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Warrior/Cleric or Warrior/Bard
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:27 pm
by blackh4t
Okey so I wanna revive this big question ... Which is better ? In my opinion its Warrior/Cleric and I was convinced that it was better but lately ppl are talking that Bard Sub is a lot better ... I want your opinions ... I will let you know why I chose Cleric as a Sub...
Warrior/Cleric
First of all Warrior/Cleric has 3 skills that I can use as a Warrior its first and the best one Bless. For 45 sec with Bless no1 my lvl can kill me ... I am 50 lvl and against 57 nuker I survived every nuke with bless ... And on 60+ lvl I will have Mana skin skill that gives me Magic Defense go wild and combining with Iron skin it gives me immortality for another 45 sec so in total 90 sec you will be unbeatable ...
Another skill that cleric give is Holy Word ... It will reduce a lot of Weakining series and bad status like Curse etc.
And third and final is Recovery Division. It heals char for 300 sec.
And this helps a lot in PvP and Jobing ... On the other side we have,
Warrior/Bard
I heard it has 2 skills we can use as a Bard Subclass ... Its noise and moving march ...
Noise, I am not sure but I think it makes Offensive mobs Defensive xD , for example Mujigis wont attack you when you have it on ... Its great skill for Wizzards .. But as a Warrior I really dont need it as I can take on Party mobs easily ...
Second skill is Moving march, and this skill really helps ... It makes char to run faster and since most warriors use Heavy Armor it is great ... But I use Light Armor and I have Scrolls and there is pots to buy outthere so I am not really going to change to bard only because this skill ...
So my question is do you agree with me or disagree ... If you disagree pls write some reasons for it ...
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:29 pm
by MrBow
soloplay / pve = warrior bard
partyplay / pvp = warrior cleric
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:35 pm
by ColourBlind
MrBow wrote:soloplay / pve = warrior bard
partyplay / pvp = warrior cleric
Couldn't of said it better myself
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:35 pm
by IceCrash
go warrior bard please
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:12 pm
by doomas
Bard for faster lvling (with moving march) then at high lvl switch to cleric for better pvp
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:20 pm
by EngravedDemon
To add...
PvP = Warrior/Cleric, especially 2H... No brainer there...
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:52 pm
by blackh4t
Yea but why would I change to Bard only because of Moving march .. Since I have scrolls Light Armor and I can buy speed pots ...
EDIT: end I want to make PvP build ...
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:57 pm
by IceCrash
blackh4t wrote:Yea but why would I change to Bard only because of Moving march .. Since I have scrolls Light Armor and I can buy speed pots ...
EDIT: end I want to make PvP build ...
then dont make a warrior pl0x
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:04 pm
by blackh4t
[PPC]IceCrash wrote:blackh4t wrote:Yea but why would I change to Bard only because of Moving march .. Since I have scrolls Light Armor and I can buy speed pots ...
EDIT: end I want to make PvP build ...
then dont make a warrior pl0x
lolz 2h warrior owns in PvP ... Wizz one hits but he is being one hitted too ... with 1h i can kill 5 lvls higher ...
And there is third option that I forgot to mention xD ...
Warlock as a subb ? What do you think about this ? It has some great debuffs ...
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:18 pm
by Psylonite
blackh4t wrote:And there is third option that I forgot to mention xD ... Warlock as a subb ? What do you think about this ? It has some great debuffs ...
Anyone with the expensive pills or a cleric will render the debuffs useless. Cleric, overall, is the best choice as a subclass for the reasons above.
I've always wondered how a 2hWarrior/Wizard using teleport (chinese equivalent of phantom), vigors/grains (anti-autopot), expensive pills (immunity), and drugs of typhoon (speed) would do though. E.g., Invisible -> run/teleport behind enemy -> equip 2h -> daredevil sounds almost as deadly as stealth -> prick, especially with the high critical rate from passive.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:28 pm
by blackh4t
Psylonite wrote:blackh4t wrote:And there is third option that I forgot to mention xD ... Warlock as a subb ? What do you think about this ? It has some great debuffs ...
