

and 80 > 79, right? RIGHT?

XMoshe wrote:

MrBow wrote:

DarkJackal wrote:Aren't 76 weapons stronger then 8D suns as well? Or lvl 80 ones at least.

Nah, SoSUN roughly means +15 (som +10, sos +5)
So a sosun lvl 64 weapon would be equally strong as a lvl 79 weapon (in theory).

and 80 > 79, right? RIGHT?

right, i lost =[

the sosun noobs will just sell there sosuns and buy 76 sosun once found. was like that on xian from 70-80 cap. same people, same full sos/sosun, no power change at all. ur stuck with the elite of ur server cuz they are not going anywhere anytime soon.

Fly wrote:the sosun noobs will just sell there sosuns and buy 76 sosun once found. was like that on xian from 70-80 cap. same people, same full sos/sosun, no power change at all. ur stuck with the elite of ur server cuz they are not going anywhere anytime soon.

That can easily happen on Venus too lol, not just the earlier ones, point was though a few bots with some sun weapons is still better then most with full sun gears.

I like the chances if the rate for suns is gonna be normal.

And oh well, even at lvl 80 sun(+7) is decent, but then theres 85 lol ;d.

DarkJackal wrote:

Fly wrote:the sosun noobs will just sell there sosuns and buy 76 sosun once found. was like that on xian from 70-80 cap. same people, same full sos/sosun, no power change at all. ur stuck with the elite of ur server cuz they are not going anywhere anytime soon.

That can easily happen on Venus too lol, not just the earlier ones, point was though a few bots with some sun weapons is still better then most with full sun gears.

I like the chances if the rate for suns is gonna be normal.

And oh well, even at lvl 80 sun(+7) is decent, but then theres 85 lol ;d.

I'll be happy as long as the drop rate is how it should be...botters and/or goldbuyers will then have a HARD time getting sun pieces...almost impossible to get full sun, unlike now >.>

I still dont see sosuners in our server....

Not so big difference between sun +7 and 76+7
I dont really care, im already 80, and my weapon will be better then sun 8th

personally, I think the only suns on a server past 8D should be through merit, via honor points but then again that also means that botters will only powerlevel more and that'll create more stupid people begging for plvl in hotan.

Venus is nice, no suns, soms, sos. The fights have a little(just a little) more skill than spending 1k usd for a sosun+7 set.

Oasis is pretty much owned by Sun people. There is like 5 times as much sun as a year ago and if you dont have SUN you are more then likely considered "weak".

XMoshe wrote:

MrBow wrote:

DarkJackal wrote:Aren't 76 weapons stronger then 8D suns as well? Or lvl 80 ones at least.

Nah, SoSUN roughly means +15 (som +10, sos +5)
So a sosun lvl 64 weapon would be equally strong as a lvl 79 weapon (in theory).

and 80 > 79, right? RIGHT?

Seal of X got higher stats than normal weapons, that means this 79 seal weapon > 80.

Btw isn't lv76 the last weapon for 9D? At 90 cap, not 100. I know it's the first tier, but i'm thinking of the 70 cap, 8D only had the first tier until lv80 came, wont this happen to 9D too?

Akamaru wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

MrBow wrote:Nah, SoSUN roughly means +15 (som +10, sos +5)
So a sosun lvl 64 weapon would be equally strong as a lvl 79 weapon (in theory).

and 80 > 79, right? RIGHT?

Seal of X got higher stats than normal weapons, that means this 79 seal weapon > 80.

Lol, we're comparing 8D sun weapons (lvl 64 ) with lvl 80 weapons. Those higher stats make 64 sun weapons equally strong as a level 79 weapon. So no, probably normal lvl 80 weapon > 64 sosun weapon.

Nah, SoSUN roughly means +15 (som +10, sos +5)
So a sosun lvl 64 weapon would be equally strong as a lvl 79 weapon (in theory).[/quote]

and 80 > 79, right? RIGHT? [/quote]

Seal of X got higher stats than normal weapons, that means this 79 seal weapon > 80.

Btw isn't lv76 the last weapon for 9D? At 90 cap, not 100. I know it's the first tier, but i'm thinking of the 70 cap, 8D only had the first tier until lv80 came, wont this happen to 9D too?[/quote]

What are you trying to say? I dont really get it. Anyway, Lv76 will be first tier for 9D, then lv80 next is Lv85.
I m just wandering how much gonna cost for a sosun 9D since the drop rate for sosun is low. Hmm.. Maybe priceless ( coz the demand is more then supply, and everyone are afford to buy it) SoSUN 8D price gona sink into the drain .. Maybe 500m. XD

Akamaru wrote:Btw isn't lv76 the last weapon for 9D? At 90 cap, not 100. I know it's the first tier, but i'm thinking of the 70 cap, 8D only had the first tier until lv80 came, wont this happen to 9D too?

Nah, we'll get all tiers and all seals. At the 70 cap we only got tier 1 because the other tiers leaked over to level 77, at the 90 cap we'll get them all because 9D's tier's all end before Lv90 and dont leak over.

lol on athens theres probally more botters with full sun then there are legits but yeha you just need to go to dw south gate and you get pretty much blinded by the amount of sun

I've seen people with sosun weps lose to people with regular +7 weps. It's not the weapon thats so bad. It's the sosun armor. O_o

Fly wrote:the sosun noobs will just sell there sosuns and buy 76 sosun once found. was like that on xian from 70-80 cap. same people, same full sos/sosun, no power change at all. ur stuck with the elite of ur server cuz they are not going anywhere anytime soon.

Lol thats right...theres a person fully farmed at 80 cap on Rome who started sellin his full sosun set a loong time ago. Now he doesn't even play. The char just sits there with billions of gold while he waits for the 90 cap.

They should just remove som and sosun all together and leave sos.

John_Doe wrote:They should just remove som and sosun all together and leave sos.

Because a full sos set at the 70 cap wasn't at all like having a full sun set at this cap?

The only thing they need to do is leave it so that the drop rate is shit. That way, sun users are RARE, like they should be. Instead of having guilds with 5~6 full sun setters, and 20+ sun weapons, you'll have maybe 40 or 50 people on the whole server with at most 1 or 2 sun pieces.

MrBow wrote:

DarkJackal wrote:Aren't 76 weapons stronger then 8D suns as well? Or lvl 80 ones at least.

Nah, SoSUN roughly means +15 (som +10, sos +5)
So a sosun lvl 64 weapon would be equally strong as a lvl 79 weapon (in theory).

sos is +7 som +11 and sun +15 look at reinforce stats

Fuhito wrote:SOSun is NOT +15, that's just a rounded estimation and it changes at levels.

Also, a 64+4 is NOT the same as a lvl 68 weapon. The power changes between degrees and tiers.

Red text makes me look smart!

http://www.nivlam.com/weapon/

64+16 is 772~844
64 sosun +0 is 784~901