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Fortress war, how the damage really is calculated.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:12 pm
by Juey
It's not the union's total damage, but the guild's total damage on the structures that win you the Fortress.
If Joymax has been clearer on this, we would had a total change in tactic.
On pacific the guild Lost_soul from the union of Viet_4ever won the fortress.
I guess the damage is like this:
5ur34L union:
guild 1 10%
guild 2 10%
guild 3 10%
guild 4 10%
guild 5 15%
Total 55%
Viet_4ever union:
guild 1 2%
guild 2 2%
guild 3 2%
guild 4 2%
guild 5 37%
Total 45%
How ever the guild 5 in the viet union did 37% most out of all the guilds in total they get the fortress!
This is evident as the unio leader Viet_4ever didn't get the fortress as the case would be if its the union's total damage would be counted and not the individuell guilds damage.
Lost soul is clearly the largest guild on the server with almost all lv 80s.
If we knew this we would transfer all our high level in union in one guild as was suggested, but was dismissed because I believe it would be a union's total damage that would be count.
We out number them, we was actually holding the heart area when it got destroyed and some how Lost_Soul got to defend the fortress.
So GG we got owned based on wrong information and wrong tactic.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:14 pm
by Crumpets
Nope.
Our guild, only thing we attacked was the heart. Everything else we just sat back and picked people off.
Yet we won.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:16 pm
by Juey
Crumpets wrote:Nope.
Our guild, only thing we attacked was the heart. Everything else we just sat back and picked people off.
Yet we won.
your guild obviously did the most dmg to the heart out of all the other guilds
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:16 pm
by MrH
GG
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:20 pm
by borat2
shouldn't consider this siege as the perfect example for the next sieges but i think you are correct on the damage part
the guild that gets most damage on the heart itself won. other guilds are just there to help you do your damage that is probably how most of the guilds failed they were spread out defending different parts instead of giving each guild a job to do.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:21 pm
by Sethzor
Cry me a river.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:36 pm
by Crumpets
Juey wrote:Crumpets wrote:Nope.
Our guild, only thing we attacked was the heart. Everything else we just sat back and picked people off.
Yet we won.
your guild obviously did the most dmg to the heart out of all the other guilds
Yes but,
It's not the union's total damage, but the guild's total damage on the structures that win you the Fortress.
Main gate had 1.1m hp, recovery thing had like 500k. Random obstacles had like 100k.
Was my guild and a union guild attack the Heart, Thats the only thing our union attacked.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:44 pm
by MissLe2
very interesting thanks for your observations

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:47 pm
by mosiac
you didn't make a video of it? that's shocking.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:57 pm
by 7up
lots of ppl learning from the first war GL next week
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:57 pm
by Juey
mosiac wrote:you didn't make a video of it? that's shocking.
I made, but its too much, have to edit it later.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:04 pm
by darkmaster21
mosiac wrote:you didn't make a video of it? that's shocking.
LOL

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:38 pm
by Posei
darkmaster21 wrote:mosiac wrote:you didn't make a video of it? that's shocking.
LOL

I lol'd at that too haha.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:50 pm
by MrFudge
Posei wrote:darkmaster21 wrote:mosiac wrote:you didn't make a video of it? that's shocking.
LOL

I lol'd at that too haha.
HAHA.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:14 pm
by Davids
Accept the fact you got pwned

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:18 pm
by Juey
yeah yeah u can say what you want. When the war ended I really felt like I got the fortress robbed from me, I felt like shit. But now few hours later, it's almost like it never happened, a change in union and some strategy change, and better luck next time.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:20 pm
by Crumpets
Juey wrote:yeah yeah u can say what you want. When the war ended I really felt like I got the fortress robbed from me, I felt like shit. But now few hours later, it's almost like it never happened, a change in union and some strategy change, and better luck next time.
I felt the same war ,, ... sorta. Just reversed. I was 99% sure our guild name would NOT appear there cause we did **** all. Yet it did cause we ganked the heart.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:39 pm
by iGod
Hmm well i took out 1.5 obstacles solo so idk.. o0
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:43 pm
by [SD]Kratos
iGod wrote:Hmm well i took out 1.5 obstacles solo so idk.. o0
rofl , seems like u missed everything XD
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:24 pm
by DotCom
The guild who does the most damage to the heart wins.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:14 pm
by StacE
I agree with Juey, it should be the unions total damage and the title of ownership goes to the leading guild of the union.
Crumpets, Juey is saying the fortress owner is the guild that SOLELY does the most damage to the heart. There are NO other factors, which i agree is kinda dodgy. Sure, tactics on your part and i got no problem with you playing the way you did.
I'm curious as to how a european guild could hold the castle... Euro's rely heavily on their equipped waepons to keep them alive.
Certainly should be the union leaders title - because they are the union leader.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:44 pm
by _nova_
you have 3 mins to run to the heart after u attacked all the towers

