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Opinion: Alchemy is Rigged
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:04 pm
by Wello27
Alchemy is Random: BULLSHIT
Alchemy I find is rigged in this game.
The Astrals and Gold Selling are 2 reasons why I believe its rigged.
Astrals direct from official Premium Mall.
And I have no doubts that Joymax is involved in Gold Selling, they rigged the game to encourage players to buy gold. You don't have to, but obsessed MMO who want the best will certainly will.
I've believed this for quite sometime now, ever since alchemy was introduced.
But something never really discussed with others, but has always bothered me.
Rigged Alchemy:
Alchemy by description is supposedly random.
Any mathmetician will agree that Silkroad Alchemy is not random.
The range of % increase 0-100%
You have 5 Alchemy Stones. You succeed all 5 times. 2 times you get 0%. 3 times you get 22%.
To get 22% 3 times in a row randomly from a range of 0-100% is not chance, that's not random.
If you also look at the majority of weapons: How many weapons do you see with the following %. 42%. 61% and 22%. How is it random that you may see from 10 weapons, that 5 have 42% magic attack and 3 have 61%?
This cannot be random. Its fixed. Hence making Alchemy so expensive, where the game has been rigged to provide 0% success and high fail rate.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:08 pm
by -.-
but things tend to cluster together when random
its a math fact too
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:09 pm
by raged!
don't use it?
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:13 pm
by doomas
If you fail 10 out of 10 times that doesn't mean that the rates are 0%...
And about the stats. Example: You have a weapon with 2cr (0%) and then you raise cr to 10 (80%) But you can't get like 75% crit because that should be 7.5crit value and that's not possible. Same with other stats
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:15 pm
by MrBow
You have had some bad experiences with alchemy?
This post looks like an ordinary rant post about someone having real bad luck, it only transformed into these words and this subject.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:16 pm
by torrentz
hehe i just bought a lvl 52+3 spear, i failed trying to get it to +4 then all in 1 turn +d it all the way to +5. im happy
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:47 pm
by Nixie
It's a random number of there: 0, 22, 42, 61
Even if it's 4 numbers, its's still random (j/k)...
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:50 pm
by Gh0d
Alchemy is not rigged...It's farked up
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:52 pm
by Woohoo
how many weapon out there do you see a physical attack power over 71%, I got two 72 bow. One is 71% and another is 74%. For some reason, after over 100 weapon elixir used, I can never get it to +5. Yes it's rigged.
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:52 pm
by Waisha
IMO alchemy should be even tougher than it is now. That's the easiest way to keep up with the gold inflation. Even JM could manage doing it.
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:43 am
by AkillerNXC
Why do people even post whining topics? It's a waste of your time.
Something new plx.
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:32 pm
by Nixie
I don't threat this as a whining myself. It's just to show everybody else that the alchemy in not really random. But I don't know what the topic started wanted to say... (whining or not)
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:49 pm
by thAi
Alchemy has always been good to me
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:53 pm
by Vandango
A Computer Can never Generate a Random Number It Only Looks like its Random
knowing JM's shitty coding thats prolly the only %'s they put in there but 100% is possible just very unlikley
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:56 pm
by Allig2948
sjakuzmo lost his Sun bow from alchemy. He had Immortal and everything when he was +7ing his bow.
As for, My alchemy is good. As of now. So far I got Str 5 Int 5, Durability 100% ect ect on two piece of my garm set.
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:03 pm
by the_wicked
my blade went +6 two times and failed 7 both -.-
spent 50M in alchemy yesterday ><
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:07 pm
by Luoma
Different gear/weapons have different luck chance on them, says so in ingame help.
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:06 am
by Nixie
Karlos Vandango wrote:A Computer Can never Generate a Random Number It Only Looks like its Random
It is not random, as you said, it uses the current time and such in the formula, but still, if you put in 100 numbers, they won't repeat in the same order. Why? Each second that is gone, new random numbers and also all the other numbers that you have to include into the calculation.
Anyway, it was spoken of the "Silkroad randomness"...
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:35 am
by whitesnow
Luoma wrote:Different gear/weapons have different luck chance on them, says so in ingame help.
Are we supposed to believe everything the game tells us? We all know the various typos and misleading information that Joymax gives us. In an interview with either Gargamel or morningdew (i dont remember which), they said that alchemy success rates did not differ from item to item. Honestly, I believe that to be the case. "Bad luck" does happen.
The % that you get from the ruby stones or assimilation is usually either 0, 22, 41, 61, 80, or 100. In cases where those exact numbers cant be obtained (i.e. crit/block rate/etc)....they're rounded to the closest possible value. Its a big failure in their alchemy system in my opinion, but it would be hard to code it so that every % from 0 to 100 was available with higher values being harder to obtain.
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:38 am
by StacE
Luoma is right... And it CERTAINLY feels this way in actually doing alchemy. Some items go +1-9 no fails. Others literally CANNOT get past +2. I've had experiences with these items and they are nasty things.
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:41 am
by Luoma
Yupp, thanks for that StacE
@whitesnow, mupp
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:59 am
by Nixie
whitesnow wrote:Luoma wrote:Different gear/weapons have different luck chance on them, says so in ingame help.
Are we supposed to believe everything the game tells us? We all know the various typos and misleading information that Joymax gives us. In an interview with either Gargamel or morningdew (i dont remember which), they said that alchemy success rates did not differ from item to item. Honestly, I believe that to be the case. "Bad luck" does happen.