Anyone with the expensive pills or a cleric will render the debuffs useless. Cleric, overall, is the best choice as a subclass for the reasons above.
I've always wondered how a 2hWarrior/Wizard using teleport (chinese equivalent of phantom), vigors/grains (anti-autopot), expensive pills (immunity), and drugs of typhoon (speed) would do though. E.g., Invisible -> run/teleport behind enemy -> equip 2h -> daredevil sounds almost as deadly as stealth -> prick, especially with the high critical rate from passive.
In theory it sounds good but I dont know I think too much risk xD and you couldnt be Pure Str probably ...
And about warlock there is some vid out there about Warrior/Warlock and it made me think about that Sub Class for Warrior xD
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:34 pm
by Da_Realest
blackh4t wrote:Psylonite wrote:blackh4t wrote:And there is third option that I forgot to mention xD ... Warlock as a subb ? What do you think about this ? It has some great debuffs ...
Anyone with the expensive pills or a cleric will render the debuffs useless. Cleric, overall, is the best choice as a subclass for the reasons above.
I've always wondered how a 2hWarrior/Wizard using teleport (chinese equivalent of phantom), vigors/grains (anti-autopot), expensive pills (immunity), and drugs of typhoon (speed) would do though. E.g., Invisible -> run/teleport behind enemy -> equip 2h -> daredevil sounds almost as deadly as stealth -> prick, especially with the high critical rate from passive.
In theory it sounds good but I dont know I think too much risk xD and you couldnt be Pure Str probably ...
And about warlock there is some vid out there about Warrior/Warlock and it made me think about that Sub Class for Warrior xD
Going with warlock as a sub is probably one of the worst choices a warrior could make....
I suggest going with bard sub. As a euro there are going to be times where you can't leave safe zone due to the number or types of opponents. Dances and other bard buffs are quite effective. If you only care about 1v1, Cleric would be better.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:35 pm
by VforVendetta
Agreed Warrior & Warlock is possibly the most stupid imaginable thing since Pure int Rogues....
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:38 pm
by StacE
Ewww, what kinda of noob would be a Warrior/Warlock.
Such a bad idea
Some people
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:41 pm
by Puni
You should go Warrior (dual axes) / bard fast attacks fast running speed and noise is usefull also for partyplay the dances and Mana cycle are way more usefull then people think
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:42 pm
by Da_Realest
I guess you don't know how to fight one...
If you didn't know already, stun, sleep, bloody trap, warlock absorb hp skill, and debuffs don't work against walls. I also think you can't kd or knockback anyone with a wall up.
Its simple.
Cast Firewall. The warlock sub is rendered useless and the warrior can't break the wall because it only does str attacks.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:53 pm
by VforVendetta
Da_Realest wrote:I guess you don't know how to fight one...
If you didn't know already, stun, sleep, bloody trap, warlock absorb hp skill, and debuffs don't work against walls. I also think you can't kd or knockback anyone with a wall up.
Its simple.
Cast Firewall. The warlock sub is rendered useless and the warrior can't break the wall because it only does str attacks.
Your absolutely right man, any Warrior Warlock out there is useless cause of any of these kinda things, just never bother doing this build ever...
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:55 pm
by IceCrash
yea just go bard please, i beg you to go bard kay?
and yea i couldnt agree more that warlock/warrior is RIDICULOUS ZOMFGKKTHXBAI!
And cleric is the sux too, so.
Dual Axes/Bard kkay? Thanks
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:43 pm
by Zing
Why Go Cleric:
Healing Cycle/Healing Orbit: An actual second auto-potion skill that heals you every second for sixteen seconds. The casting time is instant when used. You can describe it as a Chinese's potion delay. Switching weapons and recasting this skill is not a problem at all.
Recovery Division: This skill is basically the slower, but longer version of HC/HO (above skill). For five minutes, it'll heal you 455+ health points (depending on the skill level) for around every five seconds.
Holy Spell/Holy Word: This skill gives you immunity or reduce bad status except faint and freeze (Holy Word) and bad status status attacks such as stun and petrify (Holy Spell). Holy Word gives you the ability to buff yourself or anyone you want, though it has a pretty long cool down. Holy Spell gives everyone in the party the buff when used.
