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How to beat Joymax

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:46 am
by BBBownsjoymax
Hello SRO players :)

I'm someone who used to play silkroad and gave up on it because I felt like this little guy: :banghead:

The game has an enormous amount of problems and joymax doesn't really care. But there is a way to make them care. Unfortunately none of you have heard of the BBB in the U.S. which is a government agency that monitors businesses and their practices.

No business wants the BBB breathing down their necks and oddly enough, joymax has had no reports at all! If you want to get something done then use this agency linked here: http://sanjose.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=68&bbb=1216&firm=237291

Have a major conplaint related to your account? Report it!
Joymax must reply to complaints sent to the BBB, but do not make a false report.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:58 am
by SuperTanker
hmm cool but wat does the report do to the company? will it take away their license so they cant let ppl play the game anymore? i wont want that to happen. but if its like 1st warning 2nd waring i will try it.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:01 am
by EvilDiablo
hopefully they'd either force joymax to sell the game, or they'd impose a heavy fine on joymax for their stupidity, but all in all, I wouldn't get my hopes up, cuz i dont think that joymax is ever gonna chang their ways, even if someone shoves a big size 15 boot up their ass

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:05 am
by Barotix
lets see what these BBB people can do maybe they'll force joymax to be the perfect company that every1 wants them to be

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:07 am
by EvilDiablo
lol definitely worth a shot, its not like it'll kill us....

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:08 am
by Jstar1
wow I didn't think about BBB until you mentioned it.

Instead of everyone spamming reports why don't we just make a report from SRF itself

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:16 am
by Faiien
spamming the "I hate JoymaX, scratch that, Gaymax" on srfs isnt gonna do anything except annoy the hell out of the norms here

get something done
dont whine about it :)

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:21 am
by jabbers
what exactly are you going to report them for? It's not the Better Botter Bureau, they probably won't respond to trivial complaints

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:22 am
by Faiien
iam guessing people are gonna report joymax for having a leak on their websites, putting their accounts in jeopardy, and not repaying hacked players who lost their accounts due to the security leak that was caused by Joymax
:)

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:24 am
by Midori
it's been done :roll:

it failed

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:24 am
by EvilDiablo
i dont know about anyone else, but an official report from the entire SRF to the BBB would be a great idea, we just need someone who's willing to help put it together

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:24 am
by nightbloom
jabbers wrote:what exactly are you going to report them for? It's not the Better Botter Bureau, they probably won't respond to trivial complaints


No, but the recent hacking and JoyMax's lack of upholding their end of their own agreement would be good. Everyone who got hacked should definitely make a report. ESPECIALLY ppl who had silk on their chars becuse JMs lack of security actually cost them money.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:25 am
by Faiien
X-Lax wrote:t's been done Rolling Eyes

it failed
oh rly? thats a shame :roll:

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:49 am
by Da_Realest
X-Lax wrote:it's been done :roll:

it failed


Customer Experience

The BBB processed a total of 0 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period.


EvilDiablo wrote:i dont know about anyone else, but an official report from the entire SRF to the BBB would be a great idea, we just need someone who's willing to help put it together

I agree.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:04 am
by Midori
Da_Realest wrote:
X-Lax wrote:it's been done :roll:

it failed


Customer Experience

The BBB processed a total of 0 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period.





i geuss the people who said they where gonna do it never did. (it was sro.net forums though lol)

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:06 am
by MiKe 51-50
Joymax headquarters are in Korea. Last time I checked BBB is a federal program which only works for USA based business. They could shut down our cali based joymax, but it wont stop Silkroad International based in korea.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:33 am
by BBBownsjoymax
Basically what the BBB does is force a dialog between the customer and the company. But do not use the BBB for things you are not prepared to discuss.

For example, if your account was banned for CCF and you did not do it you'd have to present your side of the argument. Even if joymax decides not to reinstate your account then it becomes either an administratively closed case or a case that was unresolved depending on how the BBB saw how the case was handled. Neither look good on a report though.

