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What determines who hit first?
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:16 pm
by Juey
If two people same level, same mastery attacking each other with same skill, what will decide who gets the first hit in?
For example in a lv 80 fully farmed rogue fight with 2 rogues. Both are under steatlh, both stand 15 meters from each other, both have stealth detect on so they can see each other. Then they both start pricking each other, but they have to walk closer each other first. Finally when they are next to each other the pricking will start.
But what factor decides who hit first?
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:17 pm
by Rainigul
Whoever does more damage.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:17 pm
by Embodiment
LAGG! whoever got the less hit 1st lol.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:18 pm
by PB_and_J
Those with the faster comp/conection.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:18 pm
by Juey
[SD]Rainigul wrote:Whoever does more damage.
are u being serious? Because this doesn't make any sense. Why would damage matter.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:19 pm
by UniQ
the one with the best internet connection will be first i think...
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:21 pm
by Juey
Lag and connection speed??
What about Hit ratio, which I've always thought helps hit faster.
In other games, the higher your Dexterity is the faster u will hit, so against low dex people u will get the first hit in.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:22 pm
by Hellraider
I think there is a random timer in when you would attack, his could be slower.
I see it too when i auto-attack someone, some slashes are faster then other slashes.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:23 pm
by _SomeOne_
Juey wrote:Lag and connection speed??
What about Hit ratio, which I've always thought helps hit faster.
In other games, the higher your Dexterity is the faster u will hit, so against low dex people u will get the first hit in.
hit ratio means u will get a better % of hitting higher
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:24 pm
by DragonTalon
Juey wrote:[SD]Rainigul wrote:Whoever does more damage.
are u being serious? Because this doesn't make any sense. Why would damage matter.
No its damage trust me. The only way for the weaker char to damage first is if he starts the attack faster. Other than that if they start at the same time its whoever does the most.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:42 pm
by Silver0
Its dmg if you hit weaker then your skill cancels and they get the kill you can even time it but icould also be a double KO
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:48 pm
by Juey
Silver0 wrote:Its dmg if you hit weaker then your skill cancels and they get the kill you can even time it but icould also be a double KO
Uhm I never said anything about 1 hit KO, those rogues cant kill each other in 1 hit, they need a follow up combo. So its the one that prick first, then first to do the follow up combo that wins. Not just the first first prick.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:51 pm
by Rainigul
Juey wrote:Silver0 wrote:Its dmg if you hit weaker then your skill cancels and they get the kill you can even time it but icould also be a double KO
Uhm I never said anything about 1 hit KO, those rogues cant kill each other in 1 hit, they need a follow up combo. So its the one that prick first, then first to do the follow up combo that wins. Not just the first first prick.
But it would be first to do combo, y'know?
Damage is the determining factor, lag too, but in a perfect, lag-free world, it's damage.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:53 pm
by Juey
[SD]Rainigul wrote:Juey wrote:Silver0 wrote:Its dmg if you hit weaker then your skill cancels and they get the kill you can even time it but icould also be a double KO
Uhm I never said anything about 1 hit KO, those rogues cant kill each other in 1 hit, they need a follow up combo. So its the one that prick first, then first to do the follow up combo that wins. Not just the first first prick.
But it would be first to do combo, y'know?
I know, I just said that in my post...First one to do the follow up combo wins. it doesnt matter if the other guy do more or less dmg, cuz he will be dead anyway.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:57 pm
by Inferno_X
I thought this topic was gonna be about Halo 3(not going to explain).
Nevertheless, I think it determines who presses the attack button first. Assuming they're both using attacks that use the same speed.
I've never noticed any difficulties about being or getting attacked first.
But then again..I always catch my opponents off guard(or run around without pots on attacking lv. 80's..whichever suits my mood)
Oh and..hi _SomeOne_!
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:19 am
by Vindicator
They could both die, if your assuming an exact hit at the same time. So many times ives stunned my opponent and they kded me, or stunned me, and we both just sit there retarded. Assuming the same scenario but with killing blows...you both die is the best guess. There is no way to attack faster, all attacks are the same speed.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:22 am
by Fat_Smurf
if both guy start the atatck at same time, if one of them can instant kill the other will stop his action and die.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:23 am
by XemnasXD
Vindicator wrote:They could both die, if your assuming an exact hit at the same time. So many times ives stunned my opponent and they kded me, or stunned me, and we both just sit there retarded. Assuming the same scenario but with killing blows...you both die is the best guess. There is no way to attack faster, all attacks are the same speed.
what he said....
We've all been in battles that ended with both parties killing themselves same thing would happen here....however if someone was off even by a foot then it would go to the person who reached the other guy first....
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:28 am
by _SomeOne_
Inferno_X wrote:Oh and..hi _SomeOne_!
hey

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:28 am
by Aby
First person to press the button = first person to get the attack registered.
Remember that attack animations come after the attack is registered with the server, and this explains why you stop attacking when someone does their finishing blow before your shot.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:39 am
by NuclearSilo
Whoever sends the action to the server first attack first.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:44 am
by Juey
Aby wrote:First person to press the button = first person to get the attack registered.
Remember that attack animations come after the attack is registered with the server, and this explains why you stop attacking when someone does their finishing blow before your shot.
This isnt FPS, u dont start atk the momment u press the button. in the scenario I mentioned both of those 2 rogues had to close the distance first after they pressed their atk button, they were 15 meters apart so after the key are pressed they automatically moves closer to each other, then the atk itself will be carried out once the distance is right, which by normal logic should be exactly the same time.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:50 am
by Hitman144
Juey wrote:Lag and connection speed??
What about Hit ratio, which I've always thought helps hit faster.
In other games, the higher your Dexterity is the faster u will hit, so against low dex people u will get the first hit in.
not hit ratio , the more parry ratio u have the faster u move and attk ( i have some proofs here (words marked out are useless words ) um.. my opinion is that the person that has more parry ratio will attk faster than then the one who doesn't - pretend they both have the best connection speed and computer ) 1 is the effect , that lowers parry ratio - other one is what parry ratio does to u

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:55 am
by Azn_Pride
i would say that the rouge that wins would be the one with better stats on their stuff for defense and the one that hits more crits

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:08 am
by Aby
Juey wrote:Aby wrote:First person to press the button = first person to get the attack registered.
Remember that attack animations come after the attack is registered with the server, and this explains why you stop attacking when someone does their finishing blow before your shot.
This isnt FPS, u dont start atk the momment u press the button. in the scenario I mentioned both of those 2 rogues had to close the distance first after they pressed their atk button, they were 15 meters apart so after the key are pressed they automatically moves closer to each other, then the atk itself will be carried out once the distance is right, which by normal logic should be exactly the same time.
Obviously SRO isn't a FPS. The server's first reaction when an attack is registered is to get into range. If you're already within range, it goes ahead and attacks. Why did you think that happened?
Jeez, I thought it was common sense.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:48 am
by MyraSchr
your network latency will determine who can issue the command to attack the fastest.
if you are str build, the critical rate is the key to kill.
if you are int build, the first hit is the key to kill.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:58 am
by jabbers
parry determines how much damage you recieve out of the range of damage that is inflict on you. hit ratio is similar but for your attack, it picks the final damage you will do out of the possible range you can do and thats all it does. as for who hit first , I dont know im not a scientist
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:22 am
by nphillip
the faster one.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:22 am
by BalkanFanaticS
PB_and_J wrote:Those with the faster comp/conection.
yup its all about that .
if u wanna be a REAL master in pvp , u should move to korea

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:26 am
by Itonami
whoever presses the skill hotkey first? >.>