Body Blessing/Soul Blessing/Body Deity: Both skills can give anyone the defense buff of magical (Soul) or physical (Body) and stays on even if you switch weapons. Though it comes off if the buff is on you. Pretty much like warrior's screens.
Revive/Group Reverse/Reverse Oblation:
-Revive is self-explanatory. It revives anyone depending on skill level.
-Group Reverse is basically like the skill revive but can revive 8 people in total in a party.
-Reverse Oblation also revives but gives the player whom you revived buffs such as physical/magical absorption, and HP increase, magical/physical damage reduce, but when buffs are completed, you will lose 20% of your HP and MP.
Heaven Flash/Heaven Glare: Can stop players in their tracks 80% of the time. Great for catching those fast Chinese.
and last but not least. (An incredible skill)
Bless Spell: This skills gives you an enormous amount of defense buff for both magical and physical. Giving you 45 seconds to be unable to be killed. Works great with warrior's skins if used strategically.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:49 pm
by Naigasakis_Rebirth
Bless spell and recovery division are reason enough IMO
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:14 pm
by rumpleKillskin
Seriously, warrior/warlock is a nooby build. I mean your not even pure int! Noobs these days, they are probably the weakest build
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:15 pm
by Draine
Warrios/cleric... Because de buffz..
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:15 pm
by blackh4t
Ok this is the vid I saw of Warrior/Warlock ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6xWaSD_4fQ
And myself I prefer Warrior/Cleric ... But seriously on this vid it looks awesome ...
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:15 pm
by IceCrash
rumpleKillskin wrote:Seriously, warrior/warlock is a nooby build. I mean your not even pure int! Noobs these days, they are probably the weakest build
and so si cleric, but they dont understand >.>
anyways, login mate, theres some p to the l to the v going on ^_^
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:42 pm
by foudre
as for a wizzard sub class i had a freind on mercury go sub wizzard, and it was effect, no one expects a warrior to teleport, let alone have a warrior drop out of invisible on them
a sub warlock was pretty damn good but i couldn't enjoy it, too many skills needed, and so much mp (i don't like having to empty my mp bar on someone twice)
sub cleric
probally the best choice, bless, body blessing, mind blessing, holy word, and reverses, make you and your team hard to kill
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:02 pm
by IceCrash
foudre wrote:as for a wizzard sub class i had a freind on mercury go sub wizzard, and it was effect, no one expects a warrior to teleport, let alone have a warrior drop out of invisible on them
a sub warlock was pretty damn good but i couldn't enjoy it, too many skills needed, and so much mp (i don't like having to empty my mp bar on someone twice)
sub cleric
probally the best choice, bless, body blessing, mind blessing, holy word, and reverses, make you and your team hard to kill
ok, imma be serious now.
Bard is the easiest sub to have, beeing a warrior.
Warlock and Cleric as sub masteries require you to be smart, fast, and truly know about silkroad.
As a warrior/warlock, you need to have a nice tactic, and know what to do first, and have a good timing, otherwise ur ......
Dont think its easy, cause if it would, 90% of the warriors in athens would pwn and they dont.
And in my opinion as a warrior cleric, it takes a lot of skill to keep ur party alive, and to still do ur shizz, change to cleric, buff, heal, then u have to know when to stop healing or when to stop, then buff ppl with warrior again do screens bla bla bla bla.
Humpf, yes, im tired alredy just by typing this.
Anyways, summary is that both Warrior/Warlock and Warrior/Cleric require a lot of skill and some intelligence as well as silkroad aknowledge.
So i dont advise everyone going that way, and advise you to go bard cause its easier to get good at it, you mainly have to worry about only beeing a warrior, and the bard part is easy. Well a lot easier than warlock and cleric.
I think that, Warrior/Cleric, i call it the Life Warrior,Warrior/Warlock, Death Warrior.