The % that you get from the ruby stones or assimilation is usually either 0, 22, 41, 61, 80, or 100. In cases where those exact numbers cant be obtained (i.e. crit/block rate/etc)....they're rounded to the closest possible value. Its a big failure in their alchemy system in my opinion, but it would be hard to code it so that every % from 0 to 100 was available with higher values being harder to obtain.
Not really that hard to code in my opinion... just make up a random number from 1 to 348550 first.
The bigger the percent, the smaller the chance to get it.
348550 - PERCENT * PERCENT
Here is a "table" with the results.
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1%: up to 348550
difference: 4
2%: up to 348546
difference: 9
3%: up to 348537
difference: 16
4%: up to 348521
difference: 25
5%: up to 348496
difference: 36
6%: up to 348460
difference: 49
7%: up to 348411
difference: 64
8%: up to 348347
difference: 81
9%: up to 348266
difference: 100
10%: up to 348166
difference: 121
11%: up to 348045
difference: 144
12%: up to 347901
difference: 169
13%: up to 347732
difference: 196
14%: up to 347536
difference: 225
15%: up to 347311
difference: 256
16%: up to 347055
difference: 289
17%: up to 346766
difference: 324
18%: up to 346442
difference: 361
19%: up to 346081
difference: 400
20%: up to 345681
difference: 441
21%: up to 345240
difference: 484
22%: up to 344756
difference: 529
23%: up to 344227
difference: 576
24%: up to 343651
difference: 625
25%: up to 343026
difference: 676
26%: up to 342350
difference: 729
27%: up to 341621
difference: 784
28%: up to 340837
difference: 841
29%: up to 339996
difference: 900
30%: up to 339096
difference: 961
31%: up to 338135
difference: 1024
32%: up to 337111
difference: 1089
33%: up to 336022
difference: 1156
34%: up to 334866
difference: 1225
35%: up to 333641
difference: 1296
36%: up to 332345
difference: 1369
37%: up to 330976
difference: 1444
38%: up to 329532
difference: 1521
39%: up to 328011
difference: 1600
40%: up to 326411
difference: 1681
41%: up to 324730
difference: 1764
42%: up to 322966
difference: 1849
43%: up to 321117
difference: 1936
44%: up to 319181
difference: 2025
45%: up to 317156
difference: 2116
46%: up to 315040
difference: 2209
47%: up to 312831
difference: 2304
48%: up to 310527
difference: 2401
49%: up to 308126
difference: 2500
50%: up to 305626
difference: 2601
51%: up to 303025
difference: 2704
52%: up to 300321
difference: 2809
53%: up to 297512
difference: 2916
54%: up to 294596
difference: 3025
55%: up to 291571
difference: 3136
56%: up to 288435
difference: 3249
57%: up to 285186
difference: 3364
58%: up to 281822
difference: 3481
59%: up to 278341
difference: 3600
60%: up to 274741
difference: 3721
61%: up to 271020
difference: 3844
62%: up to 267176
difference: 3969
63%: up to 263207
difference: 4096
64%: up to 259111
difference: 4225
65%: up to 254886
difference: 4356
66%: up to 250530
difference: 4489
67%: up to 246041
difference: 4624
68%: up to 241417
difference: 4761
69%: up to 236656
difference: 4900
70%: up to 231756
difference: 5041
71%: up to 226715
difference: 5184
72%: up to 221531
difference: 5329
73%: up to 216202
difference: 5476
74%: up to 210726
difference: 5625
75%: up to 205101
difference: 5776
76%: up to 199325
difference: 5929
77%: up to 193396
difference: 6084
78%: up to 187312
difference: 6241
79%: up to 181071
difference: 6400
80%: up to 174671
difference: 6561
81%: up to 168110
difference: 6724
82%: up to 161386
difference: 6889
83%: up to 154497
difference: 7056
84%: up to 147441
difference: 7225
85%: up to 140216
difference: 7396
86%: up to 132820
difference: 7569
87%: up to 125251
difference: 7744
88%: up to 117507
difference: 7921
89%: up to 109586
difference: 8100
90%: up to 101486
difference: 8281
91%: up to 93205
difference: 8464
92%: up to 84741
difference: 8649
93%: up to 76092
difference: 8836
94%: up to 67256
difference: 9025
95%: up to 58231
difference: 9216
96%: up to 49015
difference: 9409
97%: up to 39606
difference: 9604
98%: up to 30002
difference: 9801
99%: up to 20201
difference: 10000
100%: up to 10201
Also, if you take for example 80 percent (174671). You MUST ignore numbers up to 168110, because those are for 81% and above.
The function took me maybe 5 minutes to write...
And you'll see, the difference between 1 and 2, 2 and 3, 3 and 4... 98 and 99, 99 and 100 is getting larger.
Edit: of course this table would have to be reverted in a script to first check if the number is 10201 or less, 20201 or less and so on... ^^
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:17 am
by PrincessChei2x
its not rigged lol. its just totally random. believe me, iv destroyed rondo and alchemy hundreds of stones/materials already ( except for astral, uprading clang clang clang failed coz it just too expensive and stupid to buy or make one rather than buying a ready made weapon/gear)
totally random. ( this is my own point of view)
but about the gold bots, i think gaymax has something to do with it somehow.