Keep in mind that this is not for small complaints.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:33 am
by Cruor
The only way I see anything getting done is if we get some people in Korea to report Joymax to a consumer protection agency there regarding the way they run international servers, but that may be a weak plan of attack depending on whether or not South Korea is considered to be an official service area for both kSRO and iSRO. Also, remember that Joymax was awarded for $1M USD exports last year, presumably by the President of South Korea, so we may be fighting the man as well. :P

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:21 pm
by Swindler
it is a free game, accept the problems or just dont play it.. omg..

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:28 pm
by Canabyss
Have you read the games Terms of Service?

Good luck breaking through that force field.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:36 pm
by MoonHawk
why to beat Joymax its a free game .

But i can agree the hacked accounts ,but there is ppl who can say they was hacked but they never was

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:40 pm
by Crumpets
Hmm yeah what Cruor said.

Also, what effect would an American board have on a Korean games company? If you took time to read through a few reports of Joymax you would realize the company is hailed. It gets crazy amounts of grants, and like Cruor said .. from people high up.


So this won't effect anything. Nice try tho.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:25 pm
by BBBownsjoymax
You guys have given up before even trying. I've seen what the BBB does to companies, for example:

A player was banned for hacking in a different game(also free). He sent a report to the BBB and sent an e-mail to the company saying he never used any hacks and that he'd sent in a report. The company responded before the BBB dialog was even opened saying that his account would be reactivated. The player then dropped his complaint since a solution was reached.

It's too bad you guys don't understand how this works. It doesn't matter if the game is free or costs money, you can still complain. And korean influence doesn't play a part here :wink: If joymax doesn't respond to your complaint then it is recorded as an unresolved issue. And a high number of unresolved issues could lead to the federal trade commission investigating your company.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:27 pm
by Snudge
How to beat Joymax


With a baseball bat.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:51 pm
by afiqk
dam thats really smart. maybe i should try that. where do i report my problems :D

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:56 pm
by Magnum357x

Sounds like a good idea but...
The game is free to play, noone made you buy silks...
If you don't like the game why don't you just stop? ...
Even tho it would be better with out the damn bots :D

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:08 pm
by BalkanFanaticS
Da_Realest wrote:
X-Lax wrote:it's been done :roll:

it failed


Customer Experience

The BBB processed a total of 0 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period.


EvilDiablo wrote:i dont know about anyone else, but an official report from the entire SRF to the BBB would be a great idea, we just need someone who's willing to help put it together

I agree.


thats bullshit .


X-Lax is right .
ive signed that bbb myself along with many others from offiicial forums half a yr ago . it had 100+ signs back then .

maybe they tried to do somthing but no luck and reset it to 0 .

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:09 pm
by Barotix
Magnum357x wrote:
Sounds like a good idea but...
The game is free to play, noone made you buy silks...
If you don't like the game why don't you just stop? ...
Even tho it would be better with out the damn bots :D

lol, dude you sound like a defeatist

OT; hmm well if we can get enough srfers and sro players in general to reach a consensus then maybe we can file a report.
[although i have my doubts alot of srf is like this dude above me]

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:13 pm
by Faiien
Magnum357x wrote:Sounds like a good idea but...
The game is free to play, noone made you buy silks...
If you don't like the game why don't you just stop? ...
Even tho it would be better with out the damn bots Very Happy
Why does everyone keep saying that? How does that have anything to do with the issue that Joymax had a security leak on their website that led to the hacking of hundreds of players?

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:42 pm
by WhereIsOsama
Faiien wrote:
Magnum357x wrote:Sounds like a good idea but...
The game is free to play, noone made you buy silks...
If you don't like the game why don't you just stop? ...
Even tho it would be better with out the damn bots Very Happy
Why does everyone keep saying that? How does that have anything to do with the issue that Joymax had a security leak on their website that led to the hacking of hundreds of players?


To answer your question, it's a matter of immaturity and or ignorance.