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:44 pm
by torinchibi
First war wasn't much of a siege anyway, it was a race to the heart more than anything else. In 2 weeks, when we actually have opposing guilds on top protecting the heart, you wouldn't worry how to get more dmg on the heart but rather how to get there in the first place. You can kill 1 or 2 people camping the door, but in the end they can rez quite easily, while the people that die at the edge can't get rezed that easily because the cleric will die before getting close enough to rez.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:55 pm
by Snoopy
On Pacific this is what happened.
Viete_4Ever and union didn't kill much at all, Surreal, and Lisence_2kill killed majority of the obstacles. Then after we killed everything and got to the Heart, VietE started killing all of us, which was a smart decision on their part. That's how LosT_SouL got the fortress. Viete (Sun ccfers) killing everyone =p, and Lost Soul pounding the heart.
This isn't complaining nor whining, it's what i believed happened.
Once they got the fortress, Lisence_2kill, Hmong pride, and Surreal all worked together (well, the English speaking non-illiterate Turks/Germans) They being the only ones who attacked each other.
But for sure, one of the most funnest times I've had on Silkroad in a very VERY long time. Absolutely wonderful. Next time Juey, We will have a great union to go with it. (Hmong Pride / Lisence_2Kill etc.)
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:57 am
by jarrod
we knew it ....

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:23 am
by ZodiacKiller
it's the guild whoever did the most damage to the heart.
my guild on aege for example, a strong guild full of lvls 80 with euro's and sosun'd out players had to defend the weaker guilds that are hammering away. no matter if ur sun'd out or a underfarmed lvl 80 i keep seeing 300 damages from the hammers coming from everyone, it was best for the stronger guild to protect the weaker guilds and take 1 for the team and let a union guild win rather than to be greedy and risking a lost.
but i do agree that it should've been the whole union's damage for balance reasons.
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:12 am
by Crumpets
StacE wrote:
Crumpets, Juey is saying the fortress owner is the guild that SOLELY does the most damage to the heart. There are NO other factors, which i agree is kinda dodgy. Sure, tactics on your part and i got no problem with you playing the way you did.
I'm kinda sure he's saying it was based on all the structures total dmg. Whihc IMO is bullshit.
I guess we agree even tho you wrgonfulyl quote Juey.
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:19 am
by borat2
ZodiacKiller wrote:it's the guild whoever did the most damage to the heart.
my guild on aege for example, a strong guild full of lvls 80 with euro's and sosun'd out players had to defend the weaker guilds that are hammering away. no matter if ur sun'd out or a underfarmed lvl 80 i keep seeing 300 damages from the hammers coming from everyone, it was best for the stronger guild to protect the weaker guilds and take 1 for the team and let a union guild win rather than to be greedy and risking a lost.
but i do agree that it should've been the whole union's damage for balance reasons.
well that is the whole point of the castle.
to work as an union for the greater result.
this probably will be more important next siege since each guild has to work not only to defend the heart but to defend all other breach points.
maybe a bit of lack on information on joymax side but the result still count since its probably the union that had most people online and worked togheter that won on all servers.
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:26 pm
by Juey
Snoopy wrote:On Pacific this is what happened.
Viete_4Ever and union didn't kill much at all, Surreal, and Lisence_2kill killed majority of the obstacles. Then after we killed everything and got to the Heart, VietE started killing all of us, which was a smart decision on their part. That's how LosT_SouL got the fortress. Viete (Sun ccfers) killing everyone =p, and Lost Soul pounding the heart.
This isn't complaining nor whining, it's what i believed happened.
Once they got the fortress, Lisence_2kill, Hmong pride, and Surreal all worked together (well, the English speaking non-illiterate Turks/Germans) They being the only ones who attacked each other.
But for sure, one of the most funnest times I've had on Silkroad in a very VERY long time. Absolutely wonderful. Next time Juey, We will have a great union to go with it. (Hmong Pride / Lisence_2Kill etc.)
Well we were like wtf when we saw all those people at the heart waiting for us, then of course they zerked and got us by surprise. But we came back and killed all of them in the next round, but it was too late, they already done enough dmg on the heart while we were ressing, so we ended up with killing off the heart in vain, as our union were the only people there at the heart was dying.
They had an entire guild using hammers, while there were about 2-3 people from each guild in our union using hammers. No wonder an outside r guild got the fortress.
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:30 am
by IguanaRampage
Quick question Juey my man,
How did you fare as a rogue/bard in the fortress? Did you get many kills? Or was it the wizards' aoes that saved the day / got the overwhelmingly large number of kills?
But yeah you probably should've done more research on fortress war. FrancFranc's videos made it quite clear that the GUILD wins the fortress war. Anyway, better luck next time, if you can all wake up that is.

I know I definitely couldn't. Viete is still gonna do really well though... make sure to eliminate them early on