Well, hope this helped in any way. kkthxbai peace ^_^
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:32 pm
by foudre
[PPC]IceCrash wrote:foudre wrote:as for a wizzard sub class i had a freind on mercury go sub wizzard, and it was effect, no one expects a warrior to teleport, let alone have a warrior drop out of invisible on them
a sub warlock was pretty damn good but i couldn't enjoy it, too many skills needed, and so much mp (i don't like having to empty my mp bar on someone twice)
sub cleric
probally the best choice, bless, body blessing, mind blessing, holy word, and reverses, make you and your team hard to kill
ok, imma be serious now.
Bard is the easiest sub to have, beeing a warrior.
Warlock and Cleric as sub masteries require you to be smart, fast, and truly know about silkroad.
As a warrior/warlock, you need to have a nice tactic, and know what to do first, and have a good timing, otherwise ur ......
Dont think its easy, cause if it would, 90% of the warriors in athens would pwn and they dont.
And in my opinion as a warrior cleric, it takes a lot of skill to keep ur party alive, and to still do ur shizz, change to cleric, buff, heal, then u have to know when to stop healing or when to stop, then buff ppl with warrior again do screens bla bla bla bla.
Humpf, yes, im tired alredy just by typing this.
Anyways, summary is that both Warrior/Warlock and Warrior/Cleric require a lot of skill and some intelligence as well as silkroad aknowledge.
So i dont advise everyone going that way, and advise you to go bard cause its easier to get good at it, you mainly have to worry about only beeing a warrior, and the bard part is easy. Well a lot easier than warlock and cleric.
I think that, Warrior/Cleric, i call it the Life Warrior,Warrior/Warlock, Death Warrior.
Well, hope this helped in any way. kkthxbai peace ^_^
lol, i just skiped the healing skills so no one looks to me for healing,but i'm a good enough tank they shodulnt' need me to heal, keeping them alive means keeping them buffed, and keeping the mobs of them. And if you have a party with 3 or more people who can do bless, it means non stop bless, if they keep it up, and non stop bless means you're party is hard to kill, add to the number of people who can do this it'll improve your party more then moving march
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:04 pm
by IceCrash
foudre wrote:[PPC]IceCrash wrote:foudre wrote:as for a wizzard sub class i had a freind on mercury go sub wizzard, and it was effect, no one expects a warrior to teleport, let alone have a warrior drop out of invisible on them
a sub warlock was pretty damn good but i couldn't enjoy it, too many skills needed, and so much mp (i don't like having to empty my mp bar on someone twice)
sub cleric
probally the best choice, bless, body blessing, mind blessing, holy word, and reverses, make you and your team hard to kill
ok, imma be serious now.
Bard is the easiest sub to have, beeing a warrior.
Warlock and Cleric as sub masteries require you to be smart, fast, and truly know about silkroad.
As a warrior/warlock, you need to have a nice tactic, and know what to do first, and have a good timing, otherwise ur ......
Dont think its easy, cause if it would, 90% of the warriors in athens would pwn and they dont.
And in my opinion as a warrior cleric, it takes a lot of skill to keep ur party alive, and to still do ur shizz, change to cleric, buff, heal, then u have to know when to stop healing or when to stop, then buff ppl with warrior again do screens bla bla bla bla.
Humpf, yes, im tired alredy just by typing this.
Anyways, summary is that both Warrior/Warlock and Warrior/Cleric require a lot of skill and some intelligence as well as silkroad aknowledge.
So i dont advise everyone going that way, and advise you to go bard cause its easier to get good at it, you mainly have to worry about only beeing a warrior, and the bard part is easy. Well a lot easier than warlock and cleric.
I think that, Warrior/Cleric, i call it the Life Warrior,Warrior/Warlock, Death Warrior.
Well, hope this helped in any way. kkthxbai peace ^_^
lol, i just skiped the healing skills so no one looks to me for healing,but i'm a good enough tank they shodulnt' need me to heal, keeping them alive means keeping them buffed, and keeping the mobs of them. And if you have a party with 3 or more people who can do bless, it means non stop bless, if they keep it up, and non stop bless means you're party is hard to kill, add to the number of people who can do this it'll improve your party more then moving march
lol, when u neeed to heal, change to cleric, bless spell, healing skills, change back to sword, buff agaian and there you go.
but well, i like to be prepared for everything so, nvm wht i said xD